Because they won that war singlehandedly. On their own. Without any help from anybody.
Everybody was picking their noses, and they defeated the Nazis.
That’s what they’re tought in school.
We refer to WWII because it was the defining event of the 20th century. We are proud that we brought the collectivist, anti-individualist societies to their knees. We are proud that we restored freedom to much of the world, with the final victory coming with the destruction of the Soviet Union.
One proviso though: when the Europeans try to commit suicide again, maybe this time we’ll let 'em go for it. Rescuing Belgium, for ex, gets old after TWICE in one fucking century!
See what I mean?
Thanks for prooving my point HH.
Poor little Belgium…I think they have penis envy, what with the anti-Americanism there.
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I admit, while our penis is used for pissing and sex, you seem to use it for thinking as well. We really envy you for that.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Yes, of course, Canada is SO different than the US with respect to personal freedoms.
John, if the best you’ve got is that you don’t have to listen to people that don’t live where you live and think what you think, then you are an absolute fucking moron.
If you don’t understand why that is the case, then, again, you are an absolute fucking moron.
Also, don’t let HH encourage you, he is trolling and yanking your chain, just for sport, so he can watch you continue to make a fool of yourself.
Oh, I can hear the cries of indignation already.[/quote]
Ah, Vroomie is back to his old self at last. He tries to appear objective and above it all, but then, the ax comes through the door and we hear “Heeeerrrrreeee’s Johnny!” Welcome back, Vroomie!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Ah, Vroomie is back to his old self at last. He tries to appear objective and above it all, but then, the ax comes through the door and we hear “Heeeerrrrreeee’s Johnny!” Welcome back, Vroomie!
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I really like all these characterizations that people try to apply to me.
Perhaps you have an alternate interpretation of the issues involved to comment on? No? Is the quality of ones comments directly related to geography or how closely they align with your own?
These childish “tries to” characterizations are of your own making, not mine. I never promised you a rose garden…
[quote]unbending wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
And what freedoms have they curtailed?
The original statement you disputed was never about freedoms.
Straw man argument.
Here’s the original statement:
There are other similar laws that have been passed as a guise for security that actually are in show of corporate interests.[/quote]
Lifticus’ original complaint centered around restrictions on freedoms. Since he included “corporate interests” as “similar”, I asked for a clarification.
Asking my question can’t be a straw man, because I haven’t assumed a position that Lifticus doesn’t have - I am actually asking for a clarification of a position from him I don’t currently know.
Swing, and a miss. It’s fun to use phrases like “straw man”, though - makes you feel important, aye?
People have absolute freedom to try all kinds of drugs and substances (take steroids, for example). Then, in completely predictable fashion, people begin to use the drugs/substances in dangerous ways that hurt them or ultimately kill them.
Then what happens? The producers of said drugs/substances are likely corporations - most business organizations are. As such, a chorus would rise that the “corporations started selling these dangerous drugs/substances to people, exploiting their ignorance and the risks to make a a profit, and now we have all these people sick or dead!”
This, despite the fact that people should be responsible for the consequences of their own actions. But since the 1960s, when have we ever agreed with that? People get hurt because someone else took advantage of them - that is gospel.
Then, we would have calls for regulation to keep such risky drugs/substances out of the hands of people via regulations or banning.
This utopia of freedom of use of drugs would be directly interrupted by the very point you have made earlier about corporations being able to take advantage of people’s risk-taking/ignorance in the name of making a buck - that would be the fight song for those that wanted steroid companies to stop “preying” on people: “People are dying and the corporations that make them just continue to make money!!!”
There you have it. You don’t have to like it, but your problem is trying to square that circle, given your opinions.
Let me guess - you wrote this down because Chuckles mentioned it in a previous post instead of it being a legitimate gripe.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
This utopia of freedom of use of drugs would be directly interrupted by the very point you have made earlier about corporations being able to take advantage of people’s risk-taking/ignorance in the name of making a buck - that would be the fight song for those that wanted steroid companies to stop “preying” on people: “People are dying and the corporations that make them just continue to make money!!!”
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Yeah, I know its a double-edged sword. On one hand I want to be assured that the drugs I have to take for my health are safe but on the other hand I don’t think it should be the governments job to decide what drugs go to the market based on some “study” or perceived threat.
For non-Rx drugs such as vitamins and supplements companies should be held to their word and should have to prove ANY claim they make. I don’t think its in the government’s interest nor is it their job to do so. Buyer beware anyway.
Drugs should have to be tested by an independent 3rd party company paid for by the drug company–not US taxpayers.
Companies that are found guilty of taking advantage of people should have to pay the ultimate price of losing all their patents.
Though, still, caveat emptor.
No, I actually hate auto insurance laws. Why should it be my responsibility to have coverage in case some one else doesn’t. Liability, aside…why should my policy cover some other idiot that cannot drive? If I choose to not be insured it is my own undoing should I be at fault.
My biggest gripe is that in all the years I have had to pay for this service I have never had to use it yet my rates go up anyway. I have never seen one penny of any money I have ever paid. Had I the opportunity to actually invest this money into a savings account, for example, I would be covered if I should find myself needing it.
Are you that stupid you can’t see what I’m saying. As a citizen to a nation you do have some responsibility to help defend it. This in no way states I do not believe in freedom or I’m some commie. Get off the fucking weed next time you post something because I’ve been consistent in my posts.[/quote]
Just because I was born somewhere means shit.
If people do not want to fight to defend their government, their government probably was not worth fighting for.
You are consistent in your posts. You believe in liberal methods just not in liberal causes.
As I said, commie.
Don?t worry, that is was neo-conservatism is all about.
America, being the most moral country on earth, only introduces a draft during times of extreme danger — WWII, the Cold War, and so forth. As soon as a war is over, we usually ditch the draft pretty quickly, because we KNOW that forcing people to fight is immoral. We know that in a fight to the death, morality goes out the window.
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A right that can be taken away any time the government sees fit, is no right at all.
That they will only send you to fight if they think it is necessary is more or less a given and not an excuse.
America has lost its way in regard to the freedoms it promised 200 years ago.
Yeah? Do tell. What freedoms did you have then that you don’t have now?
Outside of property freedoms - but I suspect that isn’t what you were thinking.
You said arrogance breeds ignorance. My money says you are about to prove your theory.
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“Property freedoms” are allmost all the freedoms you have, but I am glad not much outside “property freedoms” got lost.
“As soon as the economic freedom which the market economy grants to its members is removed, all political liberties and bills of rights become humbug.”
Von Mises
“Freedom is indivisible. As soon as one starts to restrict it, one enters upon a decline on which it is difficult to stop.”
Von Mises
“The idea that political freedom can be preserved in the absence of economic freedom, and vice versa, is an illusion. Political freedom is the corollary of economic freedom.”
They were going to war whether or not 9/11, wmds, or anything else ever happened. It just made it more convenient. After those things it was easy to pass shoddy falsified info through congress and past the US population with no questions.