I think someone would if they thought their sacrifice would ‘save’ the republican party from it’s latest massive shift.
I don’t think for a second that it’ll matter, as there’s no going back, but I could see plenty of Republicans that believed in the old ways thinking there’s a chance.
Rip fiscal conservatism. It’s a strange day when the Democrats wear that crown.
That’s funny considering that Trump has spoken about changing laws regarding free speech and has championed stop and frisk. Has Trump ever criticized NYC gun laws (has Rudy?)? And social mores? Trump, really?
There is no going back. It’s just like their coddling of the religious right.
Was referring to you calling me a tribalist, not your opinions on Trump or party or whatever.
Edit didnt see what post you were answering.
You guys thinking that we wouldnt like a candidate professing many of the things Trump campaigned on (irrespective of his lying, not following through, being stonewalled at virtually every turn, flip flops - but immigration reform, border security, against abortion, etc) but not having the personality of Trump is wrong.
The issue is that when you hold an opposing view (say on homosexuals getting married), Libs screech that conservatives are blind, backward, have no morals, or whatever and all of that is because we don’t denounce Trump night and frigging day.
Guess what? We really hold to these positions.
I don’t want unfettered open borders because eventually the lifeboat is full and will sink. I dont want homosexuals getting married because my holy book says God created marriage between a man and a woman. I dont want government directing my every healthcare issue, just because l don’t.
I also dont pretend that there is any man anywhere that holds all of the same views as treco other than treco. And since they don’t, they are the devil or an idiot. That is straight up narscisism (sp).
But l don’t mind coming here and voicing my opinion or analysis, just like l do with other like minded people or even opposite minded like all of my immediate family.
Her policy proposals are… And I support zero far left policies. My family risked literally their lives in order to escape communist-socialism. I will be hot damned if I am going to export that socio-economic\ political travesty of a system we escaped from and export it to the land we came to, to run from it. Fuck that.
Which you are. This last post shows that.
How about taking one issue at a time. If we are talking about gay marriage then yes, those opposed to it, and it is not all conservatives who oppose it and it’s not all liberals who don’t, are those things. One could easily say that gay marriage has nothing to do with conservatism (unless you are thinking socially conservative, not politically).
And let’s not pretend that conservatives don’t attack liberals for being blind, “progressive,” and having no morals. This is why I call you a tribalist.
Democrats do? This is people confusing terms like open borders with zero border security. They can thank their “news” sources for that deliberate confusion. Exactly how many illegals did Obama (the socialist Muslim dictator in chief from Kenya) have arrested and sent back? Hint: it was more than one.
The same God who said slavery is OK. Who said genocide was OK. Who said capital punishment for crimes other than murder was OK. The same God who Himself killed children. So the truth isn’t that you don’t support gay marriage because of God, but because you don’t like gays. Own it.
So is thinking that others need to conform to your irrational beliefs (religion is an irrational belief by definition). Meaning, you believe it’s true so it must be, even though you cannot prove it. God told you gays should not marry. OK, don’t marry another man. Why does your faith have to affect everyone else? Could it be: narcissism. And how is that different from the sjws who want everyone to do as they say?
I would like to believe a nation founded on our principles can not only survive difference of opinion but should welcome it. She does not represent every liberal. She doesn’t represent the majority of liberals. She does not want the same government or economic system as the USSR or China. She’s a bourgeois socialist at best. Not voting for a democrat because of her would be like not voting for a republican because of David Duke.
You beat me to it, @zecarlo.
As far as I’m concerned; Trumpublicans (and Evangelicals) have lost (in my mind) to even let things like “social mores” leave their lips…and certainly not in the judgment of others…after embracing Trump they way they did, and continue to do.
And this again (in my opinion) doesn’t have a damn thing to do with the DEMS, or AOC or anyone else. It has to do with looking in the mirror and checking yourself.
As a Christian, I do not understand how Trump has such a large evangelical (and other denominations) following. Its the blind leading blind. Any Evangelical who is truly a fan of Trump and states that his arrogant, egotistical and mysoginist ranting is ok (not just “he was better than the other choice”…which I get to some extent) I firmly believe has not read and understood their Bible the way it was intended or understood any of the lessons of the New Testament.
Trump could save himself a lot of grief by just putting the smartphone down and not talking occassionally, but he can’t help himself.
Edit: Sorry for the run on sentence there.
