[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
You say you’re done, but I have a feeling you aren’t capable of such a thing.[/quote]
Piss off Ryuu.[/quote]
Hmm? I’m pretty sure I wasn’t talking to you.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
You say you’re done, but I have a feeling you aren’t capable of such a thing.[/quote]
Watch me.
P.S. Didn’t know I was arguing with a teenage, waste of my time.[/quote]
Had to get one last ad-hominem attack in there didn’t you 
You’re older, sure, but you’re very childish none the less.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Lol. The bible is full of errors and contradictions, but that’s okay because it’s only THE BIBLE! The inerrant word of God doesn’t need to be inerrant, it’s not some history book, it’s just a book of (supposed) historical events… way different!!!
Clearly by pointing out these abhorrent flaws I am making the logical fallacy of… being accurate.
Boy, I sure am glad you all took the time to tell me I was wrong, you know, without actually showing the flaws in mt logic, because otherwise I’d be some heathenish SCIENTIST or something childish like that. =3[/quote]
Oh, that was logic?
You talk to much and listen to little. The bible is what it is, I make no apologies for it, but I am pretty sure I know it far better than you. If you don’t like, don’t read it, it’s blatant that you have not. It is no concern of mine. I don’t care. [/quote]
I haven’t read the bible? Why? Because I don’t agree with it? That exact same argument could be used to “justify” ANY religion.
Besides, I’ve listed several verses, all related to the topic at hand, was this just a coincidence? I just typed a name and some numbers and it just happened to fit? Hmm?[/quote]
No, because you don’t know what your talking about.[/quote]
How so? Be specific. [/quote]
All your ‘arguments’ have been made by other athiests. They got them from virtually same sources but unfortunately for you they provided the links. So you ain’t breaking any new ground, I have seen in all before. Same exact things.
So you reckon your self a biblical scholar do you? These questions should be easy for you then, we’ll do a little test.
Who wrote the bible?
When was it written?
Who removed books from the bible and why? What books were they?
Which books got put back?
Google away…[/quote]
Didn’t you JUST say you didn’t want to talk to me? Did you just change your mind real quick?
Again you proclaim such simplicity in debunking my arguments, but make no effort whatsoever to do so. I call bullshit.
WTF? You already acknowledge that all these questions could be answered by anyone capable of maneuvering Google, but proceed to ask as though these questions will prove anything either way?
You’re not an intelligent man, Pat. If you’re going to talk to me anyway you might as well bring up arguments relative to my argument, is that so damn hard?[/quote]
Obviously you can’t read a time stamp, nimrod. Why are you talking to me?[/quote]
This post was after the one where you said you weren’t going to talk to me, therefore it came later. Interesting how many messgaes you’ve sent me after saying you weren’t going to, though. =/
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
You say you’re done, but I have a feeling you aren’t capable of such a thing.[/quote]
Piss off Ryuu.[/quote]
Hmm? I’m pretty sure I wasn’t talking to you.[/quote]
Don’t care.
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Lol. The bible is full of errors and contradictions, but that’s okay because it’s only THE BIBLE! The inerrant word of God doesn’t need to be inerrant, it’s not some history book, it’s just a book of (supposed) historical events… way different!!!
Clearly by pointing out these abhorrent flaws I am making the logical fallacy of… being accurate.
Boy, I sure am glad you all took the time to tell me I was wrong, you know, without actually showing the flaws in mt logic, because otherwise I’d be some heathenish SCIENTIST or something childish like that. =3[/quote]
Oh, that was logic?
You talk to much and listen to little. The bible is what it is, I make no apologies for it, but I am pretty sure I know it far better than you. If you don’t like, don’t read it, it’s blatant that you have not. It is no concern of mine. I don’t care. [/quote]
I haven’t read the bible? Why? Because I don’t agree with it? That exact same argument could be used to “justify” ANY religion.
