The reasons behind South Africa’s absurdly high crime rates are complex - they cannot be blamed entirely on racism and apartheid nor on the black majority population as @therajraj will inevitably attempt to do.
I think the take home lesson from South Africa is that the elites in general (now they’re both black and white in SA) cannot insulate themselves from the general population an ignore the economic inequality in the society as as a whole - the same applies to Brazil.
Rich people living in fortress suburbia and traveling to the commercial district for work and shopping malls for entertainment while the great unwashed survive on a dollar per day is simply not viable in the long term.
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I know i’m just a regular ole entitled white guy, but jesus is that picture depressing. I’ll take my first world problems all day.
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That series of maps just reminds me once again why I love history so damn much!
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I remember reading a lot about that when that “Blade Runner” guy killed his wife. There really are two entirely different types of life happening in the same place at the same time that are utterly incomparable.
No it’s not.
As blacks rule the country will take the shape of all other African countries. White rule will lead to a country similar to European countries. Under black rule they can’t even keep the power running.
In a decade or so South Africa will no longer be any different than any other African country. It makes sense, of course a population of people with a mean iq in the mid 70s is not going to able replicate or maintain a civilization created by a population with a mean iq of 100. Parenting can’t fix that @Basement_Gainz
Also expect a refugee crisis in South Africa that will be ignored for reasons you can figure out
Then what is our excuse? We have rolling black outs or brownn outs in every major city every summer, and given that they are on the other side of the equator, and that article was written in January of '15…
Ah fuck it.
What race are you?
I see your point but I am not sure of rajraj’s intent with that statement as I am still sifting through this thread since my last post.
I am all of western Europe combined. With 1/32 cherokee so I’m just a normal white guy.
I am quite fond of the legacy of europe, the USA and feel damn lucky to live in a country formed by those values.
I just don’t believe people being a different color makes them more/less exceptional biologically.
For instance, most of South and central America are basket case countries with crazy crime and corruption. I don’t believe it’s because those countries are populated by Brown people. I think those countries have screwed up culture, institutions and belief systems. It has nothing to do with their genes and everything to do with their institutions.
How does this fit into your racial theory? The Swedes (if you exclude the Icelanders and Norwegians) are the whitest of the white of the fine Nordic stock, they’re Northern European and according to you possess all those traits from higher IQ to exemplary work ethic that makes them superior to other “mongrel” races.
Yet they had a mass famine at almost the same time as did India. Not to mention that all famines in Sweden (there were others before the one mentioned below) occurred in peacetime… Damn whites, you let them run a country and a complete collapse ensues…
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See this is what I don’t get about those who say race doesn’t exist. Many, though not all, will say that race doesn’t exist but then go on to use the word race and say that one race is not superior to the other, and then will later go on to imply or directly say how one race is superior to another, the most common one being that blacks are physically superior to other races, which is true ONLY IN SOME physical endeavors. They are not superior to others in all physical endeavors.
They also so casually say how blacks are physically superior to others; that South Americans are hard working, which implies that other groups are inferior in their work ethic; and that Asians of all sorts are tech wizards, and also hard working, all of which implies that other groups are intellectually inferior!
This is hugely hypocritical. And it seems they won’t have it both ways. It’s fine and dandy to say how one group is physically superior (blacks being the most favored here). Some, like in the example above, will say that some groups are intellectually superior. But heaven forbid one states whites are superior in one way or another, especially in the areas of intellectual achievement… even though most of us on a daily basis use, and take for granted, all the inventions and innovations of whites.
Many whites find it oh-so trendy and fashionable to self-degrade themselves and I find it pathetic, just as I would find pathetic for ANY group to self-degrade themselves in such a manner.
I see there is talk about white conquest and mistreatment. Of course whites mistreated other groups as well as each other. In fact, whites have acted more diligently in their mistreatment (and murder) of one another than they have in mistreating others. And there is not one damn group that hasn’t engaged in mistreating other groups or any race in which members murdered each other wholesale on the basis of nationality, land, and religion!
The Turkish empire was one of the biggest empires and it wasn’t a European empire. Did the Turks, Mongols, Huns, and other Asiatics treated their white subjects with kid gloves? Do the Hutus and Tutsis treat each other nicely? What about the Japanese and the Chinese or Ainu? Of course all of these are questions with blatantly obvious answers, yet the trendy thing is to constantly bash whites for all their supposed general wickedness.
I’d like to know of anyone on this thread who’s standing on ground that wasn’t taken by force, expulsion, or even extermination!
If loppar is so upset by my comments he can lay off constantly calling me a nazi.