If someone is consistent then you can respect that but we are seeing hypocrisy in the name of tribalism disguised as faith.
Look at pat with regard to media coverage of Trump’s Tweets; he doesn’t mention Fox news and other right leaning sources turning AOC and the squad into boogeymen. Liberals aren’t supposed to fall for the leftist media hype but he and others on the right fall for their version of it from the right wing media. You have the left calling Trump Hitler and the right calling AOC Stalin (and Omar is Usama Bin Laden). You have the squad calling Trump a racist and you have Trump calling them the racists (but everyone is tired of hearing that word).
I don’t need a perfect candidate as a Christian voter, (we’re all sinners…redemption) but the man wouldn’t know humility or contrition if it slapped him in the mouth. His religiosity is about as sincere as a crocodile’s smile. And don’t get me started on the torture Olympics we were promised. No Christian has any business voting for that.
Hey news flash to you, @Mufasa, or others who think that tribalist is some deep cutting insult. You are like minded and since l don’t hold your same opinions, you would love to denigrate me. Literally that is the definition of tribalism.
I can only laugh at either of your supposed moral high ground based on your own relativism, as opposed to any higher power. You have made yourself a god. Maybe you should try to lay out some logical answer when flinging out your pithy comments, as typically there are insults with no reasoning attached.
I was an altar boy, so speak for yourself.
You need to stop trying to learn philosophy off Youtube. No one is using tribalist as an insult but as an accurate description of the motivation behind certain behaviors.
That is false and merely a way for you to justify your opinions without actually having to justify them. I support gay marriage not because of faith, or lack thereof, but because of the fact we are a nation that believes in freedom and equality under the law. I could personally find homosexuals disgusting perverts bound for hell but I can keep my personal beliefs from affecting how I treat others. So no, we are not like minded.
Another example of narcissism. Yes, we would love to do that because you are that important. But you are free to play the victim just like some sjw from Evergreen U.
I don’t think you are using that term correctly. However, you look at your own faith in terms of relativism. Why don’t we burn heretics anymore?
Wrong again. Reason is a higher power.
There really is nothing new under the sun. The same thing was said about New Age religion when I was a kid. And no, no one has made themselves a god however you claim to act on his behalf.
How do you use reason to argue against irrationality? In other words, you came to your beliefs irrationally so why should one expect that reason would change your mind? Isn’t faith belief in the face of reason?
I never, ever…or even implied…that I held some “moral high ground” or that I was someone better than someone else; either on this Forum or in my Life.
I call out hypocrisy when I see it thrown in my face on almost a daily basis when it comes to Trump.
Vote for and support who you want to, @treco…but don’t then turn around and judge people; by vastly different standards; then justify it under some vague sense of “morality”.
I wish more of my Christian brethren would understand this. God’s view and the law’s view are two distinct things. As Christians we are called to show love and respect to all humans regardless of whether or not we agee with them.
Back to the main point of this thread - if there were many more voices throughout both parties (and the government as whole) a lot more “greater good” type things would be accomplished.
What too many Christians fail to realize, because they let their personal prejudices get in the way, is that we are free to sin. If gay marriage is legal it doesn’t mean we are forcing gays to marry. They are free to make that choice. There are many sins which are not illegal. Should we make taking the Lord’s name in vain a crime? And if we don’t are we facilitating a sin? Christians are supposed to regulate their own behaviors and at most minister to those who don’t behave like proper Christians. Christians do not compel anyone to not sin. It defeats the purpose of faith and belief.
The problem is that the two main parties have little flexibility when it comes to their platforms. Even though it even creates contradictions within their platforms.
I believe that is what I said above. In the Christian view, the only person who can draw one away from sin is the Holy Spirit. Therefore, it is not my job to condemn or judge someone else’s actions (now this is difficult, since all humans naturally have some form of prejudice and are quick to judge). I can only show them love, compassion and respect and hope that through my actions they will see my faith and be curious enough to ask about it.
They don’t have diametrically opposed platforms.
That’s fine as far aa it goes, but your party won’t win all the time. And it isn’t solely about winning - because after winning comes governing. As a result, the other party is going to spend time governing - so it’s in your interests to care deeply about it.
The Democrats aren’t wanting to lead into totalitarianism, Good Lord. Your hysteria isn’t helping anything.
No, it wasn’t - anyone who puts party over country falls short of my definition of patriotic.