Besides, I’ve listed several verses, all related to the topic at hand, was this just a coincidence? I just typed a name and some numbers and it just happened to fit? Hmm?[/quote]
No, because you don’t know what your talking about.[/quote]
How so? Be specific. [/quote]
All your ‘arguments’ have been made by other athiests. They got them from virtually same sources but unfortunately for you they provided the links. So you ain’t breaking any new ground, I have seen in all before. Same exact things.
So you reckon your self a biblical scholar do you? These questions should be easy for you then, we’ll do a little test.
Who wrote the bible?
When was it written?
Who removed books from the bible and why? What books were they?
Which books got put back?
Google away…[/quote]
Didn’t you JUST say you didn’t want to talk to me? Did you just change your mind real quick?
Again you proclaim such simplicity in debunking my arguments, but make no effort whatsoever to do so. I call bullshit.
WTF? You already acknowledge that all these questions could be answered by anyone capable of maneuvering Google, but proceed to ask as though these questions will prove anything either way?
You’re not an intelligent man, Pat. If you’re going to talk to me anyway you might as well bring up arguments relative to my argument, is that so damn hard?[/quote]
Come on, dude…is it really necessary insult his intelligence? Pat is a bright guy, and is more open minded than many religious folks I’ve met. For that matter, Tiribulus is intelligent as well. There’s no correlation between intelligence and religious beliefs. Some of the brightest people on the planet are believers.
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No, Pat is not a bright guy. His argument is essentially “sure, the bible has flaws, but that’s okay I still take it has 100% indisputable fact!” – intelligent persons don’t do this to themselves.
Despite what you believe, religion DOES correlate with intelligence and as the studies show, atheists score six points higher on the aggregate (controlled for G): Religiosity and intelligence - Wikipedia
Lastly, I’ve never really talked to Tiribulus so I can’t say either way about him.
[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
You say you’re done, but I have a feeling you aren’t capable of such a thing.[/quote]
Piss off Ryuu.[/quote]
Hmm? I’m pretty sure I wasn’t talking to you.[/quote]
Don’t care.[/quote]
Don’t care so much you butted into someone elses conversation? Oooooooookay Mr. Internet-tough-guy.
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< And your logic is that you had a personal experience that you have no other explanation for other than “god chose you”.[/quote]And that is THEE most precious and glorious explanation of all. I do pray that you one day have that testimony. When you have feasted on His love and mercy and glimpsed His beautiful face it is more than crystal clear.
[/quote]
But according to you, this poor bastard is going to hell along with the people he helps…What tragic world you live in…
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/01/cnnheroes.roth/index.html?hpt=T2[/quote]
As much as it is painful to say, unless this gentleman accepts Christ, he is.
Don’t you believe Christ is the only way to salvation?[/quote]
Don’t you believe that baptism saves you? Don’t you believe that God does not make vain covenants?
John 14:6, I am the truth…henceforth you know him and have seen him.
Matthew 25:37-40, Lord, when did we see thee? Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me…the just [go] into life everlasting.
[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
<<< Along with what you mean by “works intended to recommend us to God”? I don’t want that to be the focus of this discussion. I am just curious what you meant by that. Mostly I want to continue along the topic we were on, faith, man, God, good works, grace, and their interplay (in both theory and practice).[/quote]But that IS the issue. I gotta tell ya man. I am wearing out. Maybe I shouldn’t be, but I have lots to think about and I have typed my fingers bloody on every aspect of all this 20 times each already.
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I’ll make ya a deal. You say you’ve read a lot of Calvinistic materials. You may have, but it sure doesn’t seem like you have a very solid understanding of that theology. I truly mean that as no offense, but you’re asking me questions that should have already been long answered to someone who’s even read a short pamphlet on the TULIP outline which you actually asked me about.
Here’s my deal if you’re really interested. Read at least several pages of that Van Til piece, but preferably the whole thing and we’ll talk from there. What he propounds there is the foundation of every firing of every synapse in my brain. However ,as he says, the unregenerate will not get it. That is precisely what the doctrines of sin and death and new life in the reformed tradition (yes, we have tradition, never have denied that) which is really just the simple pure gospel, is all about. Wadda ya say?
