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BostonBarrister wrote:
exonerating anyone from his logical error – but you’re trying to whitewash any blame from the two other highly culpable groups.
Professor X wrote:
No, I’m not. I am trying to get you to admit that the blame doesn’t just fall on “the media” or Jesse Jackson. Apparently, this is like pulling teeth. You are all too ready to point fingers at blacks, at black leaders, at the “liberal media”, but how is it it took this long to admit that the “buck” doesn’t stop there?[/quote]
How can you pull that fragment out, then claim that the other stuff that I wrote with it wasn’t there?
Here is the quote, with the paragraph that immediately preceded it:
[i]And, of course, anyone who decides to believe that any individual black person believes the same as the average position of the “black community” (assuming, arguendo, that there is one), makes that logical error on his own. However, I don’t see how you can possibly deny that this error is much more likely because of what the press and the self-appointed spokespersons do.
I’m not exonerating anyone from his logical error – but you’re trying to whitewash any blame from the two other highly culpable groups.[/i]
Where, pray tell, could you have possibly gotten the idea that I was “just blaming” the media and Jesse Jackson? How could you possibly have misread that?
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BostonBarrister wrote:
As for falling near me: Maybe when I engage in assigning you or someone else a belief based solely on your group affiliation, or ascribing to you automatically the view of someone who claims to be your spokesperson. When does it fall near you?
Professor X wrote:
It would fall near me if I didn’t correct this misperception if presented to me. I did correct it. I also will say that you are not THE ONE who brought it up, but there sure was no effort to correct the poster who did until I made such an issue of it.[/quote]
I don’t believe you clarified this statement:
Because every black man who has lived long enough understands that white america sees us all as ONE, despite not agreeing with Farrakhan on all issues, I can see the greater good that can result if the message and the ideal behind an event meant to bring us together stands true.
But if you did clarify, I apologize for missing it.
That said, I don’t see how that statement is any less, or any more, of an attribution to a whole slew of white individuals of an “average” view you, and apparently every other black man that you speak for, discerned.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
Also, this became an issue because you, vroom and whoever else wanted to change the original subject were successful. The original subject, I remind you, was:
Why should blacks who are conservatives be treated worse, and subject to greater derision, based on their opinions, than conservatives generally? Talk about taking an action that enforces the view that black people can only hold one particular view…
Professor X wrote:
This was no attempt to change the subject. It is all related. Why is the “conservative” label or the “liberal” label used so freely? Wouldn’t much of this disappear across the board if people would quit labeling each other like this? [/quote]
Actually, they are quite useful labels when they’re used properly, just like other labels. Describing policies, or beliefs on particular issues, as “conservative” or “liberal” conveys useful information. People should go further than that, but, assuming the labels are accurate, it’s especially useful for people who don’t have the time and/or inclination to research each and every issue (i.e. the majority of people on the smaller issues).
But I do agree that in discussions it’s much better to deal with the particulars of the issues in question than try to label something.
However, that was not the point of the original question. Irrespecitve of whether you like labels, this is still the question at hand:
Why should blacks who are conservatives be treated worse, and subject to greater derision, based on their opinions, than conservatives generally? Talk about taking an action that enforces the view that black people can only hold one particular view…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Beyond that, it was explained to you that the label alone does not instigate any hatred. Al Durr tried explaining this before in another thread.[/quote]
The point isn’t that the label instigates hatred – the point is that black individuals espousing certain views come in for harsher criticism, from both blacks and whites, than do whites holding the same views.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Many of YOU assume that when we speak negatively about a black who is conservative that this means we don’t like black conservatives. This was further explained to you in relation to Powell vs Rice. Yet you missed this? Why did you miss it? It is plain as day in this thread.[/quote]
That distinction wasn’t apparent to me, other than that you like Powell - who happens to be less conservative - more than Rice.
In fact, here is what I wrote previously:
[i]This point isn’t skipped so much as vehemently disagreed with.
Amazingly, it’s only Republican or conservative blacks, in the political arena, that get labeled this way – whether you choose “forgetting where they came from,” or more pejorative terms. If they don’t have the same outlook on policies, they are labeled – it’s just an exetension of the labels given to white conservatives, with the added little flavor of “forgetting your roots,” or the worse stuff.[/i]
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
This is totally separate from arguing about the policies – whether you agree or disagree with the policies in question isn’t the point. This question involves the criticism faced by certain individuals for even daring to be individuals and support different ideas for solving the problems they see, both in their community and in their country, than they are apparently “supposed to hold.”
Professor X wrote:
Read above. You are making an assumption based on grouping the mantality of an entire race together and finding fault in that assumption. You again are part of the problem here…how many more pages before you understand that?[/quote]
No I’m not. I’m asking why I see black conservatives take more flak than I see white conservatives take? Read above.