Black Harvard Prof Arrested

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]orion wrote:
Bill Maher: Crowley said Gates was “threatening” - by which he meant he was an educated black man.

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So you are relying on Bill Maher to interpret what Crowley meant by the word “threatening”?

After reading the police report, I’m thinking that the utterance of the phrase “I’ll speak with yo mama outside”, even if done by an “educated black man” is the equivalent of “I’m going to kick your ass”, which under the circumstances could certainly be interpreted as threatening.

According to the WSJ, Gates said, “I have pledged to do all that I can to help us learn from this unfortunate incident. This could and should be a profound teaching moment in the history of race relations in America”.

So that fact that this unfortunate incident occurred is a good thing, because it furthers our conversations about race. I’m thinking, however, that what he means by “teaching moment” is that he intends to teach white folks something about race relations.

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I would really love to hear the 911 tapes on this, it would help to clear up what is truth, what is speculation, and what is pure fiction.

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A 1996 speech by Gates. He fits in with Wright, Obama, et al very well.

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Does anyone here know what can happen to an Officer if he finds himself in this situation, with a disorderly, abusive suspect accusing them of racial bias, and they DON’T make an arrest when one is perfectly legal and warranted?

I’ll tell you. The Officer gets hauled into IAB when the suspect lodges a complaint. Now, not only does the Officer have to defend his actions, he also has to explain why, when he had the opportunity to make a lawful arrest and mitigate the claim of racial bias, or at least call the suspect’s motivation for the complaint into question, he instead chose to cut the suspect a break, which implies the possibility that he knew he WAS engaging in racial profiling to begin with and knew he had no legal standing to make an arrest.

Demo Dick

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I would really love to hear the 911 tapes on this, it would help to clear up what is truth, what is speculation, and what is pure fiction. [/quote]

I would bet that he was mouthing off to the cop before he even showed his id. He probably deserved more than he got.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Prof X and several other black men and I have had this discussion. According to X, highly educated black men can see racism everywhere. I call that simple paranoia.
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Could the melatonin levels of so many violent criminals have to do something with all of their problems that they have with police? I don’t see Asian people complaining about white racist cops that much and last time I checked they aren’t white…

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First America caused World War II, and now, anal probes.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
He was crying about being pre-judged but he did essentially that to the cop by assuming that he was racist instead of doing his job. Obama doesn’t know shit about law enforcement and should have kept his big mouth shut.

Everyone thinks that they are qualified to be a cop, when in fact, unless they have the proper training, they have about as much of business as being a cop than they would a skilled professional without the proper training.

Prof X and several other black men and I have had this discussion. According to X, highly educated black men can see racism everywhere. I call that simple paranoia.

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I’ve ren into that before too. For many people this becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. They consistently find and find evidence of what they’re looking for the most.

Also Education does NOT make someone wise or enlightened. Education is about learning and pursuing a field but it has nothing to do with a person becoming enlightened or rising in the spiritual sense. You can be Educated and be stupid. You can be an Educated fool, like our Harvard professor.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Also, this board has things to offer most European boards do not.

Fucking hell has just frozen over.

Mr. Europe Rules admits the US can do something better than his beloved Europeans…[/quote]
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[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Also, this board has things to offer most European boards do not.

Fucking hell has just frozen over.

Mr. Europe Rules admits the US can do something better than his beloved Europeans…[/quote]

No.

Biotest can do a few things better than some Europeans.

Which is incidentally why I buy their products.

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[quote]Demo Dick wrote:
Does anyone here know what can happen to an Officer if he finds himself in this situation, with a disorderly, abusive suspect accusing them of racial bias, and they DON’T make an arrest when one is perfectly legal and warranted?

I’ll tell you. The Officer gets hauled into IAB when the suspect lodges a complaint. Now, not only does the Officer have to defend his actions, he also has to explain why, when he had the opportunity to make a lawful arrest and mitigate the claim of racial bias, or at least call the suspect’s motivation for the complaint into question, he instead chose to cut the suspect a break, which implies the possibility that he knew he WAS engaging in racial profiling to begin with and knew he had no legal standing to make an arrest.

Demo Dick[/quote]

So the very moment were there is the slightest tension an officer needs to make an arrest whenever the other person is of a different race?

Sounds like an awesome system to me!

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
First America caused World War II, and now, anal probes.[/quote]

I an telling you, its not pretty!

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[quote]JD430 wrote:
orion wrote:
JD430 wrote:

And to Orion,

I was only speculating that the sergeant lost his temper. In fact, I don’t really think that happened now after seeing more evidence.

Please stop giving us your take on American law enforcement based on what you THINK law enforcement is in Austria or Germany(you have no real experience on the inside of the business over there do you? Correct me if that is wrong.) I suspect that all of the cops in Austria wouldn’t know how to handle just one medium-sized American city. The comparisons are absurd and totally irrelevant.

I do know cops and, more importantly a know a few judges that were involved in the civil trials when some policemen in Vienna started to regularly harass people.

They were cleared of criminal charges because they basically lied, but their story did not old any water in the civil trials later when the judges questioned them alone and a little bit more aggressive.

So yes, I know that our police forced has to deal with drunk idiots on a regular basis and I also know that such abuses as seem to be common in the US are extremely rare. Not only that, if they happen such cops are reigned in by the system.

Then, we do have cities that are comparable in size to US cities, and the rate of violent crimes is far lower than in the US so our police and justice system must be doing something right.

See, we do not recruit our police force out of veterans who have only learned how to occupy a country, we do not have laws that actually make it a rational choice to kill a police officer, we do not have discriminatory drug laws that keeps prices high and a disenfranchised community that exploits that.

