Headhunter is either a trolling cock bag or a total nut. In either case this whole topic is a waste of time.
As a “teacher” you should know better HH, the man in question represents the pinnacle of your profession in every sense of the word. Get a life you bum.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
They do not hold you to a higher standard.
I do.
Keep your arrogant Austrian nose out of American law enforcement issues.
We’ll decide our own standards.
Case closed.
But I guess “self-determination” is only cool when it suits you.[/quote]
Self determination is way cool, once you finance it yourself.
Or are you insinuating that visitors to your country have no right to be protected by your cops?
Interesting!
Well, we better stay at home then ,if we don’t want to be second class human beings, don’t we?
Better do not build businesses or spend money in America, eh?
Any Americans here who would like to open a franchise where the rule of law is actually respected ?
For 1% of the first five years sales I can help you establish your business in a country with a 25% corporate flat tax and cops with no attitude.
Our strike quota is measured in seconds per year!
We will find a way!
Obama wanted blacks and whites to come together, see the clip at this blog:
[i]Must see: Cambridge cop says she won’t vote for Obama again after Gatesgate
An amazing clip via Verum Serum. God only knows how much heat she and Sgt. Lashley will take from the â??authenticityâ?? police for this; Crowleyâ??s a spectacularly lucky guy to have friends like them. In fact, Iâ??m thinking that beer date at the White House to discuss â??toleranceâ?? might not be such a bad idea if Crowley gets to bring Kelly King along. Skip Gates and The One might just learn something.
If youâ??re looking for postracial America, you’ve found it.[/i]
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Obama wanted blacks and whites to come together, see the clip at this blog:
[i]Must see: Cambridge cop says she won’t vote for Obama again after Gatesgate
An amazing clip via Verum Serum. God only knows how much heat she and Sgt. Lashley will take from the â??authenticityâ?? police for this; Crowleyâ??s a spectacularly lucky guy to have friends like them. In fact, Iâ??m thinking that beer date at the White House to discuss â??toleranceâ?? might not be such a bad idea if Crowley gets to bring Kelly King along. Skip Gates and The One might just learn something.
If youâ??re looking for postracial America, you’ve found it.[/i]
That is beautiful. People moved by principle instead of the damn color of somebody’s skin. What scrumptious irony.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
It seems that the 911 tapes are going to be released.[/quote]
For those who haven’t heard the tapes, here is a transcript:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1187406
I have listened to them and they were not as enlightening as I had hoped.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
They do not hold you to a higher standard.
I do.
Keep your arrogant Austrian nose out of American law enforcement issues.
We’ll decide our own standards.
Case closed.
But I guess “self-determination” is only cool when it suits you.
Self determination is way cool, once you finance it yourself.
Or are you insinuating that visitors to your country have no right to be protected by your cops?
Interesting!
Well, we better stay at home then ,if we don’t want to be second class human beings, don’t we?
Better do not build businesses or spend money in America, eh?
Any Americans here who would like to open a franchise where the rule of law is actually respected ?
For 1% of the first five years sales I can help you establish your business in a country with a 25% corporate flat tax and cops with no attitude.
Our strike quota is measured in seconds per year!
We will find a way!
Honest to God, you’re an idiot whose logic has more convolutions than a freeze-dried human brain.
That is such an absurd argument that I don’t even know where to start.
But, yes, PLEASE stay out of my country, if you think you have the right to dictate its standards.
Oh, I forgot…
You’ve never been in the US anyway; you learned all about it on the internet.
“Orion the Great” : Expert in all things American (but really, really, really expert on the Civil War, American Indians, and US Law Enforcement*)
*Hey, he knows some Austrian cops and judges!!!
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I guess that means no!
Oh well, maybe the Chinese will welcome European money.
Or the Indians.
Or the Brazilians.
Or the Russians.
Oh my.
