Personally, I think the officer handled the situation well including the arrest and the subsequent attempt by fox news for an interview in his backyard.
While I agree with Tiribulus, this shit is out of hand, I think we should talk about it, mainly because our president felt it necessary to make it a national issue by bringing it up in a press conference. To be honest, when he brought up the Gates arrest I was still trying to understand his healthcare reformation explanation.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
JD430<----------This is the man to listen to in these matters.There was a better way of dealing with this from both sides.
And I do agree about Obama’s comments. I’m sure he was pressured by someone(or his own “blackness”…yea,I said it) to comment on this…which was a mistake. Of all the racial issues that happen in this country on a daily basis that are worse than this…this was not the one to comment on.
I hate when this shit happens…as usual in these matters,I’m expected to pick a side by default of skin color. Gates is a good man…he fucked up. He should admit it as well. And what a wonderful neighbor he has…lol.
As usual, a stellar post, BB.[/quote]
He is one of the guys I respect here though we disagree… a lot.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Here we have another black man with a prestigious position, friends in high places, plenty of money and generally a better life than a very large % of white people, bitching and moaning about how bad he has it because some cops were doing their job.
These professional ethnics really get under my skin. When oh when will people finally grasp that liberals thrive on everything they claim to be fighting. They cannot AFFORD to have their stated goals ever actually achieved because their very existence would become instantly pointless.[/quote]
To paraphrase Lee Kwan Yew, in multi-ethnic empires, people basically vote their race. All Gates is trying to do is carve out a portion of the trillions for his race through race hustling.
Mexicans do the same with National Council of La Raza, MALDEF, and all of their other organizations. Jews have their explicitly racial/ethnic organizations. All of these groups vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Whites tend to vote roughly 60% Republican.
The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that the Democrats blatantly support their ethnic votes. The Republicans do not. They choose to pretend, as do most whites, that everyone is just trying to be colorblind.
People like Gates are not going to go away because they command a large ethnic influence, and the political process on the Democratic side honors that ethnic influence.
I’m not sure if these figures are actually effective at improving conditions of their race - as the Moynihan report could have been written today and despite the myriads of Mexican organizations, the authors of “Generations of Exclusion” found no improvement in the socio-economic status of Mexicans living in Los Angeles during the past thirty years - but that’s how multi-ethnic empires work.
If white people, on the other hand, were to develop their own explicitly ethnic organizations, we would immediately hear about the Klan, Hitler, etc and all of the self-loathing liberal whites (the other 40%) would join the chorus.
George Soros would organize his minions to have non-stop media coverage of the new Klan, and we’d never hear the end of it. Wait a minute = that’s what we hear anyway anytime the feelings of a minority are slighted in some way by a white person. Nevermind.
You get the idea.
Democracy, immigration, multiculturalism: pick any two.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
And to Orion,
I was only speculating that the sergeant lost his temper. In fact, I don’t really think that happened now after seeing more evidence.
Please stop giving us your take on American law enforcement based on what you THINK law enforcement is in Austria or Germany(you have no real experience on the inside of the business over there do you? Correct me if that is wrong.) I suspect that all of the cops in Austria wouldn’t know how to handle just one medium-sized American city. The comparisons are absurd and totally irrelevant. [/quote]
I do know cops and, more importantly a know a few judges that were involved in the civil trials when some policemen in Vienna started to regularly harass people.
They were cleared of criminal charges because they basically lied, but their story did not old any water in the civil trials later when the judges questioned them alone and a little bit more aggressive.
So yes, I know that our police forced has to deal with drunk idiots on a regular basis and I also know that such abuses as seem to be common in the US are extremely rare. Not only that, if they happen such cops are reigned in by the system.
Then, we do have cities that are comparable in size to US cities, and the rate of violent crimes is far lower than in the US so our police and justice system must be doing something right.
See, we do not recruit our police force out of veterans who have only learned how to occupy a country, we do not have laws that actually make it a rational choice to kill a police officer, we do not have discriminatory drug laws that keeps prices high and a disenfranchised community that exploits that.
Maybe our police could not handle a US city, but if they had to they, and a lot of other people, would have already failed at their job.
You can look up though what happened when terrorists attacked the airport of Vienna in the 80s.
It seems that we can deal with terrorists at a very short notice without having high school drop outs anally probe each single passenger.
Orion, I’m sorry but you are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance of American police combined with your obvious self-belief that you do know what you’re talking about.
Did you ever notice that Americans don’t have a habit of going pretending they know all the inner details of the lives and workings of other nations, and don’t spend their time commenting on them?
Yet so many from countries such as yours seem obsessed with pretending that they know all about what goes on in America and spend vast amounts of time commenting. And always on America: not on anywhere else.
