[quote]toejam wrote:
i’ve just read wher obama is going to make more use of the exec privalige once he takes over, to get things moving quicker. with regards to surpreme court ruling, can he do this w/ guns?can i person over step the high court ruling?[/quote]
First the bill has to pass both houses of Congress before he can sign it into law. How much influence he has over Congress obviously remains to be seen.
Nevertheless, I’m currently getting my ticket to wait in line for an M-4.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
johnnytang24 wrote:
I don’t mind police tracing and monitoring guns, except when it means I’ll have to fill out a dozen more forms and register every round of ammo I own.
I wouldn’t mind closing the gun show loophole, if anyone could explain exactly what that loophole is.
I wouldn’t mind some commonsense measures, but who decides what’s common, and what’s sensible?
As for the assault weapons ban, there already is a ban on the manufacture and sale of assault weapons (except those grandfathered in), so there’s no need for another. Especially one that only restricts guns based on appearance.
Closing the ‘gun show loophole’ doesn’t really make sense. It’s that private individuals can sell to other private individuals at gun shows without licensing or any monitoring. Yet, it doesn’t result in much crime. As I said, only 2% of the guns used in violent crimes were purchased this way.
I agree that many of the measures Obama proposes aren’t appropriate. But some people are opposed to any regulation at all, whether or not it really infringe on rights in any way, just for the sake of being so. Tha’s silly. And not helpful.
I also don’t think it’s fair to reject every measure that imposes some burden on gun owners just for that reason alone. With rights come responsibilities. Every other constitutional right also has responsibilities and limitations that go along with it. Even the right of free speech, which is most assuredly one of the main precepts our country was founded on, does not provide the unqualified to say whatever you want in any circumstance. [/quote]
How many forms and licenses do you have to get to practice freedom of speech? Do you think making people get licenses to practice their religion would be seen as an assault on that freedom?
Further, if you don?t think freedom of speech is under assault in today?s PC, lawsuit filing world, you need to wake up.
doug adams. with exec privalige he does not need senate or house to vote for it. he just decides “hey this is the way it’s going to be” and signs a exec order. can he do this with regards to supreme courts june ruling? i’d bet my bottom dollar he has his people checking into this.my quess is w/ assault weapons then handguns.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
… he’d look at the data and ban the guns that were most used in crimes.
I disagree. Banning the guns is not the solution in any scenario. This is no different than any other gun ban.[/quote]
I know. I’m just providing a rationale for why Obama doesn’t really care about gun crime at all.
[quote]toejam wrote:
doug adams. with exec privalige he does not need senate or house to vote for it. he just decides “hey this is the way it’s going to be” and signs a exec order. can he do this with regards to supreme courts june ruling? i’d bet my bottom dollar he has his people checking into this.my quess is w/ assault weapons then handguns.[/quote]
“Executive Privilege” is something else all together different from the president’s rule making power.
In essence, the President has no power to make laws, only the power to write rules and regulations to clarify or carry out powers given to his office by the Constitution or laws properly enacted by Congress.
loose tool, you leave me a bit confused here.if the pres has no power to make laws how did bush stop funding for stem cell research? or stop the use of federal $$ in abortion? those were all exec orders. couldn’t obama apply the same principals?
[quote]toejam wrote:
loose tool, you leave me a bit confused here.if the pres has no power to make laws how did bush stop funding for stem cell research? or stop the use of federal $$ in abortion? those were all exec orders. couldn’t obama apply the same principals?[/quote]
That’s funding for programs, not law. The executive branch cuts or adds funding all the time, due to the budget or, well, other interests.
[quote]toejam wrote:
loose tool, you leave me a bit confused here.if the pres has no power to make laws how did bush stop funding for stem cell research? or stop the use of federal $$ in abortion? those were all exec orders. couldn’t obama apply the same principals?[/quote]
Your confusion is natural. Presidents have tended make rules that arguably usurps Congressional lawmaking power.
well cnn just reported that obama wants to (again) stop assualt rifle sales, plus stop people from concealed weapons. looks like car jackings and robberys on the street are gonna skyrocket.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Where are all the guys on this board who said Obama wouldn’t make a grab for guns because he now has a new point of view?
This is just the beginning too. Wait till Obama’s economic package makes the economy worse and crime goes up as a result. It will give him the perfect excuse to ratchet up the restrictions even further resulting in more crime and another excuse for more restrictions.
The Republicans had better get their shit together and start being a lot less polarizing otherwise eight years from now there very little you can own if anything.[/quote]
My thoughts exactly Sifu.
If this douchebag does what he says he will crime will go up. The criminals are going to have guns no matter what, the law abiding private citizen won’t.
The only saving grace BO may have is this “citizen army” he wants to start. I think he will have lots of success with that because alot of people don’t want to have to worry about protecting themselves, they want someone else to do it. The 5-30 minite police response time isn’t worth it to me if some drug crazed thug decides to come at me or my family.