Derp?
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Goal posts moved again - not a sentence before this, you’re on the playing field of cultural relativism (“I just happen to prefer higher IQ good societies”), now the Goodness of Societies is and can be measured objectively, it isn’t merely a matter of preference.[quote=“therajraj, post:1239, topic:228119”]
Societies where they treat women like chattel, engage in violent brutality, practise things like cannibalism, child abuse to me are shit, yes. Do you disagree with this?
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Of course I don’t disagree with this. That isn’t the issue. The issue is you firmly believing in the objective badness of a given society, and you firmly believing that that badness is a result of the race’s attributes and limitations (and not materially other factors), but trying to pretend you don’t think that the races that produce (and will always produce) objectively inferior societies are themselves not inferior to the other races that do (and will always) produce objectively good societies.
You’re tying yourself into comical knots, but we all get what you’re trying to do (and not admit). It’s entertaining, at least.[quote=“therajraj, post:1241, topic:228119”]
You don’t have any actual evidence and you’re basically hinting at systemic oppression.
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Sure, there’s evidence, I am just simply using a personal anecdote to explain my point.[quote=“therajraj, post:1241, topic:228119”]
This is called confirmation bias. Do you think minorities don’t racially discriminate?
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With this statement, I’m going to unpack why you’re a dimwit. One, no, this isn’t confirmation bias - that’s when you seek out information that reinforces pre-existing world views or when you intentionally set aside objectivity to observe events in ways that reinforce your ideas out of a fear of having to change your mind. (Ironically, this is precisely what you engage in about 24 hours a day.). I am relaying an event as it happened as a personal example of how I’ve seen discriminatory views institutionalized.
Second, nothing I said remotely suggests, hints, insinuates, or otherwise argues that I believe that racial minorities don’t racially discriminate. What I said doesn’t address that topic at all. You’re simply trying to inject a point as some kind of defense (“don’t they all do it?”) by changing the subject and attacking a position no one here is taking.
Super - who cares? It has absolutely nothing to do with what we’re taking about. It doesn’t prove or disprove whether racially minorities are facing institutionalized discrimination in America.
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I’m agreeing that it’s not a fact in of itself, but an explanation of a fact he stated earlier. What’s the problem?
How many times can you contradict yourself in one thread?
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Goal posts moved again - not a sentence before this, you’re on the playing field of cultural relativism (“I just happen to prefer higher IQ good societies”), now the Goodness of Societies is and can be measured objectively, it isn’t merely a matter of preference.[/quote]
I don’t know what “Goodness of society” even means. Define that for me.
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Of course I don’t disagree with this. That isn’t the issue. The issue is you firmly believing in the objective badness of a given society, and you firmly believing that that badness is a result of the race’s attributes and limitations (and not materially other factors), [/quote]
What is “badness of society” mean? Define what you mean.
Low IQ societies will always produce primitive societies. I disagree with calling low IQ people inferior however and I use the analogy of women’s sports. Women’s sports are shit compared to men’s due to biological differences between men and women. Because women cannot replicate what men are capable of in athletics does not mean I consider women “inferior”. In the same way people who aren’t capable of creating advanced societies are not “inferior”
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With this statement, I’m going to unpack why you’re a dimwit. One, no, this isn’t confirmation bias - that’s when you seek out information that reinforces pre-existing world views or when you intentionally set aside objectivity to observe events in ways that reinforce your ideas out of a fear of having to change your mind.[/quote]
And I’m saying you’ve probably know about systemic oppression theory, and the first encounter with a racist white guy using his position to prevent black employees confirmed what you already wanted to believe to be true.
Now tell me, what is your explanation for racial differences in societal outcomes - crime, wealth, academic achievement etc?
Show me
Anyways since this thread is coming to a close, I’m going to share a few thoughts of ignoring the Biology of race from a social standpoint.
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As gaps in social outcomes fail to close even in the face of massive state intervention, racial animosity, especially blacks towards whites will continue to grow. Animosity towards asians will also peak.
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Replacement of meritocracy with race based affirmative action quotas will lead to accelerated decline in infrastructure. You can only go so far with under qualified people before it bites you in the ass. A handful of pin pricks is nothing, but a thousand is fatal.