It’s just downright weird. Even creepy.
Sort of like stalkers.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
JD430 wrote:
And to Orion,
I was only speculating that the sergeant lost his temper. In fact, I don’t really think that happened now after seeing more evidence.
Please stop giving us your take on American law enforcement based on what you THINK law enforcement is in Austria or Germany(you have no real experience on the inside of the business over there do you? Correct me if that is wrong.) I suspect that all of the cops in Austria wouldn’t know how to handle just one medium-sized American city. The comparisons are absurd and totally irrelevant.
Gee, where have I heard this before?
Oh yeah, I’ve said it myself several times!
Orion the Great: Official Expert in US Law Enforcement and Civil War History.
(*American Indian Affairs is just a private passion of his.) [/quote]
You were in Japan, right?
You think some of the shit you kind of regularly see on Youtube are normal, ok and to be expected?
Really?
So, if you know better, why talk shit? For shits and giggles?
Or how often does a Japanese police officer shove a taser up someones ass , stops an ambulance driver to strangle him a little bit or pulls a gun on someone who speeds to get his wife to her dying mother?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Orion, I’m sorry but you are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance of American police combined with your obvious self-belief that you do know what you’re talking about.
Did you ever notice that Americans don’t routinely or at all often go pretending they know all the inner details of the lives and workings of other nations, and don’t spend their time commenting on them?
Yet so many from countries such as yours seem obsessed with pretending that they know all about what goes on in America and spend vast amounts of time commenting. And always on America: not on anywhere else.
It’s just downright weird. Even creepy.
Sort of like stalkers.[/quote]
And again, sometimes you see things much clearer from the outside looking in.
Actually I think that a lot of people on this board embarrass themselves because they take things for granted because they were never exposed to another culture.
Simply by living in a country that has a whopping murder rate of about 100 at 8 million people tells me that a police force can do its job without having a SWAT team in every second village and without being overly aggressive. We do not even have a word in German to describe the concept I am trying to convey but you do.
It is called a “Peace officer”. Quite an enlightened concept really.
Some of the things you put up with from your police are decidedly not ok and you are repeating a pattern that is at least as old as the war to “liberate” the Philippines, recruiting veterans into the police who bring a lot of already acquired bad habits with them into service.
Sorry, my point stands.
But you have added the point that you also have a mistaken belief imagining that no or extremely few Americans have any idea about the rest of the world.
No, we just don’t spend all our time obsessing about other countries and commenting on them, other than rare occasions rather than multiple times every single day.
Let alone picking one particular one to obsess over.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Here we have another black man with a prestigious position, friends in high places, plenty of money and generally a better life than a very large % of white people, bitching and moaning about how bad he has it because some cops were doing their job.
These professional ethnics really get under my skin. When oh when will people finally grasp that liberals thrive on everything they claim to be fighting. They cannot AFFORD to have their stated goals ever actually achieved because their very existence would become instantly pointless.
To paraphrase Lee Kwan Yew, in multi-ethnic empires, people basically vote their race. All Gates is trying to do is carve out a portion of the trillions for his race through race hustling.
Mexicans do the same with National Council of La Raza, MALDEF, and all of their other organizations. Jews have their explicitly racial/ethnic organizations. All of these groups vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Whites tend to vote roughly 60% Republican.
The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that the Democrats blatantly support their ethnic votes. The Republicans do not. They choose to pretend, as do most whites, that everyone is just trying to be colorblind.
People like Gates are not going to go away because they command a large ethnic influence, and the political process on the Democratic side honors that ethnic influence.
I’m not sure if these figures are actually effective at improving conditions of their race - as the Moynihan report could have been written today and despite the myriads of Mexican organizations, the authors of “Generations of Exclusion” found no improvement in the socio-economic status of Mexicans living in Los Angeles during the past thirty years - but that’s how multi-ethnic empires work.
If white people, on the other hand, were to develop their own explicitly ethnic organizations, we would immediately hear about the Klan, Hitler, etc and all of the self-loathing liberal whites (the other 40%) would join the chorus.
George Soros would organize his minions to have non-stop media coverage of the new Klan, and we’d never hear the end of it. Wait a minute = that’s what we hear anyway anytime the feelings of a minority are slighted in some way by a white person. Nevermind.
You get the idea.
Democracy, immigration, multiculturalism: pick any two. [/quote]
Hitler said he would use democracy to overthrow democracy. The groups you speak of use the attempt at being colorblind by most whites, to take power away from whites. Those minority groups have no intention of adopting the same attitude.
