Damn it…I had my eyes on a nice sig too!
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Funeral Director speaks out:
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-funeral-director-speaks[/quote]
If I was the Martin Family I would be pissed for this guy doing this. PISSED.
Not sure how his statements will help the family.[/quote]
I guess the idea is that Trayvon’s hands should show signs of having punched someone. [/quote]
I asked my wife about this and his hands should absolutely show some signs under specialized photography.
They may or may not show signs to the naked eye, however, because: (1) bruising needs a beating heart to pump blood and cause the bruise and he died promptly; (2) he’s a male and has less fat; and (3) the darker the skin, the less visible.
This is a link I found:
Medico-Legal Significance of Bruise [/quote]
…and 9 out of 10 times when you cut your knuckles in a fight it’s because you hit teeth, which evidently didn’t happen.
Did your wife mention potential injury on the palm of a hand grabbing a head and throwing it at the ground?[/quote]
No, I asked about bruising on the knuckles. She told me to stop fucking around on the computer so I can come home at a reasonable time.[/quote]
Haha
Regarding the significance of “who threw the first punch”, here is some food for thought:
It’s interesting to see people making claims on which behavior “isn’t weird” or even suggestions of what was said, but that always makes me wonder, “What if Trayvon and/or Zimmerman were weirdos”. By making these assumptions, one is only acting as a character witness, like that guy Joe Oliver (who isn’t helping Zimmerman’s camp by any means).
Nonetheless, abovementioned article is a good write up of what we can decipher from the undisputed facts.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind going back to the Wild West mentality.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]Peter Pigsticker wrote:
I would just like to thank this fucking wanna-be superhero for the “Trayvon Martin Bill” that will surely be introduced forthwith and with intention of destroying all rights to self defense. This asshat could have easily called the cops and gone the other direction, but no - he just had to save the day. People like this are the real threat to gun rights in this country.[/quote]
I agree[/quote]
Trust me. The fear of this leading to another “Evil Gun” owner bill sends chills down my spine.
Dumb ass couldnt just buy a Iphone and just Video Martin.
[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:
Regarding the significance of “who threw the first punch”, here is some food for thought:
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Yeah but he’s just a judge, what does he know about the law? Better get HG’s take on it.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:
Regarding the significance of “who threw the first punch”, here is some food for thought:
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Yeah but he’s just a judge, what does he know about the law? Better get HG’s take on it.[/quote]
Well, maybe HG just needed to hear it from good ole Jeb Bush first:
(seeing as Zimmerman hasn’t yet been formally charged, his protection is under stand your ground)
[quote]four60 wrote:
I’ll throw my THEORY into the fold. But if I had to guess It seems like:
Zimmerman was on his way to the story in his car and seen Martin coming back from the store (but zim does not know this).
Zimmerman starts to follow martin calls 911 and at some point leaves his car (its still up in the air if he calls 911 from his car or on foot).
Martin sees Zimmerman following him. Stops walks back to see who this guy is gets scared/freaks out or whatever and starts to run.
Zimmerman still on the phone with 911 feels he has the right idea about Martin starts off after him. They meet, struggle, zimmerman now knows he is in a bad spot because the fight is more than he can take (meaning he feels he may die or be really hurt) and shoots martin.
Why do I feel Zimmerman had the courage to follow Martin.
1-he knows he has a gun
2-he feels justice is on his side because he thinks Martin is a crimminal (he states it in the 911)
3-He KNOWS the cops are coming to back him up.
All of the above could be off. But its what I see from everything said so far.[/quote]
I really agree with this. This is probably what happened. Nothing in this theory is really outrageous or unbelievable.
I’m not saying Martin was right or wrong, but I don’t think I would ever start a street brawl with another guy because he started questioning me, especially if I don’t have a weapon. Call me a pussy but it’s not worth my life or his to create drama in this way.
Chances are that someone that aggressive is going to have a knife/ice pick at a minimum (true for Zim). What good could possibly come out of it? Answer the questions, tell him to mind his business, and just walk away. If he hits you, then fight back. Imagine this:
Zim: Why the fuck are you here?
Martin: My father’s fiance lives in this area. I’m just visiting.
Zim: I don’t believe you, kid.
Martin: She lives on XYZ street and I’m heading there now, back from the store.
