Biology of Race

[therajraj]

@pfury

@therajraj

Again you are a repeat questions that have already been answered.

Most people are not heavily mixed, you can clearly see major racial groups emerge.

Putting people akin to dogs is not the same thing as defining race (especially since you couldn’t define breeds either).

Most people may not be uniquely mixed, but quite a few are. If you want govts/people/etc to treat people differently based on race, and you can’t even put people in race buckets, you’re in for a rough road.

Now you’re shifting into public policy. This isn’t a thread on immigration or public policy.

[pfury]

@therajraj

Now you’re shifting into public policy. This isn’t a thread on immigration or public policy.

You’ve been pushing, this entire thread, the idea that races are different enough that they should be treated differently in many aspects of life. You shifted into public policy, not me. All of your “this race that race” talk is useless if you can’t correctly define people’s races.

I also fail to see how asking you to define race accurately (or hell I’ll take defining dog breeds for that matter) is shifting into public policy. Good way to avoid the question in any event I guess.

[therajraj]

@pfury

@therajraj

Now you’re shifting into public policy. This isn’t a thread on immigration or public policy.

You’ve been pushing, this entire thread, the idea that races are different enough that they should be treated differently in many aspects of life. You shifted into public policy, not me. All of your “this race that race” talk is useless if you can’t correctly define people’s races.

I also fail to see how asking you to define race accurately (or hell I’ll take defining dog breeds for that matter) is shifting into public policy. Good way to avoid the question in any event I guess.

I didn’t start this thread and the subject has nothing to do with immigration. You are the one shifting this into public policy.

If you want to start a discussion on race and immigration policy go right ahead, but stop derailing this thread.

This is about the Biology of race.

[pfury]

@therajraj

This is about the Biology of race.

Okay. Please define race. Or failing that, please define dog breeds.

[therajraj]

@pfury

@therajraj

This is about the Biology of race.

Okay. Please define race. Or failing that, please define dog breeds.

I’m not going over this same discussion a hundred times. If you’re not convinced converse with someone else.

Edit: read more here:

HBD Fundamentals

[pfury]

@therajraj

I’m not going over this same discussion a hundred times. If you’re not convinced converse with someone else.

Translation: You have no ability to define race on a broad scale.

Gotcha. I’ll move along.

[EyeDentist]

@therajraj

skin color is a marker for certain genes and traits

This sounds like you are coming perilously close to a definition of race. So please expand–exactly which “genes and traits” are you referring to?

[treco]

So some are fortunate to be taught how to use nanotechnology to produce a solution to a medical issue that has been reseached at a microscopic level, discussed across various methods of long distance communication, stored into computerized databases accessible through satellite transmission; culminating in robotic assisted surgery and biochem developed pharmaceuticals.

And much of the rest of the world has only learned to look for a ditch or hoofprint to get a drink of water, while patiently waiting for one of the charitable groups to come drill a hole in the ground, so they have water.

And yet there is only ‘how people are raised’ as a variable?

[SkyzykS]

@treco

And much of the rest of the world has only learned to look for a ditch or hoofprint to get a drink of water, while patiently waiting for one of the charitable groups to come drill a hole in the ground, so they have water.

I think that we take for granted the cumulative effect that once every blue moon, out of the billions of us that have existed and do currently- ONE truly brilliant person has the vision and intellect to see through vast tomes of knowledge accumulated over time to create something that changes our world.

If not for these flashes of brilliance- everybody on these forums, and the rest of the world for that matter would still be drinking mud and banging rocks together.

[therajraj]

Imagine what a nation with a 68 average IQ entails.

By age 12 the average European has surpassed a 68 IQ. Can you imagine a country filled with adults less intelligent than you were at 12 years of age?

Of course it won’t develop and the abject depravity in Africa should come as no surprise

[ActivitiesGuy]

@therajraj

By age 12 the average European has surpassed a 68 IQ. Can you imagine a country filled with adults less intelligent than you were at 12 years of age?

We’ve discussed (several times) the folly in applying an IQ test to define “intelligence” in populations where the things measured by IQ tests are neither valued nor essential for survival.

@pat summarized that nicely already:

@pat

The shapes used are universal. The representations as they appear on the test are not. If you get to have a good education, you will spend time looking at squares, circles and triangles in pictographs as part of that education. If you are not in a setting where education is a premium commodity, you will not. So those who have seen said pictographs before have a distinct advantage over those who have not.

There is no way to accurately diagnose intelligence without a level playing field educationally. And since that will never happen, we will never be able to accurately measure IQ across sociological categories.

Curious, though that even putting that aside: another look at your statement seems to imply that IQ changes as children grow…

@therajraj

By age 12 the average European has surpassed a 68 IQ. Can you imagine a country filled with adults less intelligent than you were at 12 years of age?