When things like Affirmative Action have filled up a government or business or whatnot, then the white person need not even apply. (I’ve actually been told that before by a potential employer – “You’re a white male. Don’t even bother.”)
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Sorry, my point stands.
But you have added the point that you also have a mistaken belief imagining that no or extremely few Americans have any idea about the rest of the world.
No, we just don’t spend all our time obsessing about other countries and commenting, other than rare occasions rather than multiple times every single day, commenting on them.
Let alone picking one particular one to obsess over.[/quote]
Na, that is really not true.
Some ideas that interest me though are really applicable to every society and it really would not make any sense to discuss them using French examples on an American board.
A lot of what you conceive as being obsessive is really just owed to the limits of a mostly American forum.
Also, this board has things to offer most European boards do not. My only contribution to a Austrian supposedly libertarian board is posting in detail why they are socialists when slightly stoned. Why would I spend my time on boards that discuss how to make our golden cage a little bit more attractive until it breaks apart?
I do agree there’s some validity to your points there.
I probably really came up previously with the above sort of analysis from folk like Lixy – where I am convinced it completely applies – whereas it is true that you are more concept oriented and the explanation that European forums don’t necessarily offer what you are looking for as much, and on an American forum naturally American-related issues are largely what is talked about, makes sense.
Except of course when it comes to blaming America for Europe’s troubles in WWI and WWII.
There, you’re completely nuts and America-obsessed 
[quote]orion wrote:
JD430 wrote:
And to Orion,
I was only speculating that the sergeant lost his temper. In fact, I don’t really think that happened now after seeing more evidence.
Please stop giving us your take on American law enforcement based on what you THINK law enforcement is in Austria or Germany(you have no real experience on the inside of the business over there do you? Correct me if that is wrong.) I suspect that all of the cops in Austria wouldn’t know how to handle just one medium-sized American city. The comparisons are absurd and totally irrelevant.
I do know cops and, more importantly a know a few judges that were involved in the civil trials when some policemen in Vienna started to regularly harass people.
They were cleared of criminal charges because they basically lied, but their story did not old any water in the civil trials later when the judges questioned them alone and a little bit more aggressive.
So yes, I know that our police forced has to deal with drunk idiots on a regular basis and I also know that such abuses as seem to be common in the US are extremely rare. Not only that, if they happen such cops are reigned in by the system.
Then, we do have cities that are comparable in size to US cities, and the rate of violent crimes is far lower than in the US so our police and justice system must be doing something right.
See, we do not recruit our police force out of veterans who have only learned how to occupy a country, we do not have laws that actually make it a rational choice to kill a police officer, we do not have discriminatory drug laws that keeps prices high and a disenfranchised community that exploits that.
Maybe our police could not handle a US city, but if they had to they, and a lot of other people, would have already failed at their job.
You can look up though what happened when terrorists attacked the airport of Vienna in the 80s.
It seems that we can deal with terrorists at a very short notice without having high school drop outs anally probe each single passenger.
[/quote]
My point stands.
You know a few cops and judges? I know a surgeon or two too, but I wouldn’t presume to tell them how to do their job.
Comparing the job of Austrian police to the job that a police officer has to do in the United States is insanity. The geographic size difference and density of population alone makes comparisons nonsensical. That is not even accounting for cultural, economic and historical differences.
You have no idea what I, or any other working cop has had to face over here, so stop pretending that you do. Your belief that police forces primarily recruit combat veterans and then encourage that mindset on American streets couldn’t be any more wrong. I don’t know where idea that came from.
How things got that way and how they should be rectified is a different discussion altogether. I am talking only about the reality on the ground at this present moment.
He was crying about being pre-judged but he did essentially that to the cop by assuming that he was racist instead of doing his job. Obama doesn’t know shit about law enforcement and should have kept his big mouth shut.
Everyone thinks that they are qualified to be a cop, when in fact, unless they have the proper training, they have about as much of business as being a cop than they would a skilled professional without the proper training.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
He was crying about being pre-judged but he did essentially that to the cop by assuming that he was racist instead of doing his job. Obama doesn’t know shit about law enforcement and should have kept his big mouth shut.
Everyone thinks that they are qualified to be a cop, when in fact, unless they have the proper training, they have about as much of business as being a cop than they would a skilled professional without the proper training.
[/quote]
Prof X and several other black men and I have had this discussion. According to X, highly educated black men can see racism everywhere. I call that simple paranoia.
Bill Maher: Crowley said Gates was “threatening” - by which he meant he was an educated black man.
[quote]orion wrote:
Bill Maher: Crowley said Gates was “threatening” - by which he meant he was an educated black man.
[/quote]
Maher has been too high to keep up with developments in the story, I see.