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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]groo wrote: As I said to the fundamentalist such issues are well fundamental. If you don’t believe in YEC then he’d say you are not a Christian. [/quote] There are old earth creationists I consider brethren. The evolution of man is a direct full frontal assault on the gospel of Jesus Christ including His very words. It is the worship of man made constructs right in the face of the God of the universe. Of course people who deny other crystal clear declarations of the scriptures shouldn’t shock us when they embrace evolution as well.
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Sure I suppose you are saying old earth creationists that believe man popped out fully the way he is today. But thats I’d imagine not a great number though I could be wrong since its not something I’ve particularly looked at.

If I really had to put it in such terms I’d say we are winning the war by small compromises until there is nothing left of the original.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]groo wrote: As I said to the fundamentalist such issues are well fundamental. If you don’t believe in YEC then he’d say you are not a Christian. [/quote] The evolution of man is a direct full frontal assault on the gospel of Jesus Christ including His very words. It is the worship of man made constructs right in the face of the God of the universe. Of course people who deny other crystal clear declarations of the scriptures shouldn’t shock us when they embrace evolution as well.
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If the Christian God of the Bible was real then he must be either stupid or intentionally trying to confuse us because he left behind a lot of evidence to support Evolution. And to support Christianity he decided to share only a few texts with a select few individuals and then I suppose his intentions were for the rest of us to rely on copies of translations of these texts while ignoring all the evidence for evolution.

Genius!

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
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hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”

And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]

There’s plenty of evidence. You just don’t see it or choose not to see it. Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Don’t listen and it won’t “pollute” your mind. [/quote]

Because other peoples polluted minds effect the world we’re living in.

And by evidence I mean scientific evidence that has gone through scientific testing. You say there is plenty of it so what is it?

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
[/quote]

hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”

And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]

There’s plenty of evidence. You just don’t see it or choose not to see it. Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Don’t listen and it won’t “pollute” your mind. [/quote]

Because other peoples polluted minds effect the world we’re living in.

And by evidence I mean scientific evidence that has gone through scientific testing. You say there is plenty of it so what is it?
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The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me. It’s certainly observable I just have a different perspective than you.

Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind? You? who made you the end all be all of what knowledge/belief people should believe in.

Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t. I’ve used the free will God gave me to give the possibility of God an honest and open look and come to the conclusion he exists. Have you honestly give that possibility an unbiased look yourself?

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:[quote]groo wrote: As I said to the fundamentalist such issues are well fundamental. If you don’t believe in YEC then he’d say you are not a Christian. [/quote] The evolution of man is a direct full frontal assault on the gospel of Jesus Christ including His very words. It is the worship of man made constructs right in the face of the God of the universe. Of course people who deny other crystal clear declarations of the scriptures shouldn’t shock us when they embrace evolution as well.
[/quote]If the Christian God of the Bible was real then he must be either stupid or intentionally trying to confuse us because he left behind a lot of evidence to support Evolution. And to support Christianity he decided to share only a few texts with a select few individuals and then I suppose his intentions were for the rest of us to rely on copies of translations of these texts while ignoring all the evidence for evolution.
Genius![/quote]Here, Lemme make this plainer for you. I’m smiling right now and very calm. It’s guys like Thunderbolt who are a blasphemous affront to my Lord that I get riled with. Until you give me those definitions, I am publicly declaring you a cowardly loudmouth who is an abysmal representative of his faith. Put up or shut up. I asked you politely and cordially. It’s on the last page. I had to come back in and get my phone. Now, I really gotta go.

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Trib, come on man. You can’t publically call someone out on an internet forum. It doesn’t really work behind an avatar or in OldManJoes case just a name.

Can we just have a civil conversation, please?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

I filed this piece of advice where I file all of Tiribulus’ advice. Care to guess where?

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This is what I see…

Catholics and non-Catholics seem to be for evolution, but there is a wide schism between the behavior we exhibit to our fundamentalist truth seeking brothers. NC’s seem to be act as if they are above everyone else. I just don’t get the holier than thou attitude when it comes to this debate. It’s non-productive to finding truth in the end.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
[/quote]

hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”

And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]

There’s plenty of evidence. You just don’t see it or choose not to see it. Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Don’t listen and it won’t “pollute” your mind. [/quote]

Because other peoples polluted minds effect the world we’re living in.

And by evidence I mean scientific evidence that has gone through scientific testing. You say there is plenty of it so what is it?
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The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me. It’s certainly observable I just have a different perspective than you.

Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind? You? who made you the end all be all of what knowledge/belief people should believe in.

Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t. I’ve used the free will God gave me to give the possibility of God an honest and open look and come to the conclusion he exists. Have you honestly give that possibility an unbiased look yourself?
[/quote]

“The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me.”

This is just lazy thinking. You’re bridging a giant gap here and you’re also ignoring the scientific developments of humans as a whole.

“Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind?”
There are people who will kill other people for talking bad about their god, that is one of the more bad examples of how belief in a god has polluted the mind. But how polluted is their mind really when all they’re doing is following their Holy Book?

“Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t.”

So you’re going to ignore the best method we have for discerning truth? Ok have fun…

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

Well put.[/quote]

And, in the greatest irony of them all - or Divine Practical Joke, depending on how you look at it - is that God endows Man with the incredible gift of Reason, but apparently, according to some, you aren’t supposed to use it.

Little “e” evolutionary biology is , of course, real - if it wasn’t, then it wouldn’t be used to analyze and treat cancer, which it is. If we listened to the sandwich-board wearers among us, we’d forfeit the ability to promote healing and treatment because we’d close our eyes to the conclusions of (some) science.

In any event, inquiries into the natural world through the means of science shouldn’t intimidate anyone’s faith - if it does, that person should consider a more sturdy faith.

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
[/quote]

hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”

And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]

There’s plenty of evidence. You just don’t see it or choose not to see it. Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Don’t listen and it won’t “pollute” your mind. [/quote]

Because other peoples polluted minds effect the world we’re living in.

And by evidence I mean scientific evidence that has gone through scientific testing. You say there is plenty of it so what is it?
[/quote]

The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me. It’s certainly observable I just have a different perspective than you.

Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind? You? who made you the end all be all of what knowledge/belief people should believe in.

Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t. I’ve used the free will God gave me to give the possibility of God an honest and open look and come to the conclusion he exists. Have you honestly give that possibility an unbiased look yourself?
[/quote]

“The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me.”

This is just lazy thinking. You’re bridging a giant gap here and you’re also ignoring the scientific developments of humans as a whole.

“Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind?”
There are people who will kill other people for talking bad about their god, that is one of the more bad examples of how belief in a god has polluted the mind. But how polluted is their mind really when all they’re doing is following their Holy Book?

“Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t.”

So you’re going to ignore the best method we have for discerning truth? Ok have fun…[/quote]

LOL now you done did it. :slight_smile:

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
[/quote]

hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”

And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]

There’s plenty of evidence. You just don’t see it or choose not to see it. Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Don’t listen and it won’t “pollute” your mind. [/quote]

Because other peoples polluted minds effect the world we’re living in.

And by evidence I mean scientific evidence that has gone through scientific testing. You say there is plenty of it so what is it?
[/quote]

The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me. It’s certainly observable I just have a different perspective than you.

Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind? You? who made you the end all be all of what knowledge/belief people should believe in.

Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t. I’ve used the free will God gave me to give the possibility of God an honest and open look and come to the conclusion he exists. Have you honestly give that possibility an unbiased look yourself?
[/quote]

“The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me.”

This is just lazy thinking. You’re bridging a giant gap here and you’re also ignoring the scientific developments of humans as a whole.

“Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind?”
There are people who will kill other people for talking bad about their god, that is one of the more bad examples of how belief in a god has polluted the mind. But how polluted is their mind really when all they’re doing is following their Holy Book?

“Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t.”

So you’re going to ignore the best method we have for discerning truth? Ok have fun…[/quote]

  1. I’ve actually put an enormous amount of thought into it. Not lazy thinking at all. Just because I don’t need someone in a lab coat to tell me what to believe doesn’t make it lazy thought.

  2. There are people who will kill other people that wear a differnt (rival) color than their own…

  3. Who’s truth? You automatically assume I have ignored something because I don’t agree with you. I continue to ask questions even though I believe what I believe, do you?

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
[/quote]

hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”

And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]

But there is proof, so I’m not sure who you are referring to.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

  1. Who’s truth?
    [/quote]

There is no my truth, your truth, his truth there is simply the truth.

That’s why this whole “different interpretation” angle is a complete and utter lie.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
[/quote]

hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”

And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]

There’s plenty of evidence. You just don’t see it or choose not to see it. Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Don’t listen and it won’t “pollute” your mind. [/quote]

Because other peoples polluted minds effect the world we’re living in.

