Preach what? Preaching is reserved for spreading idiocy that has no foundation in fact nor reality. It is solely the domain of religion to do such things.
*I was not speaking about science. But about scientism. The quasi-religious belief that Science is the Alpha and Omega of human thought, and that it can and will solve every problem at every level. Even philosophical, political, ethical or existential problems.
*I’m an atheist. I do not “promote iron age holy books”.
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It is so painfully obvious that all religions are human creations, and that they have nothing to do with reality, but the dumb and the weak of our species cling to it like a life raft in the ocean. NO matter how obvious the contradiction, or how plainly incorrect the statements and assumptions are in these mythologies are proved to be by our own scientific endeavours, we are dragged back into the mire of angry deities and petulant martyrs.
It is well beyond time that our species left these inadequate myths behind, and that we condemn them to the pit of “stupid shit we used to believe”.[/quote]
Some people have stated this for a few centuries now. And yet they have been unable to come up with a workable model for a godless, religionless, mythless society.
The results of their attempt was a tragic failure at best, a complete abomination at worst.
By the way, we create new myths quicker than we destroy old myths. And our new myths are often more sinister and more dangerous than the old ones.
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We should let these beliefs vanish into the ether along with other nonsense like Atlantis, chosen races or peoples, the earth being flat, or the existence of fairies and trolls.[/quote]
Fairies are probably extinct now, but trolls are certainly not an endangered specie.
I like Sheiko and Westside but haven’t tried Wendler’s program yet. 5,3,1 looks like it is promising. Doing Sheiko now and it’s a killer but I think the program will yield good, solid results.
The egg and the chicken were delicious. You people are so easy to play with…ha! Now we’ll all watch as technology solves our problems a little bit at a time and no deity ever comes to save us. And, various religions will claim it just isn’t yet this deity’s time, which has been said for thousands of years. Using big words and big claims and heartfelt, loving hopeful statements to mollify the followers (sheeple) faiths will go on and on…Yea!
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Pat: Good point but this is what is done throughout religions and their associated texts. If we do the same thing for the Koran, which most people have, right? They are just a religious group that preaches poisoning waters, blowing people up, spreading hate, etc etc because we pulled a few verses out and read them the way we wanted to read them.
People can do the same thing for almost any religion (expect maybe Buddhism?) These kinds of crazy ass quotes exist throughout texts. That is my point, a lot of people have not really studied Islam, just heard some shit through the grape vine and make opinions through that. It also just bothers me that Old/New testament followers think they are fucking perfect and everyone else is the devil.
If these things aren’t “taught” by Christianity or the Bible then why do so many believe it to be this way? [/quote]
I don’t know what the Koran says or does not say. It’s definitely not on my ‘to read’ list. The point is very simple, there are way to many muslims who are either violent or celebrate the violence done to simply call it a lunatic fringe. I don’t know why they do it, but they do it. I don’t know if it’s Islam directly or a poisoning of the well. But it’s a problem right now. It’s not more complicated than that really.
[quote]Karado wrote:
I can’t let you skate away easy on that one ‘‘pusharder’’…BABEL is not the origin for the different races of people…that’s horseshit unless you can prove that from Scripture…language and race are two completely different things, so please don’t attempt to tie those
two in a pretty little bow without Scriptural back up…Languages were changed, but change of flesh was not mentioned whatsoever,
and far be it from scripture to omit a concurrent confusion at Babel where all of a sudden people LOOKED different as well.
That’s theory, not fact backed up by the Bible.
There is NOTHING in Scripture that sez people in an instant at Babel had their flesh changed in various color shades and
epicanthic folds suddenly appeared around people’s eyes in addition to the confusion of languages, how would the instant
change of races confuse in and of it itself in the first place?
Different races are beautiful and diverse, so please don’t give us the theory that this beautiful diversity was
a direct result of angering the lord.
Try again, or just admit that you do not know how exactly the races were differentiated, unless you back it
up with scripture.
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Why do people feel compelled to discuss my pecker.[/quote]
Because it is so little:)
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If it were in your ass, you’d think I was John Holmes…
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I personally feel if there is a God he would want me to study his operating system . I personally feel Religion would be ANTI GOD (anti Christ)[/quote]
No, it’s not incongruent. If you studied both, you would see that. Perhaps it’s your calling.
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
Everyone should watch the film Religulous. There is the constant that all people who are invested emotionally in any religion from the time of infancy will condescend to anyone with a thought differing from their own about human/universe origin. It is the way of the group mind to vilify and condemn all that contradict them.
