Is there a group or race that hasn’t been enslaved, persecuted, and mistreated, or not done the same to others?
Anyone here know? Please say so. I’d like to know.
Very very few people are even coming close to saying this. The point is whether or not certain races are CURRENTLY oppressed or whether or not systems exist today that were built on said oppression that let it live on.
To act like all races are anywhere near equal in a social aspect is just silly. Even in 1st world countries we see huge divides.
And one might also say that in a hunter/gatherer community with survival threats and tribal warfare these catecholamine triggers may also have conferred keener senses and thus enhanced survival possibilities.
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Excellent point. Versus an agrarian culture like that of feudal Europe.
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Epigenetics plays a role but there are multiple twin and adoption studies that show nature plays a role somewhere in the 50-75% neighborhood. So about 1/3 can be attributed to nurture.
Edit: for Instance in the example of height, genes account for 80% of your height while environment only 20%.
edit: Minnesota Twin study. People were shocked to find out how many twins who were raised separately, didn’t know each other often grew up to be very similar
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Perhaps I’m blind to such oppression in America because I live in the most diverse area of the country and I don’t see one group being oppressed at all.
Excuse me. My mom has a Master’s degree and my dad is a classically trained saxaphonist, but, they were the first folks in their respective families to go to college 
just picking with you.
There are still people that feel this way. That mostly African American (males) are overrepresented in special ed after being diagnosed with ADD. I don’t know if it’s true but my younger brother was on ADHD medication at one point in time. My mom is an educator so she’s all for the medication but she constantly reinforced that it was a temporary measure that you have to learn to control.
I think he was just a hands on person. He’s an assistant GM of a McDonald’s now at 21 shrugs
I took this test in 4th or 5th grade and it was weird as shit. My sister (who is even more academically and athletically inclined that I was) said the same. I dunno if it has anything to do with skin color but I just remember shapes and shading, I’m assuming it was mostly a study of abstract intelligence?
Anyways, I would take math with all the gifted kids in middle school and then go to different classes for English, Science etc, which I excelled at more than math. Makes sense.
That’s why this:
Would have made sense. If anyone had looked holistically they probably would’ve stuck me with the “gifted” kids just like my sister, but test scores I suppose.
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The difference with African slavery that we’re trying to get at is its recency. Why do AA’s have more diabetes/heart disease etc…than either Africans in Africa or poor whites in America?
Are they just damn unlucky? Did slavery cause a selection process that selected for insulin resistance and fat storage due to low rations of slaves?
Is it just fast food? But then the rates among poor whites should be identical also.
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I don’t know, but this is all theory.
Which is awesome. I’m genuinely glad that’s the case. Personally, I lived in an exact opposite of that in my earlier years where oppression of Blacks and Hispanics was part of life. From personal experience, the more diversified a place is, the less oppression they seem to have (because the % of the dominant race is much lower). I don’t have any data to back that up however.
You do get points for that! You’re not as bad as I thought, Puff 
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Agree. I’m not an evolutionary biologist, so this is me shooting the breeze here! If we look at a very isolated group of people, say the inhabitants of the Andamanese Islands, who arrived on those islands maybe 26,000 years ago. A small population that has been largely untouched and isolated. [/quote]
Before Europeans or Middle Easterners ever came into contact with Africa, Africans had not invented any mechanical devices, tamed beasts of burden, built two story buildings or even invented the wheel. Is all of Africa considered an isolated population?
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Putting testing for intelligence aside, I’d expect we might see differences if we were to look at something like an fMRI, maybe due to evolutionary forces and maybe just due to these inhabitants sharing a genetically limited ancestry from a small group of founders. You can say that and NOT engage in some crazy blanket statement that takes in everybody with African ancestry. [/quote]
Calling something crazy is not an argument. There are tons of things that correlate to IQ and there has been massive amounts of research done on it.
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This is VERY different from talking about race realism and IQ, as if I should have lower expectations for my AA kids, or any person if African ancestry. That might lead a teacher to accept it as just fine if they give me Cs and Ds, because they are somehow less educable.[/quote]
No but I think it’s a good idea for whites (and now Asians) to use Race and IQ as a form of self defence. When racial differences in societal outcomes differ, point to IQ instead of engaging in self-flagellation of “white privilege.”
Actually no it’s beneficial on the macro level because it gives people a reasonable expectation on the effectiveness of social programs. Look how much money has been pissed away on programs such as “No child left behind.”
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If they were genuinely less capable of learning, why in the world would be see so many of them in the middle and upper class, just a couple of generations after Jim Crow? [/quote]
Because a) it’s a Bell curve and statistically 20% of blacks have higher IQs than the average white and b) the public sector is purposely bloated to artificially create a black middle class.
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I’m not saying we’re post-racial. We aren’t, but living in poverty is an exception not the rule for African Americans, and we have more AA kids going to college all the time. This would not happen if we had some kind of racially based IQ difference at work. [/quote]
Your IQ is largely set prior to even beginning college. The reason more African Americans are going to college is because everyone is being pushed into college, whether they belong there or not.
College use to be reserved for the smartest and most ambitious, now it’s filled with tons of people who really shouldn’t be there. It only serves to set them back in life by having huge debt dangling around their neck for the remainder of their lives.
There are African Americans who belong in college but many affirmative action accepted people end up dropping out or transferring to an easier program.
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@MoreMuscle is an educated middle class guy with a college educated mom. His kids are going to look just like the average American middle-class kid who has educated parents. Their race will be completely irrelevant if it came to me testing them for a gifted program, or because they were having trouble with reading or something. [/quote]
That’s because IQ is not absolute.
Lots of methodological problems with the Minnesota Twin studies. Not to say they’re 100% wrong, just that their conclusions shouldn’t be accepted as gospel.
Those pesky Egyptians and all their inventions prior to the Arab conquest of Egpyt in 639 (and prior to the common era) don’t count as “African” I suppose.
http://ipfactly.com/ancient-egypt-technology-and-inventions/
Anyways…No need to engage with you. I can guess what your response will be lol.
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Waiting for @therajraj to claim that Egyptian-Africans are a separate race from sub-Saharan Africans in 3, 2, 1…
(And as a reminder: Based on sprinting vs endurance running ability, Africans have already been subdivided on this thread into Eastern and Western races.)
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Even if ancient Egypt was built by sub-saharan Africans (highly debatable), it would be an aberration.
So, if data do not fit your theory, you simply dismiss the data as an “aberration”?
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The abstract you quoted (without sourcing) was for a presentation at a (legit) scientific meeting (the annual meeting of The Society for American Anthropology). Unfortunately, I can find no evidence that it has subsequently been published in a peer-reviewed journal, which is what is needed before we take too much stock in it.
The title: (203) Ancient Egyptian Mummy Genomes Suggest an Increase of Sub-Saharan African Ancestry in Post-Roman Periods
(‘203’ refers to the session at which the talk was given)
http://www.saa.org/AbouttheSociety/AnnualMeeting/2017Program/tabid/1553/Default.aspx
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Can you explain to me why blacks in Canada and in the UK show the same patterns of less successful behaviour when there is no history of Jim Crow in these countries?
Since you don’t dismiss things and all