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I don’t particularly care if creationists want to tell there kids to believe in intelligent design (or whatever new title they generate to mask their undying belief in creationism), just keep it out of science classes.
Creationism is not science nor will it ever be consider science—ever.
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Somehow, his argument that you should not poison the minds of the public resource “children” makes me want to tell him to go fuck himself.
There is more wrong with the implicit assumptions of that statement than with the story that Ganesh poofed it all into existence or something.
Too bad creationists are westerners.
if they were one of the “First Nations”, creatonism would be considered “indigenous knowledge”.
It would be preserved as a precious “cultural heritage”, respected as a part of the “intellectual patrimony of mankind”, and tax payer money would be used to protect it against the “imminent danger of ethnocide”.
[quote]kamui wrote:
Too bad creationists are westerners.
if they were one of the “First Nations”, creatonism would be considered “indigenous knowledge”.
It would be preserved as a precious “cultural heritage”, respected as a part of the “intellectual patrimony of mankind”, and tax payer money would be used to protect it against the “imminent danger of ethnocide”.
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Lol!
But it would be taught in native studies not science class. Go ahead and teach ID in world religions class I don’t mind
Have to make sure the high demand for evolutionary biologists can be met.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Have to make sure the high demand for evolutionary biologists can be met.[/quote]
March on, comrade, march on.
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?
[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man Astronaut Neil Armstrong dies at 82 | Fox News read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man Astronaut Neil Armstrong dies at 82 | Fox News read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
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Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]Wrong thread, but in short Yes. Give or take. There are those who believe in an old creation, but who do also believe that the triune God of the bible did indeed create from nothing everything that is, save for Himself alone, including man in His own image from the dust of the earth and all very good. I disagree vehemently, but don’t beat such people up too badly. There is however nothing so manifestly anti Christian AND idiotic as bio macro evolution. It is pure unadulterated fantastic delusion and the church renders herself impotent to the degree with which she embraces this crippling demonic deception. Do I need to be any clearer? Please do not waste either of our time with abucnha so called “evidence”. I’ve seen it ALL ten trillion times. (yawns… wide) You asked. I answered. Carry on. Who cares what a wet brain fundy moron like me thinks anyway? Right? I have your pity. I know. Thank you so much for your concern.
The point is, the peak of our credibility was punctuated exactly BY what this man says is ruining it. Our credibility is dying because WE’RE dying and we’re dying because we have abandoned the very principles that made us great and hence credible in a rather loud glaring and spectacular fashion.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Who’s Bill Nye and why should anybody give a shit what he thinks?[/quote]
Because he has a valid point. America’s cult of creationism makes Americans look backwards, ignorant and unenlightened to the rest of the world. The result of this ignorance is a loss of credibility. [/quote]Is that so? Actually, the further we get away from it the weaker we become. This man http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/08/25/astronaut-neil-armstrong-dies-at-82/ read the creation account from the bible on the moon under our flag on live international television in 1969. How credible do you think we were then?
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Exactly right, why should anyone give a shit about what he thinks? We shouldn’t, but we should give a shit that he is absolutely right. Sky faries and tooth faries, and fat red men who bring presents, and zombie martyrs are all things that do nothing for our society. The sooner children are made aware of there basis not in fact but in fiction, the better off we will all be.
Yes, that’s right, if you believe in god, regardless of the skirt it wears, you are deceiving yourself.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< Are you part of the 6000 year old young earth cult?[/quote]Wrong thread, but in short Yes. Give or take. There are those who believe in an old creation, but who do also believe that the triune God of the bible did indeed create from nothing everything that is, save for Himself alone, including man in His own image from the dust of the earth and all very good. I disagree vehemently, but don’t beat such people up too badly. There is however nothing so manifestly anti Christian AND idiotic as bio macro evolution. It is pure unadulterated fantastic delusion and the church renders herself impotent to the degree with which she embraces this crippling demonic deception. Do I need to be any clearer? Please do not waste either of our time with abucnha so called “evidence”. I’ve seen it ALL ten trillion times. (yawns… wide) You asked. I answered. Carry on. Who cares what a wet brain fundy moron like me thinks anyway? Right? I have your pity. I know. Thank you so much for your concern.