And by evidence I mean scientific evidence that has gone through scientific testing. You say there is plenty of it so what is it?
[/quote]

The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me. It’s certainly observable I just have a different perspective than you.

Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind? You? who made you the end all be all of what knowledge/belief people should believe in.

Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t. I’ve used the free will God gave me to give the possibility of God an honest and open look and come to the conclusion he exists. Have you honestly give that possibility an unbiased look yourself?
[/quote]

“The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me.”

This is just lazy thinking. You’re bridging a giant gap here and you’re also ignoring the scientific developments of humans as a whole.

“Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind?”
There are people who will kill other people for talking bad about their god, that is one of the more bad examples of how belief in a god has polluted the mind. But how polluted is their mind really when all they’re doing is following their Holy Book?

“Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t.”

So you’re going to ignore the best method we have for discerning truth? Ok have fun…[/quote]

  1. I’ve actually put an enormous amount of thought into it. Not lazy thinking at all. Just because I don’t need someone in a lab coat to tell me what to believe doesn’t make it lazy thought.

  2. There are people of will kill other people that wear a differnt (rival) color than their own…

  3. Who’s truth? You automatically assume I have ignored something because I don’t agree with you. I continue to ask questions even though I believe what I believe, do you?

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As to point 3 Trib is correct about one thing. You either put your faith in the supernatural or you put it in the belief(I’d call it a fact) that our perceptions reflect the universe as it truly is. These positions are pretty much in opposition on most things. Why they aren’t necessarily against a creator say is that that being would be outside of our universe by its very nature and science for all the things it can do says and predicts nothing at all about conditions or things that may or may not exist outside of the universe. But within the universe certainly it presents a bit of a jumbled together world view to believe that our senses reflect the universe accurately(science) and at the same time believe that in certain cases our senses don’t reflect this at all(supernatural things) and that both of these things are at the same time true. Its not a very consistent position.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The evolution of man is a direct full frontal assault on the gospel of Jesus Christ including His very words. It is the worship of man made constructs right in the face of the God of the universe.
[/quote]

Now you made me curious. What are those words you refer to? I think you are exaggerating when you say evolution is worshipped, even though many atheists tend to use it as a weapon. God made man in his image and I’ve thought it to be a truthfull miniature. And not going to debate scripture anyway, it would be pointless for my part, I lack the ammo, just curious.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
[/quote]

hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”

And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]

There’s plenty of evidence. You just don’t see it or choose not to see it. Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Don’t listen and it won’t “pollute” your mind. [/quote]

Because other peoples polluted minds effect the world we’re living in.

And by evidence I mean scientific evidence that has gone through scientific testing. You say there is plenty of it so what is it?
[/quote]

The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me. It’s certainly observable I just have a different perspective than you.

Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind? You? who made you the end all be all of what knowledge/belief people should believe in.

Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t. I’ve used the free will God gave me to give the possibility of God an honest and open look and come to the conclusion he exists. Have you honestly give that possibility an unbiased look yourself?
[/quote]

“The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me.”

This is just lazy thinking. You’re bridging a giant gap here and you’re also ignoring the scientific developments of humans as a whole.

“Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind?”
There are people who will kill other people for talking bad about their god, that is one of the more bad examples of how belief in a god has polluted the mind. But how polluted is their mind really when all they’re doing is following their Holy Book?

“Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t.”

So you’re going to ignore the best method we have for discerning truth? Ok have fun…[/quote]

  1. I’ve actually put an enormous amount of thought into it. Not lazy thinking at all. Just because I don’t need someone in a lab coat to tell me what to believe doesn’t make it lazy thought.

  2. There are people who will kill other people that wear a differnt (rival) color than their own…

  3. Who’s truth? You automatically assume I have ignored something because I don’t agree with you. I continue to ask questions even though I believe what I believe, do you?

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"1. I’ve actually put an enormous amount of thought into it. Not lazy thinking at all. "

Ok sorry, but “The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me.” didn’t exactly sound like an enormous amount of thought.

“2. There are people who will kill other people that wear a differnt (rival) color than their own…”

That’s right. So now we have identified two things that make people kill each other for no good reason: Street Gangs and Religions. Both are a problem, and yes they’re a similar problem in that their both fatally divisive.