Religion has been great for the masses and still is because they don’t want to think or want to commit themselves to a non-ending dissection of etymologies and invented meanings to justify their thinking and actions. God is certainly not dead because the tree that fell in the forest was deaf.[/quote]
Why? There’s not enough atheistic, anti-religious propaganda on the internet? The parts of the movie I have seen were laughably bad. It’s not an honest investigation. It’s an ignorant perspective done by somebody who does not understand the subject matter he wished to investigate. Poking holes in religious people. Finding ignorant and stupid people to use as an exposition as to why something is wrong or dumb is just plain old propaganda.
He’s not seeking ‘truth’ as he claims, he’s trying to make religious people look stupid. I didn’t see him tap any religious scholars, apologists, historians or any intelligentsia, probably because he knew he would have his ass handed to him.
It’s a classic misrepresentation to serve his own purpose which is to contribute to erraticating religion by humiliation. If the soviets couldn’t succeed at gun point, you’re not going to mock it out of us. Hell, he’s actually fulfilling the scriptures, because we know there will be scoffers and mockers. So by this action, his is playing his part in fulfilling scriptural prophecy. Maher simply doesn’t understand the subject matter and his ignorance shows. There plenty of stupid atheists. If I had the time and the budget, I could make a movie showing how ridiculous and stupid they are, no problem. Just pick the low hanging fruit and humiliate.
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
Everyone should watch the film Religulous. There is the constant that all people who are invested emotionally in any religion from the time of infancy will condescend to anyone with a thought differing from their own about human/universe origin. It is the way of the group mind to vilify and condemn all that contradict them. Religion has been great for the masses and still is because they don’t want to think or want to commit themselves to a non-ending dissection of etymologies and invented meanings to justify their thinking and actions. God is certainly not dead because the tree that fell in the forest was deaf.[/quote]
Funny thing, though. You don’t see many christians on here villifying the atheists. It has been my short experience that the condescending hatred is pretty much all coming from the fear and ignorance of the militant atheist.
I could be wrong, but that’s just how it looks to me.
And Bill Maher ranks right below Mikey Moore on the all time douche-bag hypocrite list. LOL this tampon string exists in the public discourse merely due to the fact that there are group think morons who watch his show. [/quote]
Well, in terms of evil wrought on the world, the atheists beat any religion by a long shot. More evil was committed by atheists then by any demographic in history. Much of this violence was religiously based. They make the crusades look like a play ground fight.
It’s a silly idea that because people in history violated the tenets of their faith, that it’s the faith not the people who violated it that’s the problem.
No, people who did evil in the name of religion has not only violated it, but committed the gravest sins of all.
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
I don’t watch Bill Maher’s show but I do love John Stewart’s show as well Colbert’s show. Maybe the christians on here are not vilifying atheists, I don’t know, but the condemning of every other religion by each religion is rampant in much more than threads like this. The pain is felt economically, by exclusion, by tacit bigotry, etc. The outdated model of religion which is nothing more than the evolution of past beliefs we call mythology(another condescension), will die. The new ideals will link into the common group think and most people will say it is the truth and anyone who disagrees will be anathema.
Look at the way religions are evolving. Women are now accepted as priests and reverends, homosexuals are included in the beliefs, single parents are allowed, all races can be included, lions and tigers and bears, oh my! Anyone with any liturgical historical knowledge will know that these things and many more were not allowed 50 or a hundred years ago and more. So, was religion false then and true now. Horse-hockey! The smokescreen will obfuscate the world(group mind) and continue.[/quote]
You don’t understand religion at all. You’re looking at it through a fish-eye lens. I understand atheism very well… What I don’t understand is how anybody who uses logic and seeks wisdom could be an atheist. It’s the most illogical stance of all. It requires you to believe ‘something from nothing’, that is the most illogical, unreasonable stance a person can take. It’s completely indefensible. An atheist who claims they don’t believe that is a lair. Atheism demands it.
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
To make science a religion one must have faith in science. I believe that having faith would involve believing in something not seen or proved but rather felt or interpreted(imagined). I do not serve or worship any faith in science however I will take the proof science puts forth as being the truth until/unless it is proved incorrect. The masses choose to believe in an omnipotent being but from day one there is not one shred of proof that this being exists(except in the conjured up soul).[/quote]
Logic demand that God must exist. Science is not a tool capable of proving or disproving that. You must use deductive logic, science is empirical and is not equipped to deal with the question in the first place. Science is a tool to understand the physical world. The physical universe, alas, cannot be proven to exist.
