I’m hoping thats all it is. I swear I can’t go my whole life feeling this way. Need to find a resolution somewhere.
Thanks again for calculating my free t, great work. I dont know what you do for living, but I assume you know lab measurement technologies perfectly well
No simple decisions for big gains in this life unfortunately 
And still no answer @increasemyt
You sat here making accusations that a high free t is essentially cycling or abusing steroids. You compare labs and history of men who were using high T but you never acknowledged that this is erroneous because body builders who abuse steroids are taking a dozen different aas and not jsut T.
So again how is it that a high free t is abuse and will cause sensitivity or absorption issues?
Like the post danny made and others you still haven’t provided clarification.
It’s wrong to say a man he is abusing TRT when he needs a higher free t for symptom
Resolution/ especially to compare this to men who are having totally diffeeent pharmaceuticals added to the mix.
With all these responses you still haven’t clarified and given us one example that matches a man on Trt.
For all users I would be very careful in anything this man says. He hasn’t backed out in anything nor made relevant claims.!
All the labs I posted were men on TRT at no more than 200mg per week. We won’t even do nandrolone or oxandrolone.
I can post more of them if you want, I have about 9,994 more.
Please explain what and how that answers the questions. You have made some fairly inaccurate claims. Vonko posted jsut a bit ago with a few important questions in relation to some very alarming comments you made about TRT and then all of your references and studies were irrelevant.
It’s scary to think you run around telling men they will have sensitivity issues if they raise free t above a range you can’t seem to confirm is not accurate. Then you reference the word abuse or cycling as if a body builder only uses Testostorone and that’s why they have these issues when free t is so high. you also mentioned the anabolic doc who is always referencing men who have cycled on and off for years.
Until now you have not acknowledged any of these major faults in your suggestions and defense.
Who knows maybe you will find a study that shows harm in men when free t is above range. Or DHT and estrogen.
I also asked you what would you do if a man has slowly increased his dose until symptom
Resolution. Would you make him go back to 20ft because of a lag range and this false notion that receptors are desensitized?
Where’s the studies. Danny gave you sources and answered your questions to the best of his ability, but you have not brought us any relevant literature supporting your claims.
And this is what I am referring to. Answer at least one with some relevant literature
This was sent to me from @dbossa
You guys are breaking your heads and arguing over things that are irrelevant. All of the statements being made by @increasemyt are due to abuse of anabolic steroids that are synthetic derivatives of the natural hormone of testosterone or studies on gender change involving the complete suppression of androgens. This is completely irrelevant, and every single explanation given has gone through one window and out the other. Every response from him proves over and over his inability to understand how TRT works. He doesn’t even have a level one newbie grasp of the concept. He didn’t even appear to know the difference between pg/mL and ng/dL until I explained it to him. He didn’t know of the error of the LabCorp units that are indicated. 10,000 labs and he didn’t figure this out yet? Come on. It’s hysterical. They still have not provided a single instance when TESTOSTERONE was administered, at any level, and caused harm. Why have they been unable to do this? Because there is NO study in existence that demonstrates this. However, there are tons of studies that show the benefits. You say he brings up kidney failure and all kinds of other nonsense. Show me ANY STUDY where testosterone caused kidney failure at ANY DOSE. This is a many who calls himself optimized when his labs indicate a certain number. Who does that?? We treat symptoms, not numbers! Plus, the guy is doing weekly injections? Find me ONE man who is optimized on weekly injections? You can’t! Plus, he is blocking E2 which is the thing that provides virtually ALL the benefits of TRT which is absolutely and unequivocally counter-productive. Until he can provide just one study where a man was administered either testosterone or estrogen, and it caused harm, he’s just shooting off his mouth to a group of idiots that don’t know any better. This is why I exited the group. This is why Dr Nichols deleted his account. No, we won’t be coming back.
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I am not going to argue about this anymore. I have been watching men take testosterone for 10 years. So if you think my answer has no credibility, I am fine with that.
A further review of the available literature will not change my opinion on the subject matter.
Nobody is arguing. You are not making sense. Everything I know is based on legit literature, studies and proper logic.
Nobody should listen to you if you can not provide a proper defense.
Honestly jsut stop making shit up based on your logic. Just because you think somethings happening does not Mens it’s true.
This is a sad result. You are so passionate in shooting us down but cannot compete and now you call it arguing.
Can you provide just ONE of what dbossa is requesting to prove him wrong? If you can’t, you admit defeat. End of story.
Hold on, some of you guys claim high doses of testosterone is not dangerous long term now? What the fuck is wrong with you. Let me tell you this, Ive been on 800mg test E cycles and bloods 12 weeks in show all kinds of fucking problems.