If Martin had totally kept his cool, then there is no way he’d be dead right now. I AM NOT saying that he should be dead because he lost his cool. But shit man … sometimes smiling and walking away makes aggressors feel like idiots, especially when you are the better man (and he knows it). Martin would be the unsung hero and this story wouldn’t even be on the news at all.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
If Martin had totally kept his cool, then there is no way he’d be dead right now. I AM NOT saying that he should be dead because he lost his cool. But shit man … sometimes smiling and walking away makes aggressors feel like idiots, especially when you are the better man (and he knows it). Martin would be the unsung hero and this story wouldn’t even be on the news at all.[/quote]
?? Once again, this assumes Trayvon didn’t know about the gun by that point. No one is “keeping their cool” with a gun in front of them especially when the guy holding it was chasing you down a dark street for no reason.
It is a strange act to go from calmly talking to your girl on the phone to fighting for your life…and the one thing that can make you do that is the idea that someone is about to KILL you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
If Martin had totally kept his cool, then there is no way he’d be dead right now. I AM NOT saying that he should be dead because he lost his cool. But shit man … sometimes smiling and walking away makes aggressors feel like idiots, especially when you are the better man (and he knows it). Martin would be the unsung hero and this story wouldn’t even be on the news at all.[/quote]
?? Once again, this assumes Trayvon didn’t know about the gun by that point. No one is “keeping their cool” with a gun in front of them especially when the guy holding it was chasing you down a dark street for no reason.
It is a strange act to go from calmly talking to your girl on the phone to fighting for your life…and the one thing that can make you do that is the idea that someone is about to KILL you.[/quote]
Or you’re a punk with a tough guy chip. Not uncommon at all.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
If Martin had totally kept his cool, then there is no way he’d be dead right now. I AM NOT saying that he should be dead because he lost his cool. But shit man … sometimes smiling and walking away makes aggressors feel like idiots, especially when you are the better man (and he knows it). Martin would be the unsung hero and this story wouldn’t even be on the news at all.[/quote]
?? Once again, this assumes Trayvon didn’t know about the gun by that point. No one is “keeping their cool” with a gun in front of them especially when the guy holding it was chasing you down a dark street for no reason.
It is a strange act to go from calmly talking to your girl on the phone to fighting for your life…and the one thing that can make you do that is the idea that someone is about to KILL you.[/quote]
Ya I don’t think you can blame Martin for his death in any way right now, especially with how little we know. If someone is chasing you at night with a gun you don’t just smile and turn the other cheek like you learned in bible study.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
[quote]Peter Pigsticker wrote:
I would just like to thank this fucking wanna-be superhero for the “Trayvon Martin Bill” that will surely be introduced forthwith and with intention of destroying all rights to self defense. This asshat could have easily called the cops and gone the other direction, but no - he just had to save the day. People like this are the real threat to gun rights in this country.[/quote]
I agree[/quote]
Trust me. The fear of this leading to another “Evil Gun” owner bill sends chills down my spine.
Dumb ass couldnt just buy a Iphone and just Video Martin. [/quote]
Of all places, a Texas legislator is trying to use the as of yet unresolved case to repeal our Stand Your Ground law. He’s getting resistance though.
Link later if necessary, on a phone. The KHOU 11 news channel reported it on their website.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
I’ll throw my THEORY into the fold. But if I had to guess It seems like:
Zimmerman was on his way to the story in his car and seen Martin coming back from the store (but zim does not know this).
Zimmerman starts to follow martin calls 911 and at some point leaves his car (its still up in the air if he calls 911 from his car or on foot).
Martin sees Zimmerman following him. Stops walks back to see who this guy is gets scared/freaks out or whatever and starts to run.
Zimmerman still on the phone with 911 feels he has the right idea about Martin starts off after him. They meet, struggle, zimmerman now knows he is in a bad spot because the fight is more than he can take (meaning he feels he may die or be really hurt) and shoots martin.
Why do I feel Zimmerman had the courage to follow Martin.
1-he knows he has a gun
2-he feels justice is on his side because he thinks Martin is a crimminal (he states it in the 911)
3-He KNOWS the cops are coming to back him up.
All of the above could be off. But its what I see from everything said so far.[/quote]
I really agree with this. This is probably what happened. Nothing in this theory is really outrageous or unbelievable.
I’m not saying Martin was right or wrong, but I don’t think I would ever start a street brawl with another guy because he started questioning me, especially if I don’t have a weapon. Call me a pussy but it’s not worth my life or his to create drama in this way.
Chances are that someone that aggressive is going to have a knife/ice pick at a minimum (true for Zim). What good could possibly come out of it? Answer the questions, tell him to mind his business, and just walk away. If he hits you, then fight back. Imagine this:
Zim: Why the fuck are you here?
Martin: My father’s fiance lives in this area. I’m just visiting.
Zim: I don’t believe you, kid.
Martin: She lives on XYZ street and I’m heading there now, back from the store.