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OK, I’ll come clean with you (well mostly). I don’t like to play all my cards at once if you understand my meaning. Perhaps I have feigned ignorance to some degree, but I think if you go back and look at my questions they were about and directed to you and what you thought not what was meant by TULIP for instance. I am and was interested in what you had to say (not Calvin as I know what he wrote).
I read your excerpt from Van Til and I understand what he is saying, but he makes an absolute caricature of the arminian (Mr. Grey) which does not exactly relate to the Catholic anyway. I’ll expound on this some more later, but I’ve got no time now.[/quote]I don’t have time now either. I intended nothing whatever to be stated directly about catholicism with that piece though they would be in Mr. Grey’s general camp. Witness my beloved friend Pat. My intention was a concise expose of what makes the self consciously Calvinistic mind tick and that from a master. I hope you at least found it interesting. It is the polar opposite of Aquinas who absolutely IS the epistemological master of your church.
I believe TULIP:
Total inability (to please God without special grace);
Unconditional election;
Limited intent (for the atonement’s efficacy);
Intrinsically efficacious grace (for salvation);
Perseverance of the elect (until the end of life).
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< And your logic is that you had a personal experience that you have no other explanation for other than “god chose you”.[/quote]And that is THEE most precious and glorious explanation of all. I do pray that you one day have that testimony. When you have feasted on His love and mercy and glimpsed His beautiful face it is more than crystal clear.
[/quote]
But according to you, this poor bastard is going to hell along with the people he helps…What tragic world you live in…
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/01/cnnheroes.roth/index.html?hpt=T2[/quote]
As much as it is painful to say, unless this gentleman accepts Christ, he is.
Don’t you believe Christ is the only way to salvation?[/quote]
Don’t you believe that baptism saves you? Don’t you believe that God does not make vain covenants?
John 14:6, I am the truth…henceforth you know him and have seen him.
Matthew 25:37-40, Lord, when did we see thee? Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me…the just [go] into life everlasting.[/quote]
Yes I do believe baptism is essential for salvation. But the man in the article doesn’t seem like he believes in Christ nor was baptized (I don’t know, it didn’t say).
So if he doesn’t believe and is not baptized, he has not faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. So according to scriptures, he is on a path to hell.
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Liberal professors?.. Okay o.O
Not only have I read the bible in its entirety, but I’ve read several translations of it.[/quote]
Oh? What was your favorite translation and why? or least favorite…Mostly interested in the why…[/quote]
Is this your best attempt at establishing that I don’t know the bible? Anyone could answer this question within 5 minutes via google.
I have a better idea, next time try to find an actual flaw in my arguement to establish my lack of biblical knowledge. [/quote]
You said you read several translations whole bible several times in it’s entirety, I want to know which translations and why you did not like them. Because I think you lied because you
don’t know what you talk about…But you can cut and paste like a mother fucker.
As far as I know, all you said, in very long prose is, that there is contradiction in the bible. I agree, I know there is. I don’t have to watch cartoons to figure that out.
A math book doesn’t often accurately define what an onomatopoeia is, but it has nothing to do with the purpose of the book or what the book actually is. Somebody who read the bible would know that.
You don’t have to like it, read it or anything. It’s not an issue to me. You’re entitled to your opinion. You think it’s bunk, then don’t waste your time with it. I couldn’t care less if I tried.[/quote]
If he’s 20 years old and has already read several versions of the Bible that means he must have begun at a very early age and read on a regular basis. And then when he was finished decided that all the reading was a waste because of certain contradictions. And those contradictions were only noticed after he was finished reading that one final version.
(clears throat) You think he’s lying huh?
[/quote]
I’m not an idiot. I know certain versions translates certain verses differently. It’s only logical that I look into them before debating about it.