You are getting more and more redicilous, fucking hilarious how ignorant some of you are.
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The negligence in your suggestions and the way you reference inaccurate materials as i stated above is absolute negligence. You continue to compare apples to oranges. Earlier this week or in this post you cited a dog study. When are you going to admit you are not having the data and you are scraping for evidence .
Anywhow I mentioned your answer to @dbossa. Here’s his reply. To me this is absolutely hilarious… this is the last time I’m
Commenting on this post. I was hoping I could make you realize how inaccurstebyou are, but you refuse to even budge.
From My buddy Dbossa.
This is where those of you who don’t know this stuff say, “There you go! He proved that @dbossa is a fraud!”
For those of you who know about this stuff, they will say “@increasemyt just proved his incompetence here”.
Why?
We have FOUR BODYBUILDERS. Guys that have been taking supplements and perhaps anabolics for years. Eating massive amounts of food and supplementing with creatine. They take testosterone and/or nandrolone and the result is that they had actute tubular necrosis. There’s your proof, right?
Did any of you happen to see that they were taking 15 grams of creatine? Guess what happens when you take that amount of creatine long term??
“…We report a case of a heretofore healthy 18-year-old man who presented with a 2-day history of nausea, vomiting and stomach ache while taking creatine monohydrate for bodybuilding purposes. The patient had acute renal failure, and a renal biopsy was performed to determine the cause of increased creatinine and proteinuria. The biopsy showed acute tubular necrosis. In the literature, creatine monohydrate supplementation and acute tubular necrosis coexistence had not been reported previously. Twenty-five days after stopping the creatine supplements, the patient recovered fully. Even recommended doses of creatine monohydrate supplementation may cause kidney damage; therefore, anybody using this supplement should be warned about this possible side effect, and their renal functions should be monitored regularly…”
If this is your proof, you have lost in spectacular fashion.
RIP @increasemyt
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Oh, so there is a limit then with testosterone, right? There is a level which is too high. Now, is that 300mg a week? 500? We dont know, that is why we test our bloods to see it.
Telling people having very high T and E2 is no problem at all is absolutely redicilous and straight up dangerous.
THERE IS A LIMIT, and this is most likely individual - u will see on your blood test if things are going out of hand.
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You have it wrong again. They were only taking 5 grams…
Nope, creatine isnt the problem here. Ive been doing 15-20g daily for years, without blood almost even bulging.
I get more and more sceptical about bossa and the enackers dude, these people seem extremely emotional, non-rational and just uneducated.
Dbossa just pmed me on facebook now, said he “wont help me now”, cause I said 800mg of testosterone a week was bad for my bloods.
That dude is extremely emotional, almost like a woman, I was skeptical from the beginning and Im extremely skeptical now.
Your guys e2 are certainly very very high, that is obvious for sure.
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Why are you misconstruing the wording. You take a number that’s good for one guy and high for another and generalize it saying it’s high.
Men can easily increase their dose until they feel normal again.
Free t ranges have dropped annually and all I see is comparison to today’s lab ranges. One guy says “hey look body builders having issues on high doses of t.” Yeah because they are only on T and all the other food and nonsense over the years has nothing to do with their overall health and lab.
Where 27 free t might of been normal high 10 years ago. Now if someone goes to 35 we scream unhealthy and oh my god desensitized receptors or whatever. What about EDCs? What about toxins. Or are we not considering that maybe these men tried 25 free t (more like they tried a dose that got them into the 20s) and they didn’t feel better until they increase dose another 10-20%.
Nobody is saying “go take 800mg or 400 mg. Nobody is saying a super high dose is needed until a man shows the need by slowly increasing his dose. Have fun finding a doc who can prescribe such a high dose anyways… Nobody said that. This is the furthest from the truth.
Adios man I don’t think you guys want to actually understand what’s being said. You have a ton of fear based on broscienfe and so far not one shred of evidence was presented that actually backs up your fears. None.
When the hell am I going to see proof that these high levels are safe long term? I don’t care that people are doing it and feel great and are walking boners. Just as dbossa says there is proof that e2 causes no harm there is no proof that these high levels are safe either, long term. I have also yet to see labs showing a 1500+ natural t levels from men in the past. I’m sure there might be some but they are fucking unicorns that drew the lottery and were not the everyday man walking around
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So first of all @dbossa, here is a LabCorp lab test from 2014. You can see the range goes up to 21, not 40.
As you can see this guys cholesterol and kidney function is REKT. I wonder why? If only there was a common denominator?
As of right now, increasemyT is obviously winning the argument. You keep saying “bye guys enough!”, then you come back - and get owned again.
Argue, or dont argue, but stop faking you running away from the conversation then coming back again, so feminine, one could almost think you have high estrogen levels.
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