[quote]OldManJoe wrote:<<< Ok. It seems you’re just lashing out at me. Not sure why…
If you want to know simple definitions just use google. You’re going too crazy for my liking and it seems like your emotions are taking away from your objectiveness. If you honestly have this many questions about evolution then you’ll need to do some studying on your own because I’m not spending hours re-iterating the information that’s already out there.
Asking me to define transitional form and define evolution are basic questions that can be answered with your own research.
[/quote]And here we go folks. Dr. Joe is refusing to answer a simple, sincere request for HIS definitions of some rather significant terminology if discussions like these are to be in any way meaningful. I am eating pork rinds and salsa, getting ready for some work and rather enjoying your company. You have my word before my God that you have egregiously misread my tone in these posts. To the extent that I may be responsible I do hereby apologize in advance. Now. May I please have those definitions as understood by YOU to be the underpinning of the assertions that YOU have made here? Please?
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Also, wrt to chiro and ART. I consider them to be separate techniques, and IMO the only reason chiros use ART is because it is effective while traditional chiro is not only ineffective in most of its claims but fraudulent.[/quote]
As someone who sits at a desk all day, I have found neck manipulation personally beneficial in relieving tight neck muscles.
[quote]OldManJoe wrote:<<< Ok. It seems you’re just lashing out at me. Not sure why…
If you want to know simple definitions just use google. You’re going too crazy for my liking and it seems like your emotions are taking away from your objectiveness. If you honestly have this many questions about evolution then you’ll need to do some studying on your own because I’m not spending hours re-iterating the information that’s already out there.
Asking me to define transitional form and define evolution are basic questions that can be answered with your own research.
[/quote]And here we go folks. Dr. Joe is refusing to answer a simple, sincere request for HIS definitions of some rather significant terminology if discussions like these are to be in any way meaningful. I am eating pork rinds and salsa, getting ready for some work and rather enjoying your company. You have my word before my God that you have egregiously misread my tone in these posts. To the extent that I may be responsible I do hereby apologize in advance. Now. May I please have those definitions as understood by YOU to be the underpinning of the assertions that YOU have made here? Please?
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Do you have an opinion you’d like to share or are you just wanting to put your ignorance up on display and sound as bombastic as possible during the process?
And I’d love to hear how or why you think God exists. And please explain to me the process in which you think he creates things because I don’t hear that gap discussed enough.
PS If you send another post asking for me to define words like “transitional” then I’m sorry I can’t help you because in that case I’d think you need “special” help that which I cannot provide.
[quote]OldManJoe wrote:<<< Ok. It seems you’re just lashing out at me. Not sure why…
If you want to know simple definitions just use google. You’re going too crazy for my liking and it seems like your emotions are taking away from your objectiveness. If you honestly have this many questions about evolution then you’ll need to do some studying on your own because I’m not spending hours re-iterating the information that’s already out there.
Asking me to define transitional form and define evolution are basic questions that can be answered with your own research.
[/quote]And here we go folks. Dr. Joe is refusing to answer a simple, sincere request for HIS definitions of some rather significant terminology if discussions like these are to be in any way meaningful. I am eating pork rinds and salsa, getting ready for some work and rather enjoying your company. You have my word before my God that you have egregiously misread my tone in these posts. To the extent that I may be responsible I do hereby apologize in advance. Now. May I please have those definitions as understood by YOU to be the underpinning of the assertions that YOU have made here? Please?
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Do you have an opinion you’d like to share or are you just wanting to put your ignorance up on display and sound as bombastic as possible during the process?
And I’d love to hear how or why you think God exists. And please explain to me the process in which you think he creates things because I don’t hear that gap discussed enough.
PS If you send another post asking for me to define words like “transitional” then I’m sorry I can’t help you because in that case I’d think you need “special” help that which I cannot provide.
Trollbulus?
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You have to understand something. You are arguing with a complete world view that will not accept a naturalistic explanation no matter what evidence is given. An eschatological proof will be enough but you won’t get any you’re rights from that. Look at the creation site that was linked.
One of the key points is that the belief is there is a supernatural creator. You can’t disprove magic. Also there are a couple of articles where they study how effective YEC reindoctrination to life sciences students at a few religious universities. (Sadly pretty effective it seems). So its clear effective propaganda is a piece of the puzzle as well.
YEC will go away as the number of fundamentalists goes away. Just like the term RINO there are many many CINO’s in America and as that number increases then YEC will disappear.
