Bible Contradictions

[Tiribulus]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< We are the largest charitable organization in the world >>>[/quote]And that’s all you are.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I stand up on my soap box for four hours at a time, two times a month with my big beard, black clothes, and my big crucifix sitting on my gut while verbally disemboweling hecklers’ and Protestants’ arguments alike. >>>[/quote]The ministry and gift of disembowelment? Oh Lord Jesus don’t let me die before visiting Chris’s soapbox =] I promise I will make no attempt to disembowel him.

[ZEB]

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Pat, you’re title as least intelligent has just been swiped by ZEB![/quote]

You are entertaining junior. You are a 20 year old (I’m close) college kid posting all over the place that there’s no God and YOU call me unintelligent? Ha ha…you own that title hands down

We don’t reject the Bible outright and work backwards. I was raised in a very Christian home and it wasn’t until I actually READ the book that I started deviating from it. Very, VERY few Christians hasve actually read the bible for themselves, but I don’t know even ONE atheist who hasn’t.

That’s another funny one. It’s been my experience that most atheists have NOT read the Bible. They think they understand the context and criticize from there.

1. Too smart to believe? Are you fucking kidding? You know you’re arguing something stupid when your go-to argument is a criticism of logic based rejection.

I am not arguing against logic. I was merely quoting a scripture from the book that YOU have rejected.

2. Can’t be done? I’ve pointed out several contradictions in your bible and neither you, nor anyone else has reconciled them. Tell me, if your bible is contradictory free, then how do you account for the VERY contradictory genealogies given in the bible relative to Jesus? (Luke 3:23â??38, Matthew 1:1â??17)

You need to pay more attention to this site and less to your college studies (ouch bad advice). I answered your nutty question and you failed to respond to my answer. There are no contradictions in the Bible - that is clear.

[quote]3. I love how I’m constantly being labeled as hubristic just because I’m not pretending like you guys “might” be right. Tell me, how many of you debated me specifically because you DIDN’T think you were right and I was wrong?

I didn’t think so.[/quote]

Honestly, at times I can understand someone claiming to be agnostic. But it takes a really inexperienced person to shout at the top of his lungs that there is no God. And not so coincidentally most atheists are young males.

Bottom line you’ve got a lot to learn.

[jakerz96]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< We are the largest charitable organization in the world >>>[/quote]And that’s all you are.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I stand up on my soap box for four hours at a time, two times a month with my big beard, black clothes, and my big crucifix sitting on my gut while verbally disemboweling hecklers’ and Protestants’ arguments alike. >>>[/quote]The ministry and gift of disembowelment? Oh Lord Jesus don’t let me die before visiting Chris’s soapbox =] I promise I will make no attempt to disembowel him.
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I think you two just like to banter. I must say though that the Catholic Church is a lot more than just a charitable organization, but I know we won’t agree on what it is. Tiribulus, would you be open to a book exchange? If so let me know and we can swap addresses via PM and I’ll send you one and you send me one (I like short books). Also just curious sense we are over here in PWI does everyone in this thread still train actively?

[RyuuKyuzo]

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Lol. The bible is full of errors and contradictions, but that’s okay because it’s only THE BIBLE! The inerrant word of God doesn’t need to be inerrant, it’s not some history book, it’s just a book of (supposed) historical events… way different!!!
Clearly by pointing out these abhorrent flaws I am making the logical fallacy of… being accurate.

Boy, I sure am glad you all took the time to tell me I was wrong, you know, without actually showing the flaws in mt logic, because otherwise I’d be some heathenish SCIENTIST or something childish like that. =3[/quote]

Oh, that was logic?
You talk to much and listen to little. The bible is what it is, I make no apologies for it, but I am pretty sure I know it far better than you. If you don’t like, don’t read it, it’s blatant that you have not. It is no concern of mine. I don’t care. [/quote]

I haven’t read the bible? Why? Because I don’t agree with it? That exact same argument could be used to “justify” ANY religion.