"3. You automatically assume I have ignored something because I don’t agree with you. I continue to ask questions even though I believe what I believe, do you? "

Yes that’s right you’re ignoring the track record of science versus religion. Science has a proven track record of discerning truth and religion/faith has not been demonstrated to be a pathway to truth at all. So the thing that you’re ignoring is Science because you said “Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t.”

So you’re saying your beliefs, for some reason or another, get to skip scientific testing, because you have decided it’s not needed…

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[quote]groo wrote:
As to point 3 Trib is correct about one thing. You either put your faith in the supernatural or you put it in the belief(I’d call it a fact) that our perceptions reflect the universe as it truly is. These positions are pretty much in opposition on most things. Why they aren’t necessarily against a creator say is that that being would be outside of our universe by its very nature and science for all the things it can do says and predicts nothing at all about conditions or things that may or may not exist outside of the universe. But within the universe certainly it presents a bit of a jumbled together world view to believe that our senses reflect the universe accurately(science) and at the same time believe that in certain cases our senses don’t reflect this at all(supernatural things) and that both of these things are at the same time true. Its not a very consistent position. [quote]

I think that science explains Gods work. I think what we call, “supernatural,” is just God work that has not been explained by science. Ultimately I believe science will lead to the revelation that God exists.

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[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]OldManJoe wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
[/quote]

hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”

And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]

There’s plenty of evidence. You just don’t see it or choose not to see it. Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Don’t listen and it won’t “pollute” your mind. [/quote]

Because other peoples polluted minds effect the world we’re living in.

And by evidence I mean scientific evidence that has gone through scientific testing. You say there is plenty of it so what is it?
[/quote]

The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me. It’s certainly observable I just have a different perspective than you.

Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind? You? who made you the end all be all of what knowledge/belief people should believe in.

Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t. I’ve used the free will God gave me to give the possibility of God an honest and open look and come to the conclusion he exists. Have you honestly give that possibility an unbiased look yourself?
[/quote]

“The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me.”

This is just lazy thinking. You’re bridging a giant gap here and you’re also ignoring the scientific developments of humans as a whole.

“Who says that a belief in God is a polluted mind?”
There are people who will kill other people for talking bad about their god, that is one of the more bad examples of how belief in a god has polluted the mind. But how polluted is their mind really when all they’re doing is following their Holy Book?

“Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t.”

So you’re going to ignore the best method we have for discerning truth? Ok have fun…[/quote]

  1. I’ve actually put an enormous amount of thought into it. Not lazy thinking at all. Just because I don’t need someone in a lab coat to tell me what to believe doesn’t make it lazy thought.

  2. There are people who will kill other people that wear a differnt (rival) color than their own…

  3. Who’s truth? You automatically assume I have ignored something because I don’t agree with you. I continue to ask questions even though I believe what I believe, do you?

[/quote]

"1. I’ve actually put an enormous amount of thought into it. Not lazy thinking at all. "

Ok sorry, but “The fact that we are living is evidence enough for me.” didn’t exactly sound like an enormous amount of thought.

“2. There are people who will kill other people that wear a differnt (rival) color than their own…”

That’s right. So now we have identified two things that make people kill each other for no good reason: Street Gangs and Religions. Both are a problem, and yes they’re a similar problem in that their both fatally divisive.

"3. You automatically assume I have ignored something because I don’t agree with you. I continue to ask questions even though I believe what I believe, do you? "

Yes that’s right you’re ignoring the track record of science versus religion. Science has a proven track record of discerning truth and religion/faith has not been demonstrated to be a pathway to truth at all. So the thing that you’re ignoring is Science because you said “Maybe you need scientific evidence, but I don’t.”

So you’re saying your beliefs, for some reason or another, get to skip scientific testing, because you have decided it’s not needed…
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  1. That’s fine, I’m happy to clarify my position. It was just one example.

  2. My point being that people kill for all sorts of reasons, religion being one of them. That does not mean God doesn’t exist. I don’t subscribe to a specific religion, but I also don’t believe they are all bad/don’t have merit because some extremist blows himself up.

  3. Science also has a track record of being wrong. Remember when it was fact that the earth was flat, for example. Science and all its importance has and will again be wrong. Religion and all of its importance has and again will be wrong. That doesnâ??t’ mean God doesn’t exist or that he didn’t create all that you and I see.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ultimately I believe science will lead to the revelation that God exists.
[/quote]

You have to hone that science part. Science can never give you that answer, God is not a part of the equation, there is no G stands for God.