I went to Catholic high school and we were taught evolution. We discussed Genesis in religion class.[/quote]
Precisely. The warfare over these positions exists in the fevered minds of two camps of blinkered extremists. The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable.
Science is a body of knowledge of based on a methodology of observability and measurability, and therefore empiricism; religion is based on faith.
Science shouldn’t try to answer questions about faith because it cannot do so adequately. Religion shouldn’t try to answer questions about science because it cannot do so adequately. That isn’t an indictment of either one - it is simply a truth that each handles and informs a different aspect of human inquiry.
YEC will go away as the number of fundamentalists goes away…
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Exactly.
Evolutionism and the atheistic mentality that is its blood brother understand perfectly why it must wage this battle. It DOES explain the rabid emotionalism, the evangelistic fervor and the bare simple fact that a crusade is in effect. It’s why Bill Nye, the Jimmy Swaggart of Evolution Guy, needs our children so desperately.
This isn’t really about Science. It’s about two diametrically opposed competing philosophies - faiths, as it were.
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I’d agree with parts of this. I think YEC does suffer from not embracing their almost brothers like say the Catholics but it least the adherents believe strongly enough to allow no compromise.
I don’t think for the most part there is a giant crusade against YEC I think that as time goes by there are less fundamentalists and society is getting more secular. I know tons of people that would call themselves christian that Trib say would claim aren’t. And I don’t particularly judge their behavior, but their lifestyle certainly doesn’t appear christian to me those I’d call the Christians in name only which is I think a pretty large block of Americans. There was a religious writer that had a different term for them but it escapes me.
That is where I think America is going with one paradigm passing and another rising.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church. Properly understood, which you do not, the God of historic Christianity CANNOT exist if macro bio evolution is true. Find a different religion that will accommodate your humanistic idolatry. There’s plenty of em out there. [quote]groo wrote:<<< That is where I think America is going with one paradigm passing and another rising.[/quote]Thunderbolt’s paradigm rising and America passing.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church. Properly understood, which you do not, the God of historic Christianity CANNOT exist if macro bio evolution is true. Find a different religion that will accommodate your humanistic idolatry. There’s plenty of em out there.
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As I said to the fundamentalist such issues are well fundamental. If you don’t believe in YEC then he’d say you are not a Christian.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church. Properly understood, which you do not, the God of historic Christianity CANNOT exist if macro bio evolution is true. Find a different religion that will accommodate your humanistic idolatry. There’s plenty of em out there. [quote]groo wrote:<<< That is where I think America is going with one paradigm passing and another rising.[/quote]Thunderbolt’s paradigm rising and America passing.
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Ninja edit
America as you think it should be will pass. Certainly America as the majority sees it will still be here. If that isn’t a position you are down with you could say swap religions and countries.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
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hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”
And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.
I went to Catholic high school and we were taught evolution. We discussed Genesis in religion class.[/quote]
Precisely. The warfare over these positions exists in the fevered minds of two camps of blinkered extremists. The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable.
Science is a body of knowledge of based on a methodology of observability and measurability, and therefore empiricism; religion is based on faith.
Science shouldn’t try to answer questions about faith because it cannot do so adequately. Religion shouldn’t try to answer questions about science because it cannot do so adequately. That isn’t an indictment of either one - it is simply a truth that each handles and informs a different aspect of human inquiry.[/quote]
[quote]groo wrote: As I said to the fundamentalist such issues are well fundamental. If you don’t believe in YEC then he’d say you are not a Christian. [/quote] There are old earth creationists I consider brethren. The evolution of man is a direct full frontal assault on the gospel of Jesus Christ including His very words. It is the worship of man made constructs right in the face of the God of the universe. Of course people who deny other crystal clear declarations of the scriptures shouldn’t shock us when they embrace evolution as well.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< The rest understand the positions, properly understood, are not irreconcilable. >>>[/quote]And this is the most poisonous position of all because it pollutes the church.
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hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”
And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]
There’s plenty of evidence. You just don’t see it or choose not to see it. Why does it matter so much to you anyway? Don’t listen and it won’t “pollute” your mind.
[quote]OldManJoe wrote:<<< hahaha @ “pollutes the Church”
And what do you suppose it’s called when a Church teaches God as truth without any evidence? I would call that polluting the mind.[/quote]I’m still waiting on those definitions Dr. Joe. =]
Trollbulus?