FYI, the bible is actually a pretty easy book to get through (especially the new testiment). It hardly takes years to get through a few versions. [/quote]
If you dedicate some serious time to read several pages a day and have nothing else going on in your life you might be able to get through many versions of it in several years time. That is reading and understanding what you’ve read. But once again if you’re around 20 years old that means you got a sudden desire as a teenager to read several versions of the Bible and then at some point came to the conclusions that it was all just a big lie. Do you see why your story is hard to swallow?
I’d like to introduce you to a young man about your age named Ryan. Ryan is in college too, and the two of you seem to have quite a lot in common. You are both barely into your 20’s (if that) and you both know just about every dang thing there is to know. He has the economic system figured out and thinks that socialism is the way to go. And you? Well you have the universe figured out and know without question that there is no God and the Bible is wrong. Wow…you two guys are really shmart. (Eye Roll)
Isn’t the Internet wonderful? I wonder what you guys would be doing if there were no Internet? Probably just pissing off other guys your age who didn’t have anything else to do either.
Keep em coming kid you’re a real beauty!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Liberal professors?.. Okay o.O
Not only have I read the bible in its entirety, but I’ve read several translations of it.[/quote]
Oh? What was your favorite translation and why? or least favorite…Mostly interested in the why…[/quote]
Is this your best attempt at establishing that I don’t know the bible? Anyone could answer this question within 5 minutes via google.
I have a better idea, next time try to find an actual flaw in my arguement to establish my lack of biblical knowledge. [/quote]
You said you read several translations whole bible several times in it’s entirety, I want to know which translations and why you did not like them. Because I think you lied because you
don’t know what you talk about…But you can cut and paste like a mother fucker.
As far as I know, all you said, in very long prose is, that there is contradiction in the bible. I agree, I know there is. I don’t have to watch cartoons to figure that out.
A math book doesn’t often accurately define what an onomatopoeia is, but it has nothing to do with the purpose of the book or what the book actually is. Somebody who read the bible would know that.
You don’t have to like it, read it or anything. It’s not an issue to me. You’re entitled to your opinion. You think it’s bunk, then don’t waste your time with it. I couldn’t care less if I tried.[/quote]
If he’s 20 years old and has already read several versions of the Bible that means he must have begun at a very early age and read on a regular basis. And then when he was finished decided that all the reading was a waste because of certain contradictions. And those contradictions were only noticed after he was finished reading that one final version.
(clears throat) You think he’s lying huh?
[/quote]
I’m not an idiot. I know certain versions translates certain verses differently. It’s only logical that I look into them before debating about it.
FYI, the bible is actually a pretty easy book to get through (especially the new testiment). It hardly takes years to get through a few versions. [/quote]
If you dedicate some serious time to read several pages a day and have nothing else going on in your life you might be able to get through many versions of it in several years time. That is reading and understanding what you’ve read. But once again if you’re around 20 years old that means you got a sudden desire as a teenager to read several versions of the Bible and then at some point came to the conclusions that it was all just a big lie. Do you see why your story is hard to swallow?
I’d like to introduce you to a young man about your age named Ryan. Ryan is in college too, and the two of you seem to have quite a lot in common. You are both barely into your 20’s (if that) and you both know just about every dang thing there is to know. He has the economic system figured out and thinks that socialism is the way to go. And you? Well you have the universe figured out and know without question that there is no God and the Bible is wrong. Wow…you two guys are really shmart. (Eye Roll)
Isn’t the Internet wonderful? I wonder what you guys would be doing if there were no Internet? Probably just pissing off other guys your age who didn’t have anything else to do either.
Keep em coming kid you’re a real beauty!
[/quote]
Perhaps it would take YOU several years of no-lifing the bible to get through it, but then again you still think this shit is true! Personally, I find Steven King’s books to be more believable and harder to read through.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I believe TULIP:
Total inability (to please God without special grace);
Unconditional election;
Limited intent (for the atonement’s efficacy);
Intrinsically efficacious grace (for salvation);
Perseverance of the elect (until the end of life).[/quote]Well welcome aboard!!!
