It sounds to me (and probably to many others) that your current protocol is terrible and you probably haven’t been laid in months. But that’s ok. Lots of guys here just like you (This is sarcasm so relax!)
I had absolutely no reason to be condescending. The post I made came from the heart. I have no ill will or malice against any of you. I spend my days helping people outside of running a business. It isn’t up to us to facilitate an easier means for the guys not on FB to get access to everything in our group. Are we going hire guys to copy/paste every single comment and research paper into a forum that you deem more worthy of your time, especially considering it is a non-profit, totally free group? No. If you took it as condescending I don’t know what to say as that wasn’t the vibe I was going for whatsoever.
Again, you appear to get really worked up over everything I say. Just skip my comments if you need to. Don’t let your blood boil over completely harmless stuff like this. It’s not worth the frustration. Cool?
I probably need to make a new post with the 3 items I mentioned previously. Hope all this helps folks and I know it’s a lot of information. But guys need to be informed about these relevant topics. Have a nice evening.
Yes I have seen it and personally experienced it. I just gave it time and it significantly improved especially when I dropped the AI and went to trans scrotal administration. It does get better with time.
No you’re right. You had no reason to be condescending, but you were. You usually are. I’ll tell you like I told @enackers…
I don’t dislike you man. I actually agree with most of your points…not all, but most.
I am a man. So is everyone else here (well…besides the few ladies that posts here lol). I don’t know you. You don’t know me, but let me help you out with that…
I come form a place where how you treat others defines a good bit of who you are. Your attitude toward other people will ALWAYS dictate other people’s response to you. Plain and simple. In a nutshell, treat people how YOU would like to be treated. I go out of my way most of the time to make sure that I offer that one small olive branch of respect to others. I think everybody should, but that’s just me.
You don’t do that. You come from a place of self imposed (key word here) authority. You talk down to people like they are children and you are the king come to town, and everyone should just bow down and worship. I know you probably don’t literally mean it that way, but that’s how you come across. It’s VERY hard for those who read that to actually take anything away from the conversation. It’s a common point of respect that most men, especially those who have had to earn there place in this world with very hard fought battles, just can’t get past.
I realize you help people. Great! You could help a lot more if you would just put your crown aside man, and come down to the level of the peasants and have a conversation. You could be so much more than what you are…if it just wasn’t for that fucking Canadian ARROGANCE!! Lmao!!
@roscoe88 if this was the case why do all the guys who get off the AI and have optimized free T suddenly eliminate that issue from their lives? I’m talking guys with E2 over 100. I had that very issue and I know what it’s like. It’s gone now. Long gone. Orgasms are WAY more powerful. Finishing is WAY easier. Sex finally feels the way I remembered it from my late teens and twenties.
Dude learn how to write correctly. And no, Its not correct for “99.99%” of men, I have plenty of friends who absolutely need AI to even function properly on TRT dosages, so what ure saying is complete and utter bunk. You talk alot of nonsense for sure.
Born in Canada but 100% Italian blood. Does it still count?
I believe that you interpret what I say to be way more condescending than the way some others interpret it. I type fast and I talk fast. I don’t always choose the most perfect words or most perfect explanations. At the end of the day, I get way more thank yous in my messages outside of here than I do bad comments so I must be doing something right somewhere
Lol, havent been laid on months? Dude, the user “readalot” is owning the shit out of you in this argument, he is rational, logical and down to earth, he provides evidence to his claims.
You on the other hand, you are arrogant, seem extremely low in intelligence and keep spouting your nonsense about “99% of men blahblah”, are you even a doc?
Readalot and bmbrady77 is way better arguing than you. You get worked up and emotional, no wonder with e2 that high.
No that doesn’t count one bit!! But it does explain a few things!
Man I’m cool. I can honestly say that when you try, and you slow down and really think about what you’re saying, it’s very intelligent and informative, and it truly does help people.
It’s the times when you let your emotions (you can call it passion if you want lol) get elevated (can you say evidence of high E2?!!) and you start talking/typing fast where it starts going south.
This whole idea of letting E2 go is still very new to the TRT world. It’s gaining ground but it isn’t widely accepted yet. You’re not going to ramrod that process. You’re not going to speed it up. People have been burned way too many times by the latest and greatest proclamations coming in hard and hot. They’ve listened to lots of “experts” that been proven, over time, to give more harmful advice than it was helpful. I don’t think that this is the case in this argument, but time will tell. Let your proof be in the pudding and let this stand the test of time, and people will come around…either that or you’ll owe a lot of people an apology! Lol
I think where you and I clash is that we are a lot alike. We both have no patience for ignorance. The one thing I’ve learned though brother, as I’ve gotten older I guess, was that that frustration had more to do with me than it did with people who were ignorant, or should I say that I THOUGHT were ignorant. I’ve learned that even a dumbass has a sacred personal right to be a dumbass, if that’s what he so chooses to be.
@equel no idea where this is coming from. He posted some research. Dr Nichols said it was irrelevant. I sent it off to Dr Howell for review. You call this being “owned”? I haven’t even said anything yet.
@roscoe88 currently taking 300mg weekly, daily dosing subq, no AI, no HCG, DHEA at 50mg daily. This brings my free T just over 40. I need more than most guys to get my free T to that level for some reason. All issues resolved. Couldn’t tell you my E2 as I don’t measure it anymore.
Just stop being so defensive and arrogant and Im sure way more people would listen. You seem to have a decent amount of knowledge so its a shame with that attitude cause it makes people ignore what ure actually saying.
Me for an instance, have had a big problem getting strong erections with TRT for 2.5 years, probably due to low SHBG. I had better erections at 150ng/dl of testosterone than Ive had at any protocol Ive tried. I take any advice I get, but when someone comes off as arrogant and “I know it all fuck u losers” you just ignore the person.
BTW guys stop the petty emotional shit.“You sound insulting”…etc. Come on. Grow some skin and let’s share the knowledge and experiences. We need as much input in this field as we can get.
There are many guys in this forum that wound up in our group because they were curious. They wound up changing their protocols. Within a months time, these same guys are creating threads saying, “I never would have beleived it but it’s true. I feel amazing.”
There are a lot of doctors in that group. None of them have patients on an AI. Not a SINGLE patient. None of the patients have “E2 issues”. Some of their patients know what an AI is, some don’t. Some know about the bro science 20-30 range, some don’t. Changes nothing. NONE of them have “E2 issues”.
You need to get your free T levels WAY up there. Bare minimum 30 nd/dL. Some guys need as much as 60. None of them are measuring E2. None have issues. Every single guy I’ve worked with to get off the AI have had amazing benefits. Every one that had initial side effects was easily corrected without an AI.
The vast majority of benefits from TRT come from the aromatization from testosterone to E2. If you lower E2, even in the slightest, you are lowering the benefits. Period.
For every single one of you who have had an issue doing this, there is a simple explanation. You absolutely do not want to take an AI unless you are running massive levels of anabolics and even then it is currently debatable if that is even necessary.
In 70 years of research, testosterone and estrogen have not been demonstrated to cause harm. There are only benefits. Guys doing TRT need a higher dose that ever before due to EDCs. Dr Nichols and Dr Howell are doing studies on that as we speak. In fact, any area where there is insufficient research you will be seeing studies by them… All self funded. You will be seeing their names appear quite a bit over the coming months and years.
@equel, I’m just curious, in everything I had said today what came off as arrogant? The not getting laid joke was following by “this is sarcasm” so I’m confirming I’m just kidding around. What got you so upset? I can’t see anything I’ve said today that could have been interpreted as arrogant.
(This is sarcasm so relax!)