Besides, I’ve listed several verses, all related to the topic at hand, was this just a coincidence? I just typed a name and some numbers and it just happened to fit? Hmm?[/quote]

No, because you don’t know what your talking about.[/quote]

How so? Be specific. [/quote]

All your ‘arguments’ have been made by other athiests. They got them from virtually same sources but unfortunately for you they provided the links. So you ain’t breaking any new ground, I have seen in all before. Same exact things.

So you reckon your self a biblical scholar do you? These questions should be easy for you then, we’ll do a little test.
Who wrote the bible?
When was it written?
Who removed books from the bible and why? What books were they?
Which books got put back?

Google away…[/quote]

Didn’t you JUST say you didn’t want to talk to me? Did you just change your mind real quick?

Again you proclaim such simplicity in debunking my arguments, but make no effort whatsoever to do so. I call bullshit.

WTF? You already acknowledge that all these questions could be answered by anyone capable of maneuvering Google, but proceed to ask as though these questions will prove anything either way?

You’re not an intelligent man, Pat. If you’re going to talk to me anyway you might as well bring up arguments relative to my argument, is that so damn hard?[/quote]

Come on, dude…is it really necessary insult his intelligence? Pat is a bright guy, and is more open minded than many religious folks I’ve met. For that matter, Tiribulus is intelligent as well. There’s no correlation between intelligence and religious beliefs. Some of the brightest people on the planet are believers.
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No, Pat is not a bright guy. His argument is essentially “sure, the bible has flaws, but that’s okay I still take it has 100% indisputable fact!” – intelligent persons don’t do this to themselves.

Despite what you believe, religion DOES correlate with intelligence and as the studies show, atheists score six points higher on the aggregate (controlled for G): Religiosity and intelligence - Wikipedia

Lastly, I’ve never really talked to Tiribulus so I can’t say either way about him.[/quote]

I was talking about a perfect correlation, which obviously doesn’t exit. Are you disagreeing that some of the most intelligent people on the planet are believers? Geniuses are still human and are subject to the same confirmatory biases as anyone else. Science provides some protection from those biases, but few are honest and courageous enough to fully embrace the scientific method across the entire spectrum of their beliefs.

Including you.

I was a believer, despite having a Ph.D. in psychology, and despite specifically studying the effects of cognitive biases on the conclusions people reach. It took years before I was truly ready and wiling to step back and admit my own ignorance. Many never do, and it’s not because they’re less intelligent than you.[/quote]

Wow. Okay, first, non-believers outsmart believers both on the aggregate and in ultimate terms. Here is a list of the 8 smartest persons in the world. Guess how many of them are Christian. (PalScience.com is for sale | HugeDomains)

There are probably believers with atypically high IQ’s, but they are exceptions. Nothing more. Hardly worth hiding behind a “perfect correlation” for.

I don’t care if you are a Christian, atheist, pantheist, polygamist, whatever. If your argument is essentially “Sure, (X) is flawed, but I REEAAALLY believe it and that’s why I’m right and you’re wrong”, you are not a smart person.

Smart Christians do one of two things.

1. Weasel around it (moderate intelligence)
2. Reject it (legitimate intelligence)

[RyuuKyuzo]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:

Pat, you’re title as least intelligent has just been swiped by ZEB![/quote]

You are entertaining junior. You are a 20 year old (I’m close) college kid posting all over the place that there’s no God and YOU call me unintelligent? Ha ha…you own that title hands down

We don’t reject the Bible outright and work backwards. I was raised in a very Christian home and it wasn’t until I actually READ the book that I started deviating from it. Very, VERY few Christians hasve actually read the bible for themselves, but I don’t know even ONE atheist who hasn’t.

That’s another funny one. It’s been my experience that most atheists have NOT read the Bible. They think they understand the context and criticize from there.

1. Too smart to believe? Are you fucking kidding? You know you’re arguing something stupid when your go-to argument is a criticism of logic based rejection.

I am not arguing against logic. I was merely quoting a scripture from the book that YOU have rejected.