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Large amounts of high IQ people will start to avoid post secondary education altogether. For a lot of smart people high school is hell because of the lack of intelligent members they are forced to share a classroom with. If high IQ students see the very people they are trying to get away from also getting accepted to college, smart people will avoid college altogether.
This isn’t a thing. AA =/= Quotas.
If someone doesn’t understand the net positive gain from attending college vs having to “endure” people they don’t like, are you all that comfortable calling them “High IQ?” Furthermore, if you get to the college level and haven’t figured out that being around people you dont like is part of life, you probably don’t belong in college anyway.
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Yes, you do, you’ve been prattling on about for months - Liberian “shitholes” versus places with minimal statism. No one buys your evasions, least of all me.[quote=“therajraj, post:1277, topic:228119”]
Low IQ societies will always produce primitive societies. I disagree with calling low IQ people inferior however and I use the analogy of women’s sports. Women’s sports are shit compared to men’s due to biological differences between men and women. Because women cannot replicate what men are capable of in athletics does not mean I consider women “inferior”. In the same way people who aren’t capable of creating advanced societies are not “inferior”
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And here we have it, folks - something is objectively “shit”, but not inferior. Objectively worse, but equal.
Thanks for the many laughs.
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And here we have it, folks - something is objectively “shit”, but not inferior. Objectively worse, but equal.[/quote]
The way you are using the term “inferior” you are attempting to conjure up perverse ideologies of the past (black enslavement by whites etc), it has nothing to do with the choice of adjectives. On that basis I wholesale reject what you are saying. Low IQ populations, regardless of their capabilities are human and are no way shape or form lesser human beings.
What’s laughable is you cannot posit any explanation on why racial differences in social outcomes persist in America.
That’s the definition of a scientific fact. A priori truths are also facts, but are not empirically testable. They can only be verified by reason and deduction, which actually makes them a certainty, rather than an accepted fact based on observation…
Just sayin’
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If you look it up, the greatest correlation between performance on IQ tests and external variables, the single greatest isloating factor I have found, is socio-economic. I am not going to paste the articles cause there are just tons of them.
But if you think about the sturcture of our society and then the structure of places around the world. Where are the poorest places in the world? Typically Africa, which is also where they score the lowest? Right raj?
The best scoring are Western Europe, U.S. and Asia, who also have the highest degree of wealth by a wide margin.
I get what’s going on, we want to correlate data to explain something we tend to notice. But all of it can be explained by the wider arch of socio-economics. All of the other correlations are substrates of that one.
You want to follow high IQ scores, follow the money. Same with low IQ scores, follow the lack of money.
It cannot.
The poorest whites do better in school than the richest blacks
Black children adopted by rich whites do not show improvement in IQ
Poor predominantly white counties have violent crime rates lower than the National average
It just isn’t true
That was my grand finale.
I may post in the thread, but I am not going to further discuss race and IQ, directly.
I am sure I can find a study that dispels what you said and you can find one that supports it. It’s such a broad topic, with so many landmines and pitfalls in it, there is no way to truely get to the bottom of it.
Best we can do is isolate areas, run tests and see what they show. That takes time and millions of dollars, neither of which I have. The studies correlating IQ to socio-economic status is a vast deep well. There will be race info in those studies as well. Just google IQ and socioeconomic status and you will get study after study. Embedded is race information if you so choose to peruse that.
Source of this chart? Link please.
Asked and answered by a whole squadron of folks since the beginning of the thread.
As usual, it’s about a third of the story, at best, and taken out of context. This thread is such a joke.
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Blindly citing the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education in indirect support of claims that race is the reason blacks have lower SAT scores. Good Lord.
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Not to mention that it is totally a test that can be and is coached on. Best thing anybody can do for a real IQ test is eat a good breakfast and maybe have a cup of coffee.
That will always be the case because people of different races have inherently different preferences, personalities and abilities.
Furthermore, this piece of evidence was not cited in isolation, I’ve also posted a study called the Minnesota Transracial Adoption study where wealthy whites adopted black children. They found that affects from child rearing had no effect on black IQ.
You are not taking the whole body of evidence together and evaluating what you want.