Orion, I am from Italy originally, and while I like the country, Europe as a whole has it’s problems too. No one place in the world is perfect, otherwise people would be clawing to get in. Be a man and acknowledge your flaws while we do the same. Having seen both Europe and the US, the US is without a doubt the best place to live. Given the problems here, it still kicks ass and would not trade it for anything. Go have some Schnaps and chill out.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Interesting libertarian perspective on the conversation we should be having. Note, it’s not about race:
The Henry Louis Gates "Teaching Moment" [/quote]
Some very good points. I admit I’m a little torn here. you can easily show the cops your ID and say it’s my house. Let’s say I climb in my side window while the cops drive by or someone calls the cops because I did that.
They knock on the door, I answer. I give them my ID showing them I live here and tell them my story. they let me alone and I thank them for their concern. We all go on our merry ways.
It was easy for gates to not cause a commotion here. His it’s because I’m black caused the problem. Police need to respond to a threat or call such as this. They don’t know what is going on when they get to a scene like this. Armed robbery? Guy couldn’t get the door open?
Gates could have kept his cool and this would have been a non issue. I don’t know the stats but I’m sure a black male has a lot more to fear from a black male than a white or black cop.
[quote]orion wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Your reply to the post in question and your follow replies all ignore what he actually said.
To repeat, he made extremely clear that he was referring to cases where:
There was probable cause for arrest in the first place. (Doesn’t mean the officer HAS to do so, but the case is such that choosing to arrest is completely legitimate.)
After this being the case already, the person says he is going to file a personnel complaint.
You then immediately claimed that this meant things it does not.
Really, go back and read that post, with especial note of the parts I put in bold print, and then see your reply. You really did ignore what he said, completely, and the reply did not follow at all.
I guess we have to agree to disagree which, in this case, is not a cheap copout, because I consider Demo Dick to be the final arbiter of the meaning of Demo Dicks posts.
So, he actually could clear that up.[/quote]
Bill has it right, you do not.
Demo Dick
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Interesting libertarian perspective on the conversation we should be having. Note, it’s not about race:
Some very good points. I admit I’m a little torn here. you can easily show the cops your ID and say it’s my house. Let’s say I climb in my side window while the cops drive by or someone calls the cops because I did that.
They knock on the door, I answer. I give them my ID showing them I live here and tell them my story. they let me alone and I thank them for their concern. We all go on our merry ways.
It was easy for gates to not cause a commotion here. His it’s because I’m black caused the problem. Police need to respond to a threat or call such as this. They don’t know what is going on when they get to a scene like this. Armed robbery? Guy couldn’t get the door open?
Gates could have kept his cool and this would have been a non issue. I don’t know the stats but I’m sure a black male has a lot more to fear from a black male than a white or black cop.
[/quote]
It would have been a much different conversation between Gates and Crowley if Gates didn’t throw down the race card. But it was Gates’ reaction that turned this non-event into such a “profound teaching moment”. Though I think the lessons are different from what Gates expected.
instead of going to the white house,incidentally, who is paying for this trip??
Instead of going to the white house, Gates should be made to go out for drinks with Plaxico Burress
I call him cry baby
He’s suing for mental anguish and emotional distress
[quote]comus3 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/04/suspended_boston_police_officer_barrett_sues_commissioner_mayor/
I call him cry baby
He’s suing for mental anguish and emotional distress[/quote]
Have to play the game by the rules, don’t you know. I would. They can shoot their mouth off and dangle you out there to be some sacrificial lamb. Very seldom do you see or get an apology. so do what we do in America, sue.
not because you’re a pussy, but because you are causing aggravation to your tormentors. It’s not like they could duel or get in a boxing ring to settle their differences like men. so settle them like lawyers, haha!
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
instead of going to the white house,incidentally, who is paying for this trip??
Instead of going to the white house, Gates should be made to go out for drinks with Plaxico Burress[/quote]
Maybe gates should have to have drinks with the Crips or Bloods in a bad neighborhood with lots of cash on him. I mean, the cops are the problem not the criminals, so let him have some forties with the homeboys.
The reason.com link nails the main issue here: Gates shouldn’t have been arrested at all. Being rude to a cop is not grounds for arrest. Even if it’s legally allowable, it was a stupid decision. Yes, Gates should have been polite and deferential and restrained his anger at being confronted like a criminal in his own home, but he shouldn’t have been arrested, no matter how rude he was being.