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Liberal professors?.. Okay o.O
Not only have I read the bible in its entirety, but I’ve read several translations of it.[/quote]
Oh? What was your favorite translation and why? or least favorite…Mostly interested in the why…[/quote]
Is this your best attempt at establishing that I don’t know the bible? Anyone could answer this question within 5 minutes via google.
I have a better idea, next time try to find an actual flaw in my arguement to establish my lack of biblical knowledge. [/quote]
You said you read several translations whole bible several times in it’s entirety, I want to know which translations and why you did not like them. Because I think you lied because you
don’t know what you talk about…But you can cut and paste like a mother fucker.
As far as I know, all you said, in very long prose is, that there is contradiction in the bible. I agree, I know there is. I don’t have to watch cartoons to figure that out.
A math book doesn’t often accurately define what an onomatopoeia is, but it has nothing to do with the purpose of the book or what the book actually is. Somebody who read the bible would know that.
You don’t have to like it, read it or anything. It’s not an issue to me. You’re entitled to your opinion. You think it’s bunk, then don’t waste your time with it. I couldn’t care less if I tried.[/quote]
If he’s 20 years old and has already read several versions of the Bible that means he must have begun at a very early age and read on a regular basis. And then when he was finished decided that all the reading was a waste because of certain contradictions. And those contradictions were only noticed after he was finished reading that one final version.
(clears throat) You think he’s lying huh?
[/quote]
I’m not an idiot. I know certain versions translates certain verses differently. It’s only logical that I look into them before debating about it.
FYI, the bible is actually a pretty easy book to get through (especially the new testiment). It hardly takes years to get through a few versions. [/quote]
If you dedicate some serious time to read several pages a day and have nothing else going on in your life you might be able to get through many versions of it in several years time. That is reading and understanding what you’ve read. But once again if you’re around 20 years old that means you got a sudden desire as a teenager to read several versions of the Bible and then at some point came to the conclusions that it was all just a big lie. Do you see why your story is hard to swallow?
I’d like to introduce you to a young man about your age named Ryan. Ryan is in college too, and the two of you seem to have quite a lot in common. You are both barely into your 20’s (if that) and you both know just about every dang thing there is to know. He has the economic system figured out and thinks that socialism is the way to go. And you? Well you have the universe figured out and know without question that there is no God and the Bible is wrong. Wow…you two guys are really shmart. (Eye Roll)
Isn’t the Internet wonderful? I wonder what you guys would be doing if there were no Internet? Probably just pissing off other guys your age who didn’t have anything else to do either.
Keep em coming kid you’re a real beauty!
[/quote]
Perhaps it would take YOU several years of no-lifing the bible to get through it, but then again you still think this shit is true! Personally, I find Steven King’s books to be more believable and harder to read through. [/quote]
Then why did Yale and Harvard both teach Paul’s writings as great acccurate works of literature long before there was an attack on God?
Tell me if you know everything at the age of 20 what do you have left to learn? Life is really going to be boring for the next 60 or 70 years isn’t it?
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< And your logic is that you had a personal experience that you have no other explanation for other than “god chose you”.[/quote]And that is THEE most precious and glorious explanation of all. I do pray that you one day have that testimony. When you have feasted on His love and mercy and glimpsed His beautiful face it is more than crystal clear.
[/quote]
But according to you, this poor bastard is going to hell along with the people he helps…What tragic world you live in…
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/01/cnnheroes.roth/index.html?hpt=T2[/quote]
As much as it is painful to say, unless this gentleman accepts Christ, he is.
Don’t you believe Christ is the only way to salvation?[/quote]
Don’t you believe that baptism saves you? Don’t you believe that God does not make vain covenants?
John 14:6, I am the truth…henceforth you know him and have seen him.
