[quote]MikeyKBiatch wrote:
Im not sure if it is the same in every state, but did the officer arresting gates not feel threatened when he was being screamed at?[/quote]
Nothing quite so scary as angry grandpa.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
MikeyKBiatch wrote:
Im not sure if it is the same in every state, but did the officer arresting gates not feel threatened when he was being screamed at?
Nothing quite so scary as angry grandpa.
I’ve seen a man of similar appearance take on a whole room of mental health orderlies with quite a bit of success, so save your sarcasm for those who are stupid enough to judge threat levels solely on an actor’s appearance. [/quote]
lol
Chill, just have a joke, like.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Nothing quite so scary as angry grandpa.
I’ve seen a man of similar appearance take on a whole room of mental health orderlies with quite a bit of success, so save your sarcasm for those who are stupid enough to judge threat levels solely on an actor’s appearance.
lol
Chill, just have a joke, like.
What you mean? That WAS a joke, like. LOL![/quote]
[quote]Chushin wrote:
valiance. wrote:
Yes, Gates should have been polite and deferential and restrained his anger at being confronted like a criminal in his own home, but he shouldn’t have been arrested, no matter how rude he was being.
Not saying I disagree with you necessarily, but how would you REALISTICALLY have men (& women) who routinely put up with unimaginable stress, threats to their lives, and easily-escalated violent criminals react to comments like “Your momma…” or (say) “Fuck off pig?”
In many situations, making it absolutely clear who is in control is what keeps things from turning to shit for these police officers. Would you have them turn that whole emotional survival “set” off at will? Maybe in some ideal world…
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I want them to suck it up. Verbal threats are not an inducement to violence or arrest, certainly not when they come from an old man with a cane. Crowley should have left once he realized it was Gates’ house. Period.
More generally I think too often the police put the responsibility for shooting or tazing or beating someone on the victim himself. How can you serve and protect if you’re ready to go off at the slightest provocation? A state where you can’t criticize a police officer to his face is not a state I want to live in. I never want to exercise my right to verbally abuse a police officer and I would never do something so rude and stupid, but I certainly have that right.
[quote]valiance. wrote:
Chushin wrote:
valiance. wrote:
Yes, Gates should have been polite and deferential and restrained his anger at being confronted like a criminal in his own home, but he shouldn’t have been arrested, no matter how rude he was being.
Not saying I disagree with you necessarily, but how would you REALISTICALLY have men (& women) who routinely put up with unimaginable stress, threats to their lives, and easily-escalated violent criminals react to comments like “Your momma…” or (say) “Fuck off pig?”
In many situations, making it absolutely clear who is in control is what keeps things from turning to shit for these police officers. Would you have them turn that whole emotional survival “set” off at will? Maybe in some ideal world…
I want them to suck it up. Verbal threats are not an inducement to violence or arrest, certainly not when they come from an old man with a cane. Crowley should have left once he realized it was Gates’ house. Period.
More generally I think too often the police put the responsibility for shooting or tazing or beating someone on the victim himself. How can you serve and protect if you’re ready to go off at the slightest provocation? A state where you can’t criticize a police officer to his face is not a state I want to live in. I never want to exercise my right to verbally abuse a police officer and I would never do something so rude and stupid, but I certainly have that right. [/quote]
That’s difference between people, some will push that right while others won’t. Personally I would have taken the high road as I believe it to be the best way to handle things. I like the “kill them with kindness” attitude. If you pop off, then that’s you and your display on how you handle things. Just like Gates did, he could have chosen to behave nicer but he didn’t. We all get angry at stupid things, (traffic, long lines, shitty drivers, etc) but we have to deal with it.
Anyone else see this pic at the Beer Summit? Here you have your president being presidential, while Crowley is seen here… “acting stupidly.”
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Anyone else see this pic at the Beer Summit? Here you have your president being presidential, while Crowley is seen here… “acting stupidly.”[/quote]
Nice find. Just another example of how threatening Gates appears, huh Chushin?
I swear, they start moving in and there goes the neighborhood. Harvards professors, that is.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
MikeyKBiatch wrote:
Im not sure if it is the same in every state, but did the officer arresting gates not feel threatened when he was being screamed at?
Nothing quite so scary as angry grandpa. [/quote]
Wasn’t Josef Fritzl a grandpa?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Anyone else see this pic at the Beer Summit? Here you have your president being presidential, while Crowley is seen here… “acting stupidly.”
Nice find. Just another example of how threatening Gates appears, huh Chushin? ;-)[/quote]
You missed my point, I was actually referring to how the “racist” cop was helping the “racist” professor, while the “racist” president did nothing.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
we should be free to yell and scream at any government authority figure without risk of arrest, we pay their salary, we are the boss.
We are their boss, and we do pay their salary, but everything else in that statement is fucking stupid.
That’s how Obama got elected.
A cop risks his life protecting the city and this prof’s house. He establishes the prof’s identity and is leaving. The prof then starts screaming at the cop about how the cop is a racist.
If any of us had followed a cop out of our house under similar circumstances, all the while screaming at him, we’d be arrested – as well we should.
Obama weighing in and calling the cop stupid shows how paranoid some black men are (can we say ‘Professor X’?) Arresting someone for committing a crime is ‘racist’. Looking at a black guy is ‘racist’. Asking a black man for his ID is ‘racist’. Arresting a black man who is screaming at you so loud that you can’t even talk on your radio with another cop is ‘racist’.
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What’s wrong with asking the officer to identify himself?
There have been incidents (albeit few) where people impersonated police officers.
I’ve never talked to a police officer without seeing his badge and name quite clearly. It is on constant display.
He had already shown identification, unless Mr Gates claims to be vision-impaired.
(What, does anyone think that while pulling a badge from your pocket is a valid means of identifying yourself that should be accepted, having it already on the chest is not?)
I am wise enough to know, that it’s pretty much never a good thing to talk shit to a cop, even if it is within your rights. It just never solves anything.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I am wise enough to know, that it’s pretty much never a good thing to talk shit to a cop, even if it is within your rights. It just never solves anything.[/quote]
Black people have known that since before the days they were getting the shit beat out of them on Plantations…
I think my boy Gates has been hanging around too many White People at Harvard.
Mufasa
I think your boy Gates thought his status as a Harvard professor would grant him some kind of immunity from the law, and when Crowley didn’t bow to his holiness, Gates went apeshit. What people have to realize, is that the law could care less who you are, because it’s all within the law. That idea of “I am so-and-so” and you won’t treat me like regular people, is a bunch of horseshit.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think your boy Gates thought his status as a Harvard professor would grant him some kind of immunity from the law, and when Crowley didn’t bow to his holiness, Gates went apeshit. What people have to realize, is that the law could care less who you are, because it’s all within the law. That idea of “I am so-and-so” and you won’t treat me like regular people, is a bunch of horseshit. [/quote]
And besides hes a racial studies professor. A kind of bullshit Professorship if you ask me. Good way for the school to fill it’s racial quota. His classes must be filled with all kinds of personal bias. A racial studies Professor sounds like something you can get a degree in from Life experience.