Stepped over the line I guess, my bad. I read most of the race thread but its up in the 2000 post mark and I lost track in the 900’s after everyone annoyed raj for being a white supremacist then lost track. I thought eyedentist was a euphemism for a optometrist and I wasn’t aware he was in the Psycho trade beforehand.
For me knowing someones IQ number would allow me to gauge their intelligence and I could determine things about them from that point onward, like whether I would get along with them I would be able to generally tell from an IQ score as I generally prefer more intellectually stimulating companions (didn’t mean to sound elitist or whatever but if I raise a philosophical point about atheism or a theory and they respond with I don’t know then I won’t like them particularly much).
Of course there is a plethora of other variables as you’ve pointed out but hey what can you do. It’s a simple way for me to tell someones “intelligence” and can be responded with a (God forgiving) 3 digit number, as opposed to a separate method.
Thats kind of funny. A friend of mine is a very accomplished MD, Professor, tons of innitials, etc., has worked with (and is one of) some of the people that have revolutionized modern medicine.
That being said- If you asked him about God, Atheism, or any number of the more heady intellectual subjects that people get wrapped up in, that is exactly what he would say.
If by ‘younger’ you mean childhood or adolescence, they were probably looking for signs of learning disabilities, which can be associated with ‘acting out’ behavior, especially in school.
Thank you for the kind words. But just to clarify, my PhD was in cognitive, not clinical psych. (Although I have much exposure to clinical work.)
These are great (and important) questions. Not surprisingly, their answers are neither simple nor universally agreed-upon. From the Science link inadvertently supplied above:
"Duckworth and her colleagues analyzed data from an earlier study of more than 500 boys from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, whose IQs were tested in the late 1980s by a team from the University of Wisconsin, Madison. During the IQ test, the boys, whose average age was 12.5 years, were videotaped; then observers trained to detect signs of boredom and lack of motivation (such as yawning, laying their heads on the table, or looking often around the room) viewed the videos and assigned motivation scores.
Researchers followed the boys over time, and when the boys reached early adulthood (average age 24), 251 of them agreed to a series of interviews about their educational and job achievements (there were no differences in IQ or other key factors between those boys who participated and those who didn’t.)
Duckworth’s team analyzed the results of these earlier studies to see what they said about the relationship between motivation, IQ scores, and life success. By constructing a series of computer models of the data, the team found that higher motivation accounted for a significant amount of the differences in IQ scores and also in how well IQ predicted later success in life. For example, differences in motivation levels accounted for up to 84% of the differences between the boys in how many years of school they had completed or whether they had been able to find a job. On the other hand, motivation differences accounted for about only 25% of the differences in how well they had done in school as teenagers. According to the researchers, that suggests that native intelligence does still play an important role in both IQ scores and academic achievement." [emphasis mine]
(Say, aren’t some of you from the Pittsburgh area, and of an age where you might have participated in this study?)
Needless to say, much of being successful in our world is relating to a plethora of people. One thing my Dad always did was speak to, and spark a conversation with every individual in his work setting, not just those on “his level.”
While being an all around nice guy, he would iterate to me as a kid, the custodians, security guards, etc. are the people who usually can, and will help you in a pinch. As I’ve gotten older and continued that behavior, what do you know? Old man knows something
It all starts with being able to relate to everyone @hugh_gilly
I used to really like fixing robotic welding systems. It was quiet. Sometimes with a couple set up on the test bench you could set them up to a nice little rhythm. Tick-a-zzzzt Tick-a-zzzzt, and another holding the tempo- zt-zt-zt-zt…
Then the phone would ring- “Where’s my damn machine!”. Every damn time.
And if you put him in the ring with Marilyn Vos Savant- her goal to not be punched in the face, his to punch her in the face- Who do you think is going to accomplish their goal?
If you think that is in any way indicative of IQ you have never been around more than three men at once in a collaborative effort to solve a problem. Especially one involving fire.