Maybe our police could not handle a US city, but if they had to they, and a lot of other people, would have already failed at their job.

You can look up though what happened when terrorists attacked the airport of Vienna in the 80s.

It seems that we can deal with terrorists at a very short notice without having high school drop outs anally probe each single passenger.

My point stands.

You know a few cops and judges? I know a surgeon or two too, but I wouldn’t presume to tell them how to do their job.

Comparing the job of Austrian police to the job that a police officer has to do in the United States is insanity. The geographic size difference and density of population alone makes comparisons nonsensical. That is not even accounting for cultural, economic and historical differences.

You have no idea what I, or any other working cop has had to face over here, so stop pretending that you do. Your belief that police forces primarily recruit combat veterans and then encourage that mindset on American streets couldn’t be any more wrong. I don’t know where idea that came from.

How things got that way and how they should be rectified is a different discussion altogether. I am talking only about the reality on the ground at this present moment. [/quote]

You don’t just have any job, so I would get used to getting told how to do it.

If you do not like that, get a less sensitive job in the private industry and do whatever you want. I guarantee you that once you have switched to interior decorator I do not care what color any decorative pillow has and where you put it, but once you have a uniform, a gun and are effectively above the law, you are not only theoretically held to a higher standard but you also need to be prepared to be ACTUALLY HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD.

How is that supposed to work without telling you how NOT to do your job?

Veterans:

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/virginia-beach-set-aside-police-jobs-army-veterans

Please note that people who only have experience on the battlefield lead whole departments. I wonder how that skill set carries over into their new work.

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Fox has the 911 caller’s attorney and she is saying that the tapes will reveal that she never specified a race because she couldn’t tell.

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[quote]orion wrote:
JD430 wrote:
orion wrote:
JD430 wrote:

And to Orion,

I was only speculating that the sergeant lost his temper. In fact, I don’t really think that happened now after seeing more evidence.

Please stop giving us your take on American law enforcement based on what you THINK law enforcement is in Austria or Germany(you have no real experience on the inside of the business over there do you? Correct me if that is wrong.) I suspect that all of the cops in Austria wouldn’t know how to handle just one medium-sized American city. The comparisons are absurd and totally irrelevant.

I do know cops and, more importantly a know a few judges that were involved in the civil trials when some policemen in Vienna started to regularly harass people.

They were cleared of criminal charges because they basically lied, but their story did not old any water in the civil trials later when the judges questioned them alone and a little bit more aggressive.

So yes, I know that our police forced has to deal with drunk idiots on a regular basis and I also know that such abuses as seem to be common in the US are extremely rare. Not only that, if they happen such cops are reigned in by the system.

Then, we do have cities that are comparable in size to US cities, and the rate of violent crimes is far lower than in the US so our police and justice system must be doing something right.

See, we do not recruit our police force out of veterans who have only learned how to occupy a country, we do not have laws that actually make it a rational choice to kill a police officer, we do not have discriminatory drug laws that keeps prices high and a disenfranchised community that exploits that.

Maybe our police could not handle a US city, but if they had to they, and a lot of other people, would have already failed at their job.

You can look up though what happened when terrorists attacked the airport of Vienna in the 80s.

It seems that we can deal with terrorists at a very short notice without having high school drop outs anally probe each single passenger.

My point stands.

You know a few cops and judges? I know a surgeon or two too, but I wouldn’t presume to tell them how to do their job.

Comparing the job of Austrian police to the job that a police officer has to do in the United States is insanity. The geographic size difference and density of population alone makes comparisons nonsensical. That is not even accounting for cultural, economic and historical differences.

You have no idea what I, or any other working cop has had to face over here, so stop pretending that you do. Your belief that police forces primarily recruit combat veterans and then encourage that mindset on American streets couldn’t be any more wrong. I don’t know where idea that came from.

How things got that way and how they should be rectified is a different discussion altogether. I am talking only about the reality on the ground at this present moment.

You don’t just have any job, so I would get used to getting told how to do it.

If you do not like that, get a less sensitive job in the private industry and do whatever you want. I guarantee you that once you have switched to interior decorator I do not care what color any decorative pillow has and where you put it, but once you have a uniform, a gun and are effectively above the law, you are not only theoretically held to a higher standard but you also need to be prepared to be ACTUALLY HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD.

How is that supposed to work without telling you how NOT to do your job?

Veterans:

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/virginia-beach-set-aside-police-jobs-army-veterans

Please note that people who only have experience on the battlefield lead whole departments. I wonder how that skill set carries over into their new work.

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Wrong again. Anyone can spout off their opinion, that is true. However, credibility becomes the issue. I would at least expect a critic to have some concept of what law enforcement in the United States entails. Your posts on this subject show you have none.

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[quote]So the very moment were there is the slightest tension an officer needs to make an arrest whenever the other person is of a different race?

Sounds like an awesome system to me!

[/quote]

No, and I seriously doubt that you genuinely misunderstood what I was getting at. I don’t think you’re that dense, based on your own ability to formulate an argument. Though, I could be wrong.

The Officer needs to be aware that if he stops and detains a person for any reason, that person may file a complaint based on any number of arbitrary things (not just race), and may lie about the incident as well. Common sense.

So, when said Officer legally detains someone and they clearly indicate that a personnel complaint is on the way, AND the officer is acting in good faith and has articulable probable cause for an arrest, well, what do you think he should do? Walk away and hope that no complaint is made? To expect the Officer to hang himself in IAB by cutting someone a break when he can legally take unbiased enforcement action is just silly.

To not make an arrest or issue a citation lends credibility to a complaint that “the police detained me for NO REASON…they didn’t even write me a ticket or take me to jail, so clearly they had no legal reason to stop me in the first place.”

Demo Dick