2. Can’t be done? I’ve pointed out several contradictions in your bible and neither you, nor anyone else has reconciled them. Tell me, if your bible is contradictory free, then how do you account for the VERY contradictory genealogies given in the bible relative to Jesus? (Luke 3:23Ã??Ã?¢??38, Matthew 1:1Ã??Ã?¢??17)

You need to pay more attention to this site and less to your college studies (ouch bad advice). I answered your nutty question and you failed to respond to my answer. There are no contradictions in the Bible - that is clear.

[quote]3. I love how I’m constantly being labeled as hubristic just because I’m not pretending like you guys “might” be right. Tell me, how many of you debated me specifically because you DIDN’T think you were right and I was wrong?

I didn’t think so.[/quote]

Honestly, at times I can understand someone claiming to be agnostic. But it takes a really inexperienced person to shout at the top of his lungs that there is no God. And not so coincidentally most atheists are young males.

Bottom line you’ve got a lot to learn.
[/quote]

Wtf? You haven’t shown that a belief in god = intelligence, you’re merely asserting your position again. I already KNOW your position. I don’t know why you feel the need to replace actual substance with this redundancy. Actually, I do, it’s because all you have is “claiming you’re right” and when that doesn’t work you “claim” harder.

I don’t know what atheists you’ve been talking to (my guess is it’s the imaginary ones you invent to esteem yourself), but most Christians don’t read the bible at all and only about 37% read is at LEAST once a week, whereas atheists are so notorious for knowing the bible hands down that it’s even assumed in your Christian “how-to-convert-atheists” hand book that we are more versed in the bible than you –
“Do your homework. If you are a Christian, and you believe that the Bible is the direct word of God, then certainly you have read most of the Bible, especially the Gospels, right? If not, you may find the person you are trying to convert is better versed in the Bible than you. Remember that atheists live in a world that is mostly religious. They’ve had to defend their beliefs much more than a Christian who lives in a mostly Christian society would. So, they’re generally good at it.”

How to Persuade an Atheist to Become Christian (with Pictures)

No, you responded to my argument about the Crucifixion contradiction. A post which I promptly responded to. Perhaps YOU need to pay closer attention. I’m talking about a new argument about the GENEALOGY of Jesus. Look up those verses and tell me what you notice.

Your last paragraph is a total son-sequitur, so there’s not much left to say in this post…
End.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< We are the largest charitable organization in the world >>>[/quote]And that’s all you are.
[/quote]

Where is your proof that the body of Christ, the Church is only the largest charitable organization in the world.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I stand up on my soap box for four hours at a time, two times a month with my big beard, black clothes, and my big crucifix sitting on my gut while verbally disemboweling hecklers’ and Protestants’ arguments alike. >>>[/quote]The ministry and gift of disembowelment? Oh Lord Jesus don’t let me die before visiting Chris’s soapbox =] I promise I will make no attempt to disembowel him.

Disemboweling…arguments. I’m not up there with a zipper knife unless you consider my tongue. Don’t worry, wouldn’t happen if you tried.

I’m praying somehow the Guild will be get started up full steam ahead in a few years.

[Tiribulus]

[quote]jakerz96 wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< We are the largest charitable organization in the world >>>[/quote]And that’s all you are.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
<<< I stand up on my soap box for four hours at a time, two times a month with my big beard, black clothes, and my big crucifix sitting on my gut while verbally disemboweling hecklers’ and Protestants’ arguments alike. >>>[/quote]The ministry and gift of disembowelment? Oh Lord Jesus don’t let me die before visiting Chris’s soapbox =] I promise I will make no attempt to disembowel him.
[/quote]
I think you two just like to banter. I must say though that the Catholic Church is a lot more than just a charitable organization, but I know we won’t agree on what it is. Tiribulus, would you be open to a book exchange? If so let me know and we can swap addresses via PM and I’ll send you one and you send me one (I like short books). Also just curious sense we are over here in PWI does everyone in this thread still train actively?[/quote]Legs today. Very actively. I am not immediately averse to your idea.