The point is, the peak of our credibility was punctuated exactly BY what this man says is ruining it. Our credibility is dying because WE’RE dying and we’re dying because we have abandoned the very principles that made us great and hence credible in a rather loud glaring and spectacular fashion.
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I have zero desire to change you and no pity at all, a simple yes would’ve done.
I’m the one yawning.
You mistake correlation for causation.
Carry on.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< I have zero desire to change you and no pity at all, a simple yes would’ve done.
I’m the one yawning. >>>[/quote]Fair enough.[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< You mistake correlation for causation. >>>[/quote]No. I most assuredly do not. I know what a fallacious “post hoc ergo propter hoc” postulation is. The spiritual history of this once great nation is not one, despite all the frenzied revision being employed to declare that it is.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< I have zero desire to change you and no pity at all, a simple yes would’ve done.
I’m the one yawning. >>>[/quote]Fair enough.[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< You mistake correlation for causation. >>>[/quote]No. I most assuredly do not. I know what a fallacious “post hoc ergo propter hoc” postulation is. The spiritual history of this once great nation is not one, despite all the frenzied revision being employed to declare that it is.
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You have a certain narrative in your head, and you relate and tie in all events to that narrative. That is certainly correlation.
The ‘we have displeased the gods/god’ causation of empire collapse is as old as …empires. When seen in hindsight, then the actual reasons (which have no supernatural roots) , become evident. Why would the US be any different?
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< Why would the US be any different?[/quote]Because we are the only ones who ever intentionally took His name regardless of what, again, the godless revisionists attempt to delude themselves into thinking. The evidence for our Christian roots is so abundant it requires the ol fingers in ears “LA LA LA I can’t hear you” trick to avoid. I just posted some today in Hijack Haven. If you ask around the world THEY will tell you we were a nation built squarely upon biblical principles. Some will even unhesitatingly STILL call us a Christian nation. WE are the ones refuse to own our founding which is intolerably dishonoring to the jealous and holy God. Nobody was shocked when Armstrong read from the book of Genesis as the first man created in God’s image to step foot on our moon.
Nobody said. “aw man, those Americans we’re doin so good with this whole manned moon mission thing and now they had to go n blow it with this bible stuff”. We were EXPECTED to do something like that. We had God and scripture all over our public monuments, our courthouses and the writings of our founders. Look man. I am under no illusions. I do not expect that very many people will open their eyes. Not without a mighty move of the spirit of the Lord. Which could happen. Until then we’ll continue to swirl down our self made toilet of moral degeneration and self worshiping apathy all the while snickering about how much better off we’d be if Christianity could be expunged from the earth. It IS deception. On a positively galactic scale.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:<<< Why would the US be any different?[/quote]Because we are the only ones who ever intentionally took His name regardless of what, again, the godless revisionists attempt to delude themselves into thinking. The evidence for our Christian roots is so abundant it requires the ol fingers in ears “LA LA LA I can’t hear you” trick to avoid. I just posted some today in Hijack Haven. If you ask around the world THEY will tell you we were a nation built squarely upon biblical principles. Some will even unhesitatingly STILL call us a Christian nation. WE are the ones refuse to own our founding which is intolerably dishonoring to the jealous and holy God. Nobody was shocked when Armstrong read from the book of Genesis as the first man created in God’s image to step foot on our moon.
Nobody said. “aw man, those Americans we’re doin so good with this whole manned moon mission thing and now they had to go n blow it with this bible stuff”. We were EXPECTED to do something like that. We had God and scripture all over our public monuments, our courthouses and the writings of our founders. Look man. I am under no illusions. I do not expect that very many people will open their eyes. Not without a mighty move of the spirit of the Lord. Which could happen. Until then we’ll continue to swirl down our self made toilet of moral degeneration and self worshiping apathy all the while snickering about how much better off we’d be if Christianity could be expunged from the earth. It IS deception. On a positively galactic scale.
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I’m fairly certain a few other empires also ‘took his name’ and had god and scripture all over the place. And they crumbled.
How do you explain those?