Matthew 25:37-40, Lord, when did we see thee? Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me…the just [go] into life everlasting.[/quote]
Yes I do believe baptism is essential for salvation. But the man in the article doesn’t seem like he believes in Christ nor was baptized (I don’t know, it didn’t say).
So if he doesn’t believe and is not baptized, he has not faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. So according to scriptures, he is on a path to hell.[/quote]
Romans 2:25, “Circumcision profiteth indeed, if thou keep the law; but if thou be a transgressor of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.”
Romans 3:1-2, "What advantage then hath the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much every way. First indeed, because the words of God were committed to them.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I believe TULIP:
Total inability (to please God without special grace);
Unconditional election;
Limited intent (for the atonement’s efficacy);
Intrinsically efficacious grace (for salvation);
Perseverance of the elect (until the end of life).[/quote]Well welcome aboard!!!
[/quote]
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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Lol. The bible is full of errors and contradictions, but that’s okay because it’s only THE BIBLE! The inerrant word of God doesn’t need to be inerrant, it’s not some history book, it’s just a book of (supposed) historical events… way different!!!
Clearly by pointing out these abhorrent flaws I am making the logical fallacy of… being accurate.
Boy, I sure am glad you all took the time to tell me I was wrong, you know, without actually showing the flaws in mt logic, because otherwise I’d be some heathenish SCIENTIST or something childish like that. =3[/quote]
Oh, that was logic?
You talk to much and listen to little. The bible is what it is, I make no apologies for it, but I am pretty sure I know it far better than you. If you don’t like, don’t read it, it’s blatant that you have not. It is no concern of mine. I don’t care. [/quote]
I haven’t read the bible? Why? Because I don’t agree with it? That exact same argument could be used to “justify” ANY religion.
Besides, I’ve listed several verses, all related to the topic at hand, was this just a coincidence? I just typed a name and some numbers and it just happened to fit? Hmm?[/quote]
No, because you don’t know what your talking about.[/quote]
How so? Be specific. [/quote]
All your ‘arguments’ have been made by other athiests. They got them from virtually same sources but unfortunately for you they provided the links. So you ain’t breaking any new ground, I have seen in all before. Same exact things.
So you reckon your self a biblical scholar do you? These questions should be easy for you then, we’ll do a little test.
Who wrote the bible?
When was it written?
Who removed books from the bible and why? What books were they?
Which books got put back?
Google away…[/quote]
Didn’t you JUST say you didn’t want to talk to me? Did you just change your mind real quick?
Again you proclaim such simplicity in debunking my arguments, but make no effort whatsoever to do so. I call bullshit.
WTF? You already acknowledge that all these questions could be answered by anyone capable of maneuvering Google, but proceed to ask as though these questions will prove anything either way?
You’re not an intelligent man, Pat. If you’re going to talk to me anyway you might as well bring up arguments relative to my argument, is that so damn hard?[/quote]
Come on, dude…is it really necessary insult his intelligence? Pat is a bright guy, and is more open minded than many religious folks I’ve met. For that matter, Tiribulus is intelligent as well. There’s no correlation between intelligence and religious beliefs. Some of the brightest people on the planet are believers.
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No, Pat is not a bright guy. His argument is essentially “sure, the bible has flaws, but that’s okay I still take it has 100% indisputable fact!” – intelligent persons don’t do this to themselves.
Despite what you believe, religion DOES correlate with intelligence and as the studies show, atheists score six points higher on the aggregate (controlled for G): Religiosity and intelligence - Wikipedia
Lastly, I’ve never really talked to Tiribulus so I can’t say either way about him.[/quote]
Says the idiot who says somebody said something, they did not say. Oh, wait. Let’s lie about reading several translations of the bible, but cannot attest to one of them.
And I thought Justin beaver was a tool.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]forbes wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< And your logic is that you had a personal experience that you have no other explanation for other than “god chose you”.[/quote]And that is THEE most precious and glorious explanation of all. I do pray that you one day have that testimony. When you have feasted on His love and mercy and glimpsed His beautiful face it is more than crystal clear.