…from which it logically follows that perhaps the environment - in particular, the education that most of these “average Europeans” receive) is responsible.

[therajraj]

[quote=“pat, post:1117, topic:228119, full:true”]
All else being equal, yes.
The problem with social sciences is the inability to isolate variables. The problem with standardized tests is they are in very early and primitive stages of development. [/quote]

IQ tests have been around for a century

[quote=“pat, post:1117, topic:228119, full:true”]
Therefore the level of imprecision is extremely high especially when you try to expound it to represent a large group, something it was never intended to do.[/quote]

There is a constant pattern which arises whenever these tests are applied. For instance white europeans in America test on par with Europeans in Europe. Asian Americans test on par with Asians in Asia.

[quote=“pat, post:1117, topic:228119, full:true”]
These tests are to be used in conjunction with other measures to tell you something about that individual. Secondly, particularly with intelligence testing, it’s not just to be done on paper, there is a interactive component as well as creative, which is to give you a broader picture of what talents a person has and where those talents lie. [/quote]

Please show me.

@pat

So it’s impossible to judge the intelligence of a given demographic as compared to other demographics. It’s a misuse of the test, and it’s a partial test to boot.

Then why are people who are good at IQ tests rarely only good at IQ tests? Why do so many things correlate to IQ?

Also did you take a look at the transracial adoption study?

[therajraj]

@ActivitiesGuy

…from which it logically follows that perhaps the environment - in particular, the education that most of these “average Europeans” receive) is responsible.

Children are malleable and you can influence children’s IQ. However it’s never long lasting and eventually as they grow up their IQ ends up being on par with their racial group.

Another point: billions upon billions have been transferred to Africa to help them develop with people going there to help in person as well. It hasn’t worked, why?

[treco]

So you are telling me that you have never used the building blocks of the knowledge and experience that you have personally been exposed to, to create a solution or ‘new to you, anyway’ way of solving an issue?

I want you to think hard about how you have taken the properties of various substrates, welding alloys, working conditions/environment, equipment at hand, and function of the finished good; then create a close to ideal solution to actually build the finished part. Or ED doing the same with an eye disorder, or aragorn working in biochem field to finetune some drug, or ,

Then contrast this to billions who live exactly like their predecessors did thousands of generations ago. Not one advancement. Barely covered from their nakedness or the weather, scavaging food and water without the slighest concept of production or storage, no transportation other than foot, perhaps animal power, no method of communication or storehouse of knowledge.

Sorry, l do not believe they have the same intellectual capability.

[SkyzykS]

@therajraj

Then why are people who are good at IQ tests rarely only good at IQ tests? Why do so many things correlate to IQ?

Dude. You have to get yourself to a MENSA regional gathering.

Until you do that, nothing you say matters. Honest to God, it will completely change the way you see IQ, and not in a good way.

[EyeDentist]

@therajraj

IQ tests have been around for a century

True. And yet in terms of their ability to measure intelligence, they are indeed ‘early and primitive.’ The reasons for this are multiple, but start with the fact that intelligence is a concept that, to this day, is poorly understood, and one whose definition(s) are myriad and contradictory.

@therajraj

Then why are people who are good at IQ tests rarely only good at IQ tests? Why do so many things correlate to IQ?

We’ve covered this one before.

@therajraj

Children are malleable and you can influence children’s IQ.

This is an uncontroversial statement.

@therajraj

However it’s never long lasting and eventually as they grow up their IQ ends up being on par with their racial group

On the other hand, this sounds like something you made up on the spot. Did you know that 47% of internet discussants are willing to make up facts (eg, statistics) on the spot?

[MoreMuscle]

@therajraj

In 2017, they don’t even have basic development in many areas, it’s a failed continent. Even the cities are complete shit holes.

Nigeria

Ghana

Sudan

Ethiopia

Somalia

Kenya

Tanzania

DR CONGO

Gabron

Angola

Your claims are so unfounded. Lol.
@treco living just like their predecessors it appears.

[MoreMuscle]

waits for goalposts to move

[therajraj]

These pictures aren’t even remotely reminiscent of Africa. You are taking the most favorable pictures while ignoring the bulk.

Africa is riddled with extreme poverty, famine , disease and war.

I think you know you’re trolling

[MoreMuscle]

@therajraj

These pictures aren’t even remotely reminiscent of Africa. You are taking the most favorable pictures while ignoring the bulk.

Africa is riddled with extreme poverty, famine , disease and war.

I think you know you’re trolling

you’ve never been to Africa. You’ve never even looked at African cities. But, ya know, it’s easy to believe when you just assume it.
All I did was Google cities for the name of the country. I mean fuck, I wonder how many people live in the cities there compared to rurually. We know it’s a high percentage in the US, if you were in a “shitty-place” it would be an even higher percentage.