Doogie,
Those Farrakan quotes are priceless!!
Didn’t he have another one saying Jews gave AIDs to black people?
[quote]doogie wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
I don’t think Jackson or Sharpton organized the march.
Louis Farrakahn
Some of his quotes from that day:
“There, in the middle of this mall is the Washington Monument, 555 feet high. But if we put a one in front of that 555 feet, we get 1555, the year that our first fathers landed on the shores of Jamestown, Virginia as slaves.” - Louis Farrakhan
For the record, Jamestown was founded over 50 years later in 1607.
“In the background is the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorial, each one of these monuments is 19 feet high. Abraham Lincoln, the sixteenth president. Thomas Jefferson, the third president, and 16 and three make 19 again”.- Louis Farrakhan [/quote]
Gold! Pure gold!!
LF is the bomb! Never laughed so hard in my life!
[quote]vroom wrote:
That’s not what anybody wants to discuss.
They would rather find a way to show how it works in reverse as well… once accomplished they can just point their fingers and brush off any concern.
[Edit: Look at the next post for a case in point example…][/quote]
Brush off what concern? Of being associated with “Prussian Blue” because I’m white? Of what I should do about “Prussian Blue”? Of equating Farrakhan and Sharpton with all of the African American race? Of being lumped in with groups that I’m not a part of? Good god man, be more specific.
pox wrote:
“No one is playing dodge ball with you. You are simply a dumb ass.”
I want you to know that I view it as a rare compliment to be disliked by you, pox.
“You think people are just throwing insults at you randomly when the truth is, you really are considered stupid by most of the people on this forum.
I have no doubt this is the case.”
I respectfully disagree. However, if “most people” are “pox/harris/ron/bradley,” I take that as another compliment. It’s akin to suggesting that france/germany/russia are the “international community.”
“Your status is possibly the lowest of any poster on this forum. That is simply the truth so I find talking with you a drain on my mental faculties.”
pox, I’d much rather be considered “dumb” and a “cheerleader” than a hypocrite who somehow (in spite of his alleged acheivements) finds the time to post ON EVERY SUBJECT, IN EVERY BOARD, AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT.
“Blacks can be racists too.”
My God!!! Finally!!! I’ve had to work backward to this starting point with you. I’ve heard of people who deny that black racism exists. I’m heartened to hear you are not one of them.
“There, does little Jeffry feel better? Want a cookie? Whites can be racist and Asians can be racist. Old people can be agist, and you, you Jefffrrreefy are still a dumbass.”
Again, thanks for the compliment.
JeffR
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
BTW, what part of my analysis of the logic escaped you?[/quote]
The part where you admit that you are part of the problem.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
BTW, what part of my analysis of the logic escaped you?
Professor X wrote:
The part where you admit that you are part of the problem.[/quote]
You mean the part you made up then? Seriously, this isn’t a long thread – go back and re-read my posts and try to tell me I was engaging in or ignoring the problem.
If anything, you’ve engaged in a whole lot more stereotyping in this thread than I have (which isn’t hard when I haven’t done it).
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
BTW, what part of my analysis of the logic escaped you?
Professor X wrote:
The part where you admit that you are part of the problem.
You mean the part you made up then? Seriously, this isn’t a long thread – go back and re-read my posts and try to tell me I was engaging or ignoring the problem.
If anything, you’ve engaged in a whole lot more stereotyping in this thread than I have (which isn’t hard when I haven’t done it).[/quote]
The problem isn’t the media. the problem is people using the media as an excuse to hold biased views against people and then using those people to hold biased views against a race of people. That has nothing to do with the media. Why do you feel the need to blame “media” and not yourself? “The media” forced you to hold certain opinions? Since when does the media have that much control over you unless you let it?
Is there possibly a middle ground here?
Can the truth (or reasonable facsimile thereof) be that the Million Man March was a positive and cool thing AND Farrakhan is bat-shit insane?
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BostonBarrister wrote:
BTW, what part of my analysis of the logic escaped you?