If Martin had totally kept his cool, then there is no way he’d be dead right now. I AM NOT saying that he should be dead because he lost his cool. But shit man … sometimes smiling and walking away makes aggressors feel like idiots, especially when you are the better man (and he knows it). Martin would be the unsung hero and this story wouldn’t even be on the news at all.[/quote]
Man, I wish it went down like that.
To be honest I’m still trying to wrap my head around how does someone go from running away to a conversation?
The whole running away part went down on the 911 call.
I wonder what will show up on the girlfriends phone call…if anything at all I don’t hear much about it anymore.
I’m still wondering where the severe wound on the back of Zimm’s head is.
I mean it’s been reported that he had his head bashed repeatedly into the concrete.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
I’ll throw my THEORY into the fold. But if I had to guess It seems like:
Zimmerman was on his way to the story in his car and seen Martin coming back from the store (but zim does not know this).
Zimmerman starts to follow martin calls 911 and at some point leaves his car (its still up in the air if he calls 911 from his car or on foot).
Martin sees Zimmerman following him. Stops walks back to see who this guy is gets scared/freaks out or whatever and starts to run.
Zimmerman still on the phone with 911 feels he has the right idea about Martin starts off after him. They meet, struggle, zimmerman now knows he is in a bad spot because the fight is more than he can take (meaning he feels he may die or be really hurt) and shoots martin.
Why do I feel Zimmerman had the courage to follow Martin.
1-he knows he has a gun
2-he feels justice is on his side because he thinks Martin is a crimminal (he states it in the 911)
3-He KNOWS the cops are coming to back him up.
All of the above could be off. But its what I see from everything said so far.[/quote]
I really agree with this. This is probably what happened. Nothing in this theory is really outrageous or unbelievable.
I’m not saying Martin was right or wrong, but I don’t think I would ever start a street brawl with another guy because he started questioning me, especially if I don’t have a weapon. Call me a pussy but it’s not worth my life or his to create drama in this way.
Chances are that someone that aggressive is going to have a knife/ice pick at a minimum (true for Zim). What good could possibly come out of it? Answer the questions, tell him to mind his business, and just walk away. If he hits you, then fight back. Imagine this:
Zim: Why the fuck are you here?
Martin: My father’s fiance lives in this area. I’m just visiting.
Zim: I don’t believe you, kid.
Martin: She lives on XYZ street and I’m heading there now, back from the store.
If Martin had totally kept his cool, then there is no way he’d be dead right now. I AM NOT saying that he should be dead because he lost his cool. But shit man … sometimes smiling and walking away makes aggressors feel like idiots, especially when you are the better man (and he knows it). Martin would be the unsung hero and this story wouldn’t even be on the news at all.[/quote]
Man, I wish it went down like that.
To be honest I’m still trying to wrap my head around how does someone go from running away to a conversation?
The whole running away part went down on the 911 call.
I wonder what will show up on the girlfriends phone call…if anything at all I don’t hear much about it anymore.
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I believe Tray initially ran, then lost Zimm, but Zimm took a different route and caught up to and cornered Tray. Is that what you mean?
If someone confronts me in the middle of the night brandishing their weapon, and I am in range to physically disable him, you bet your damn ass I am not going to wait around to find out what his intentions are.
[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]BE RELENTLESS wrote:
Regarding the significance of “who threw the first punch”, here is some food for thought:
[/quote]
Yeah but he’s just a judge, what does he know about the law? Better get HG’s take on it.[/quote]
Well, maybe HG just needed to hear it from good ole Jeb Bush first:
(seeing as Zimmerman hasn’t yet been formally charged, his protection is under stand your ground)
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As mentioned and linked, self defense law encompasses more than stand your ground. Read the threads and keep context.
[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
If someone confronts me in the middle of the night brandishing their weapon, and I am in range to physically disable him, you bet your damn ass I am not going to wait around to find out what his intentions are. [/quote]
…nor will I smile and simply turn my back on the ARMED INDIVIDUAL and laugh it off as if bullets don’t hurt.
And isn’t it standard procedure… Police 101… to photograph a suspect or victim with injuries sustained in a violent crime once picked up? Why wasn’t Zimm photographed once picked up?
[quote]Hellfrost wrote:
If someone confronts me in the middle of the night brandishing their weapon, and I am in range to physically disable him, you bet your damn ass I am not going to wait around to find out what his intentions are. [/quote]
Do people honestly believe the dude was running through the neighborhood waving a gun like a fucking action movie hero?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
And isn’t it standard procedure… Police 101… to photograph a suspect or victim with injuries sustained in a violent crime once picked up? Why wasn’t Zimm photographed once picked up?[/quote]
Who says he wasn’t?
It certainly isn’t standard procedure to dump evidence all over blogs and news outlets.