Personally I treat people on par with how they treat me on this forum
Niall Ferguson explained this in great detail in his book “West and the rest” - Latin American countries are fucked up because of the legacy of the Spanish colonial rule - the system of encomiendas and later repartimientos as well as completely arbitrary application of the rule of law and nonexistence of private property in practice (for the natives that is) prevented the inhabitants in having as stake in success of the society as a whole, instead making them dependent on the good will of the Spanish governor/caudillo/Hugo Chavez/Fidel Castro/take your pick
But these deficiencies can be reversed with adequate economic policies and a comprehensive rule of law, as Chile’s example shows.
Also, if you want the ultimate example just look at the Korean peninsula - one people arbitrarily split by an armistice front line.
Mass famine and half starving soldiers serving a man child lunatic-dictator just twenty miles from the headquarters of LG and Samsung
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You just before implied that black NBA athletes are superior to whites physically, and in SOME ways blacks are, making them excel in certain sports such as football, boxing, sprinting and jumping. And it ain’t skin color giving them such an advantage, nor is it fair skin giving Balts and Nordics an advantage in Strongman.
Culture is created by a people, not the other way around. After all, culture isn’t assigned by a sky spook to certain groups of people. And how can it not be an expression or creation of a people who are not being interfered with by another group?
I find it quite ironic that on a website named Testosterone that contains content on competitive endeavors that anyone would say that we are all equal. I believe we should all treat all decent, benevolent or harmless people with fairness, empathy, and compassion–that is, equally–but in no way are the races equal, nor are the nations created by or the sub-races within a specific race equal (e.g., Western and Northern Europe versus Southern and Eastern Europe; Mediterraneans versus Nordics), and nor are any two individuals. There are men on this board, in this thread, that are superior to me, physically and intellectually, and no matter how much education or training I get will make me measure up to them!
Even if race was a social construct, the end result will always be the same: the various races and groups will act in their self-interests! So it doesn’t matter what utopian ideal anyone believes in anyway.
And I don’t see how my statements here are in any way hateful! I am not an inherently hateful person, and anyone who’s met me in person from this board can attest to this (some have become in-person, real, close friends, not just e-friends). One friend from this board said, “I don’t think you hate anyone. You’ve just read some stuff, you’re grown up with all different kinds of people, and you’re expressing your thoughts on how you see it.”
I live in the most diverse community in the entire country and I am one of a handful of white or white-appearing people in the place I work as well as the town in which is my job. I had a black stepmom. I grew up with many Asians and some were close friends in my childhood. And I am not talking the BS of “Oh, I have an Asian friend” nonsense. I mean people I hung out with all day, nearly all year as a kid. I have met people of nearly every national or racial or cultural or socioeconimic stripe one can imagine. I’ve met filthy rich and poor. This is why, in conjunction with the material I’ve been exposed to, as well as real-life experience and observation, why I have the thoughts I do, and I don’t understand why I’ve had people discredit all this (not you, Basement).
I also have no freaking clue how the hell differences in things such as nerve, bone, brain, organ, ligament, tendon, and muscle formation; pigmentation; temperament; female breast shape; eye color; immune system (propensity or defense against different diseases); and spatial and visual awareness are products of social constructs rather than nature. I also have no clue of how pointing out such differences is offensive in anyway, and in all seriousness (I don’t mean to be offensive or rude at all), I don’t know how someone can tell me such are products of social constructs with a straight face!
The words Nazi, fascist, radical, socialist, tolerance, fairness, equality, race, and gender have been lost on many people.
The word nazi and fascist have become laughable terms considering they are now used for anarchists and leftists of all sorts. As most with half a brain know, Nazi is an acronym for National Socialist and considering there are likely under a few dozen NS party members (if that) alive today, I don’t know why it’s used.
Most people should actually read fascist literature before they use the word considering how incorrectly it is used.
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@Basement_Gainz I think I got a good question for ya. Considering you think the cultures of South America’s countries have left these countries regressed, and many of their people repressed, then of the countries on earth today, what nation’s culture should they emulate or borrow from? You can pick one or more: an Asian country’s, an African country’s, a European country’s?
While the current PC/offense culture overuses the term “nazi” to an absurd extent for literally everything, @therajraj expresses deep regret that Hitler lost WW2 (check his Twitter), believes in the inherent superiority of the white race, uses “jew” as an insult and generally uses tropes, tactics and themes directly taken from Stormfront - so while he’s not the member of the German National Socialist Working Party, I believe in his case using the term “nazi” is appropriate.
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