Professor X wrote:
The part where you admit that you are part of the problem.
BostonBarrister wrote:
You mean the part you made up then? Seriously, this isn’t a long thread – go back and re-read my posts and try to tell me I was engaging in or ignoring the problem.
If anything, you’ve engaged in a whole lot more stereotyping in this thread than I have (which isn’t hard when I haven’t done it).
Professor X wrote:
The problem isn’t the media. the problem is people using the media as an excuse to hold biased views against people and then using those people to hold biased views against a race of people. That has nothing to do with the media. Why do you feel the need to blame “media” and not yourself? “The media” forced you to hold certain opinions? Since when does the media have that much control over you unless you let it?[/quote]
Pardon me, but please point to where I said I hold any such views at all?
You’ve twisted your posing trunks all in a wad, and you haven’t apparently yet even read what I wrote carefully enough to comprehend what I was saying.
By the way, could you please rephrase this so I can tell what the hell it is you’re trying to communicate:
the problem is people using the media as an excuse to hold biased views against people and then using those people to hold biased views against a race of people.
For now, I’ll just try to figure it out on my own. It looks as if you’re trying to say somehow that “people” use the media to hold biased views against Al and Jesse? As if Al and Jesse aren’t out there holding themselves out as spokespersons for “the black community.” As if the media doesn’t hold them up the same way? And yet “people” are using the media to hold biased views against Jackson, Sharpton et al?
Nope – Al, Jesse and the media are all hooked together in a little symbiotic toilet flush, following each other down the pipes. Al and Jesse want to be spokespersons for “the black community,” as it increases their own personal political power and ability to generate wealth - mostly for themselves. The media wants them to be too, for their own reasons - mostly laziness and the ability to get an easy quote or talking head for TV.
Then the second part looks as if you’re trying to get across the idea that the fact that the media holds them up that way isn’t determinative with regard to making it so that other people necessarily believe that Al, Jesse et al represent the “black community.” If that’s the point: Well, duh. If it were determinative, that would imply that we all believe that after watching the media and not thinking about things logically.
I’m saying the media is a proximate cause – in fact, a necessary cause – for why Al, Jesse et al are seen as representatives of the “the black community” because the media portrays them that way.
But it’s not determinative because there’s a second step here, which I’m sure you put together from a close reading of my previous posts.
Thus bringing us to our favorite logical fallacy – assuming, arguendo, that Al & Jesse even did represent the “average” view of the black community as a whole on any given issue, attributing that view necessarily to any individual black person would be a logical fallacy. Just like assuming any particular white person holds a view you attribute to “white America.”
BTW, a little side point – I put “the black community” and “white America” in quotes because I don’t see that a single entity exists. Much like I refuse to credit/blame “society,” for things, as if “society” is some entity with a purpose, rather than a collection of individuals each acting according to his or her own beliefs and interests.
LOL. Did I call it, or did I call it?
[quote]vroom wrote:
If anything, you’ve engaged in a whole lot more stereotyping in this thread than I have (which isn’t hard when I haven’t done it).
LOL. Did I call it, or did I call it?[/quote]
I don’t get why this is hard for them to see, however.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
The problem is that the media tends to give Farrakhan and other minority wackos too much attention as if they do represent the minority group they come from. The media does not appear to give White wackos like the clan leader a lot of airtime. So the perception is created that the minority racists represents the views of that race, when that is far from accurate.
This isn’t the media’s fault. The “media” didn’t log on and throw Jesse Jackson into this thread.[/quote]
I wasn’t referring to Jesse and didn’t mention him. However, the media has given Luis F much attention and from a PC perspective never seem to take him to task for his racists dumbass comments. Yet, if the clan leader drew a large crowd, the media would be there stating what a hater he was. Yet, I don’t hear the media saying that about Luis. Why? Because it’s PC to allow hate from minorities and not from whites.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Anyway, I’m not saying that there are not those individuals who generalize illogically (committing the classic “part to whole” logical fallacy). What I am saying is that it happens on both sides of the fence, and it’s equally illogical either way.