Did race play a part in Gates arresting Crowley? Yes, but probably not on Crowley’s end. Gates’ misperception of racial profiling lead to his anger which led to Crowley arresting him. Crowley certainly gives no indication of being a racist–quite the opposite in fact. But as Barrett and Gates prove, race is always just under the surface when Black people and cops interact.
I honestly can’t blame Gates too much for overreacting; yes he was wrong, but given the way Black people are treated by cops in this country I can see why he was on a hair trigger. What if he’d gotten Barrett instead of Crowley?
[quote]valiance. wrote:
The reason.com link nails the main issue here: Gates shouldn’t have been arrested at all. Being rude to a cop is not grounds for arrest. Even if it’s legally allowable, it was a stupid decision. Yes, Gates should have been polite and deferential and restrained his anger at being confronted like a criminal in his own home, but he shouldn’t have been arrested, no matter how rude he was being.
Did race play a part in Gates arresting Crowley? Yes, but probably not on Crowley’s end. Gates’ misperception of racial profiling lead to his anger which led to Crowley arresting him. Crowley certainly gives no indication of being a racist–quite the opposite in fact. But as Barrett and Gates prove, race is always just under the surface when Black people and cops interact.
I honestly can’t blame Gates too much for overreacting; yes he was wrong, but given the way Black people are treated by cops in this country I can see why he was on a hair trigger. What if he’d gotten Barrett instead of Crowley?[/quote]
If you go looking for trouble, don’t be surprised if you find it. If you want to pop off to a cop thinking nothing will happen because it is not illegal, don’t be shocked if he does things to make your life hard, like detaining you for disturbing the peace. Oh but we can’t talk about that, because Gates is a black Harvard professor who is above that because of the way Black people have been treated by police? Like Gates said on the day of the incident…“Don’t you know who I am?”
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
valiance. wrote:
The reason.com link nails the main issue here: Gates shouldn’t have been arrested at all. Being rude to a cop is not grounds for arrest. Even if it’s legally allowable, it was a stupid decision. Yes, Gates should have been polite and deferential and restrained his anger at being confronted like a criminal in his own home, but he shouldn’t have been arrested, no matter how rude he was being.
Did race play a part in Gates arresting Crowley? Yes, but probably not on Crowley’s end. Gates’ misperception of racial profiling lead to his anger which led to Crowley arresting him. Crowley certainly gives no indication of being a racist–quite the opposite in fact. But as Barrett and Gates prove, race is always just under the surface when Black people and cops interact.
I honestly can’t blame Gates too much for overreacting; yes he was wrong, but given the way Black people are treated by cops in this country I can see why he was on a hair trigger. What if he’d gotten Barrett instead of Crowley?
If you go looking for trouble, don’t be surprised if you find it. If you want to pop off to a cop thinking nothing will happen because it is not illegal, don’t be shocked if he does things to make your life hard, like detaining you for disturbing the peace. Oh but we can’t talk about that, because Gates is a black Harvard professor who is above that because of the way Black people have been treated by police? Like Gates said on the day of the incident…“Don’t you know who I am?” [/quote]
But is that the way it should be? I agree with your sentiment about not being surprised, but really that type of behavior from our cops shouldn’t be tolerated. Upsetting a cop is not a crime, and the guise of “disturbing the peace” is used to justify the arrest of people that simply air their grievances with cops. The cop was unsympathetic, perhaps and ass, but he was not a racist.
Maybe someone with more experience with law can chime in on this, but I dont see why gates being arrested was such a big deal. Isnt failure to obey a police officer a crime? The cop asked him a bunch of times to stop yelling and gates didnt… so gates did not obey the officer… I dont see the big issue here. If I get pulled over and asked to step out of my car and I don’t would the consequences not be me getting arrested?
Also from google:
Sec. 53a-167a. Interfering with an officer: Class A misdemeanor. (a) A person is guilty of interfering with an officer when such person obstructs, resists, hinders or endangers any peace officer, special policeman appointed under section 29-18b or firefighter in the performance of such peace officer’s, special policeman’s or firefighter’s duties.
Im not sure if it is the same in every state, but did the officer arresting gates not feel threatened when he was being screamed at?