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But according to you, this poor bastard is going to hell along with the people he helps…What tragic world you live in…
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/01/cnnheroes.roth/index.html?hpt=T2[/quote]
As much as it is painful to say, unless this gentleman accepts Christ, he is.
Don’t you believe Christ is the only way to salvation?[/quote]
Don’t you believe that baptism saves you? Don’t you believe that God does not make vain covenants?
John 14:6, I am the truth…henceforth you know him and have seen him.
Matthew 25:37-40, Lord, when did we see thee? Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me…the just [go] into life everlasting.[/quote]
Nice job BC…
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Lol. The bible is full of errors and contradictions, but that’s okay because it’s only THE BIBLE! The inerrant word of God doesn’t need to be inerrant, it’s not some history book, it’s just a book of (supposed) historical events… way different!!!
Clearly by pointing out these abhorrent flaws I am making the logical fallacy of… being accurate.
Boy, I sure am glad you all took the time to tell me I was wrong, you know, without actually showing the flaws in mt logic, because otherwise I’d be some heathenish SCIENTIST or something childish like that. =3[/quote]
Oh, that was logic?
You talk to much and listen to little. The bible is what it is, I make no apologies for it, but I am pretty sure I know it far better than you. If you don’t like, don’t read it, it’s blatant that you have not. It is no concern of mine. I don’t care. [/quote]
I haven’t read the bible? Why? Because I don’t agree with it? That exact same argument could be used to “justify” ANY religion.
Besides, I’ve listed several verses, all related to the topic at hand, was this just a coincidence? I just typed a name and some numbers and it just happened to fit? Hmm?[/quote]
No, because you don’t know what your talking about.[/quote]
How so? Be specific. [/quote]
All your ‘arguments’ have been made by other athiests. They got them from virtually same sources but unfortunately for you they provided the links. So you ain’t breaking any new ground, I have seen in all before. Same exact things.
So you reckon your self a biblical scholar do you? These questions should be easy for you then, we’ll do a little test.
Who wrote the bible?
When was it written?
Who removed books from the bible and why? What books were they?
Which books got put back?
Google away…[/quote]
Didn’t you JUST say you didn’t want to talk to me? Did you just change your mind real quick?
Again you proclaim such simplicity in debunking my arguments, but make no effort whatsoever to do so. I call bullshit.
WTF? You already acknowledge that all these questions could be answered by anyone capable of maneuvering Google, but proceed to ask as though these questions will prove anything either way?
You’re not an intelligent man, Pat. If you’re going to talk to me anyway you might as well bring up arguments relative to my argument, is that so damn hard?[/quote]
Come on, dude…is it really necessary insult his intelligence? Pat is a bright guy, and is more open minded than many religious folks I’ve met. For that matter, Tiribulus is intelligent as well. There’s no correlation between intelligence and religious beliefs. Some of the brightest people on the planet are believers.
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No, Pat is not a bright guy. His argument is essentially “sure, the bible has flaws, but that’s okay I still take it has 100% indisputable fact!” – intelligent persons don’t do this to themselves.
Despite what you believe, religion DOES correlate with intelligence and as the studies show, atheists score six points higher on the aggregate (controlled for G): Religiosity and intelligence - Wikipedia
Lastly, I’ve never really talked to Tiribulus so I can’t say either way about him.[/quote]
Says the idiot who says somebody said something, they did not say. Oh, wait. Let’s lie about reading several translations of the bible, but cannot attest to one of them.
And I thought Justin beaver was a tool.[/quote]
Pat how many times have we seen this type of approach? The funny part is the kid thinks he’s original LOL- That’s one reason I walked away when he first came in, this act is getting old.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Isn’t the Internet wonderful? I wonder what you guys would be doing if there were no Internet? Probably just pissing off other guys your age who didn’t have anything else to do either.
Keep em coming kid you’re a real beauty!
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We should leave Yu gi oh! alone, he’s hanging himself.