Yes but at what dose? You’ve seen data on low 100mg weekly doses?
By the way, I have multiple reports of men using very low dose HGH and getting benefits. We’re talking 0.5-1.0iu a day.
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Not 100mg/wk doses, typically cyclic doses.
That being said the cardiotoxicity of 100mg nandrolone is likely higher than that of 100mg test. Whether this is a problem? Unknown, I’d say 100mg is a reasonable dose that seems somewhat safe, still I personally err on the side of caution.
It’s been fun, and a pleasure speaking with you, but I have a business to run and a family to take care of and I need to get some sleep! 10:30pm here. If you create that bogus profile on FB please send me a PM!
You too mate, have a good night 
I’m Australian btw
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I know lots of guys that did 100-200 forever. Before I opened my own clinic we used to do it at the clinic I worked for.
It is super suppressive. This was shown on a study for male fertility meds back in the 70’s. They tried to give caucasian males ( I differentiate this because for some reason studies on asian males are different) testosterone to suppress them as brith control and it didn’t work that good. Lot of people still had Sperm, a little over 30%. Once they added nandrolone suppression was 100%.
Not good to suppress your system like that. Estrogen does the same thing, in fact Tren and Nandrolone are structured much more like estrogen than testosterone.
Remember what you said about Crisler? And how I said I have seen other people that owned TRT clinics take their own lives? 3 others I have seen. All coming off deca and whatever else the pharmacies would send out back then. One was forced to come off because he went to jail for insurance fraud.
We specialize in restarts for a reason, we know what long term suppression does.
It is no secret that when you come off long term use of a 19 nor you are crushed. Not good to do that to your system.
True, but the same can be said for all testosterone derivatives with progestognenic qualities. Nandrolone is an androgen and progestogen, in current studies looking for male birth control, they’re looking at either 19-nortestosterone derivatives or testosterone + progestogen
True, nandrolone is an estrane (c18 steroid hormone) as is estradiol, estriol etc. If you get someones bloods of tren (depending on method of E2 assay) they’re E2 will show up as being through the roof.
Was Crisler on deca? I know he was open about prior AAS use for bodybuilding
Some people never recover from deca in regard to HPTA suppression. There’s debate as to whether it surpesses the HPT axis too.
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I can’t confirm or deny. But depression when your HPTA is suppressed is real. Men with low T have it, imagine your system literally being reduced to 0. I think the adrenals get crushed.
Thats why i love the CJC IPAM I am telling you that stuff works. I have seen optimal GH levels fix peoples cholesterol so many times. Proper levels reduce inflammation.
Back in the day when you could get the Israeli FDA approved rhGH cheap you could add 1-1.5 to a guys program and it would totally fix his glucose and cholesterol. If you gave them too much, you get the reverse effect.
Thats why I love the peptides. Way cheaper and I can vouch the stuff works. We have clients on the CJC-IPAM that have been our clients well over 5 years and they say they are leaner than they have ever been.
Plus, it is stimulatory, not suppressive. So far, in the 6 years our clients have been using one variation or another, CJC-IPAM and the MK677 has been the best. Mainly cause it doesn’t;t make you secret cortisol.
But that begs the question, does someone with adrenal fatigue benefit from the peptides that do increase cortisol.
In before the lock.
Dam @increasemyt you had so many of us on your side before you let a few members (enacker, NH_Watts and Charlie 12) trigger you into going postal.
No one hear that counts or has any TRT/blasting experience listens to Dr.Nichols/DannyBossa/Scott Howell. Its a shame you did not know that. I truly believe you could have found some clients here but not now. You are just wasting time. It might be time for you to do a blood test. Your E2 just might be out of control.
Well ok then. I guess me actually giving a rat about these guys and the guys that are listening to them got in the way of my impression on you.
Sorry.
Honest we saw your desire to help. If you only knew how many of us were nodding our heads in approval. You have so much good info to share. You just can’t let these asshole trip your trigger.
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I am just recouping from summer, hibernating. Raining like crazy and very hot here in SWFL. I just got done doing 250 dives it was a long summer, I could eat and sleep all day.
I think sometimes, because of my manic posting style, people portray my posts as postal but thats not how it is in reality. I guess I got carried away.
I am used to the Fox forums where replies come so fast, its a ongoing conversation, then I come to this format it looks like I am going “postal” when I am really not. I am just not gonna let @dbossa bully me and to be honest this thread has been like a file folder for me to store all this info. So I know it seems manic, but I am not angry. I will keep the format in mind in the future.
I might need my E2 checked though since I think it has been over 10 days since injection my TT E2 ratio might be not so good lol.
dbossa has no power here. He’s and his stupid FB friends are nobodies on this forum and you should treat him/them that way. This form has a block members feature you should look into it. It makes the T Nation world a wonderful place to visit. You can remove all the asshole from your world and just have intelligent conversation with the rest of us. Note: Everyone has an opinion on how this TRT works based on our own experience so please have an open mind. AI’s and HCG are needed for some to feel good.
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And coffee-grounds, must not forget coffee-grounds.
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I don’t ever see that being promoted. Just cypionate or cream.
I’m curious do they charge more for bio because it is supposably superior or something? Is that why it’s a scam?
Some companies will promote “bio identical” hormone replacement but charge like 5x that of what replacement usually costs. Great in practice (for business) but the difference is nil.
What’s the issue with this dbossa guy? To me it seems as this dispute arose (though I haven’t delved into the depths of this forum before I arrived yet) as if two medical professionals had differing opinions on various subjects. It doesn’t seem like either member was an asshole, merely there was a dispute that got out of hand.
I’ve not taken sides, I feel as if taking sides leads to further conflict and disparity (leading to detachment) amongst members of this community, and a community should be united, not separate, not looking for a dysfunctional T-nation yeet.
They are on this kick of a Free T of 30-50 is OK 24/7/365 and don’t worry about your E2 going thru the roof it will sort it’s self out on its own and also don’t worry if your HCT goes above 54% that just give you more O2. Their theories are off the chart and dangerous and I can’t believe even the newbies buy into their crap.
No one ever said a HCT of 54% is okay for everyone, there are confounding variables. From what I recall, the message was conveyed “If HCT rises on TRT it’s a somewhat normal response.” Which is true, erythrocytosis is a normal reaction when starting TRT, literature empiracly demonstrates it + androgens all increase the output and efficiency of erythropoietin for whatever reason.
Many ref ranges have differing cut-offs for HCT, my ref range cut’s off at 46%… forty six fucking percent (then again it also says 100ng/dl is a normal TT and anything over 800 is supra), for a healthy young, athletic male a HCT of 51-54% (not forever) isn’t something to be particularly concerned about, furthermore HCT is a mere indicator of the percentage of RBC’s in one’s blood, wouldn’t it be more efficient to merely see what a person’s RBC count is before wondering if said person has developed secondary polycythemia?
Everyone is allowed to have their own theories. Me myself, I don’t think a HCT in the low 50’s is a big deal (unless you’re say over 45 or have CAD/issues with clotting factors, say you’re blood is hyper-coagulable)
Slugging thru 900 post would be a chore. Let me save you some time. I think I know you and your feeling on this matter well enough you would pick a side. The crap suggested here from the 3 stooges (Nichols/Bossa/ Howell) are so off the charts no one would try their recommended protocols and if they did they would hunt them down and physically de-ball them with a dull butter knife.