It no doubt happens on both sides of the fence, but only in terms of minorities do these negatives become representations of the entire race or culture instead of the mistakes of the individual. Never will you hear that Bush represents most or all white people. How many times in this thread has the attempt to link most or all blacks been made in relation to individuals?
The problem is that the media tends to give Farrakhan and other minority wackos too much attention as if they do represent the minority group they come from. The media does not appear to give White wackos like the clan leader a lot of airtime. So the perception is created that the minority racists represents the views of that race, when that is far from accurate.
It has nothing to do with race. If a klan leader could draw a crowd of over 600,000 he would get the same amount of attention as Farrakhan. In fact, he would probably get many timese the attention. There would be endless hand-wringing about how such a racist can draw a crowd like there.[/quote]
Then why aren’t they worried about Farrakhan’s hate speeches and the crowds he draws?
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BostonBarrister wrote:
If anything, you’ve engaged in a whole lot more stereotyping in this thread than I have (which isn’t hard when I haven’t done it).
vroom wrote:
LOL. Did I call it, or did I call it?
Professor X wrote:
I don’t get why this is hard for them to see, however.[/quote]
Yes, it was very difficult to predict that I would need to point out the obvious… But please, vroom, please show me that I have avoided discussing the issues?
But no, it wasn’t hard to see…
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Then why aren’t they worried about Farrakhan’s hate speeches and the crowds he draws?
[/quote]
Does he still draw crowds? I can’t ever remember seeing him on the news lately… and I wouldn’t even know if he was alive or dead.
Anyway, I suspect your question is one you should be taking up with the media…
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
If anything, you’ve engaged in a whole lot more stereotyping in this thread than I have (which isn’t hard when I haven’t done it).
vroom wrote:
LOL. Did I call it, or did I call it?[/quote]
And please note, the first stone wasn’t thrown by me… So, really, your point wasn’t especially valid.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
And please note, the first stone wasn’t thrown by me… So, really, your point wasn’t especially valid.[/quote]
Whoa, cognitive dissonance much?
Relax man… I made a prediction and various people have walked into it.
I don’t even know what you are trying to argue now.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
doogie wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Anyway, I’m not saying that there are not those individuals who generalize illogically (committing the classic “part to whole” logical fallacy). What I am saying is that it happens on both sides of the fence, and it’s equally illogical either way.
It no doubt happens on both sides of the fence, but only in terms of minorities do these negatives become representations of the entire race or culture instead of the mistakes of the individual. Never will you hear that Bush represents most or all white people. How many times in this thread has the attempt to link most or all blacks been made in relation to individuals?
The problem is that the media tends to give Farrakhan and other minority wackos too much attention as if they do represent the minority group they come from. The media does not appear to give White wackos like the clan leader a lot of airtime. So the perception is created that the minority racists represents the views of that race, when that is far from accurate.
It has nothing to do with race. If a klan leader could draw a crowd of over 600,000 he would get the same amount of attention as Farrakhan. In fact, he would probably get many timese the attention. There would be endless hand-wringing about how such a racist can draw a crowd like there.
Then why aren’t they worried about Farrakhan’s hate speeches and the crowds he draws?
[/quote]
Oh, maybe it is about race.
[quote]
BostonBarrister wrote:
And please note, the first stone wasn’t thrown by me… So, really, your point wasn’t especially valid.
vroom wrote:
Whoa, cognitive dissonance much?
Relax man… I made a prediction and various people have walked into it.
I don’t even know what you are trying to argue now.[/quote]
Well, let’s see. Given you quoted my statement, it would seem you were saying that my statement fulfilled your previous prediction - namely, that people would avoid the issues in order to point out that minorities can engage in projection of perceived group characteristics on to individuals. I was pointing out that it didn’t.
Oh, is THAT what I predicted? I think you have mangled it somewhat…