If gaining lbm is your goal, you need to be looking for progress over longer durations of time. Perhaps yearly. It just does not happen that fast. You’re going to frustrate yourself if you compare frequently. Gaining lbm is a lifelong pursuit.
Now if cutting, that’s a different story.
Deadlift
60kgs x1, pulled my left hamstring so I went to apply a bunch of heat rub
60kgs x3
77.kgs x5, a lil hard to get into position and I can’t drop the bar down fast, other than that it’s fine
87.5kgs x5, I’m basically deadlifting with minimal hamstring involvement, stiff leg-ish with rounded upper back
100kgs x5
Bench
20kgs x10
47.5kgs x3
55kgs x3
60kgs x15, 3+ set
70kgs x3, +16% joker set
82.5kgs x3, +38% joker set
Pull Ups
10,6,6
Just leaving this here. Any thoughts guys?
Agree with him except sumo. No way is sumo more versatile for different scenarios compared to conventional or even other variations of a deadlift. If you have to pick up a body you aren’t going to plant your feet 5 foot apart and hoist them up, there isn’t a transfer to real life with sumo compared to other variations.
You’ve got to open your 3rd eye, brah!
Wide builds close! You may not set up with your feet 5 feet apart in real life, but if you have more hips/glutes, you’ll use more hips/glutes. Only using one stance(shoulder width) for your lower body would be like only pressing on 1 angle, with 1 grip. You’d miss out on some development.
Forcing your feet “out” uses more glutes, even just standing around, straight up, with your feet kinda close.
Does getting some work in with the quasi-sumo “carry over” to the bottom position of the snatch?
Ben, it looks like you could sit down there all day.
Sit down where? I’m confused haha.
Bottom position of a snatch. Like bar on floor, hips low.
Ahhhh. I wouldn’t say there’s any carry over what so ever from quasi/sumo/conventional deadlifts to the bottom of the snatch position. If anything, I find that they tend to mess up my movement patterns.
It probably looks like I can sit down there all day because my body is pretty much relaxed right before I initiate the pull.
I think the basis should be conventional as it has the most real transfer to real life and is more applicable, but then extra stuff past the basis which you should be doing should cover everything else. Do conventional deadlifts as basis then get in some weird stuff like sandbag or keg lunges.
If you can do a keg-lunge, I think you’re already good to go!
I think you guys are too young and supple to have to worry about this stuff. I’ve seen you sit cross-legged for Z-Presses!
Seconding this. It’s really hard to put lots of mass on quickly anywhere except your back and legs. Patience and all of that.
Just keep putting in work, and progressing, you’ll hit your goals eventually. As long as they are reasonable i.e not something crazy like breaking world records.
How? Honestly if you can pull 700 sumo, quasi, conventional, whatever, you’re going to be a strong ass dude. It all has to do with leverages and what is most comfortable for you. There are a ton of people who never deadlift who are strong as shit in the real world.
How often are you doing things with your legs shoulder width compared to spread eagle?
How often are you going to be picking up things attached to a barbell
Infrequently outside a gym. Let’s say when you pick up rocks at work do you put your feet in the exact sumo distance and pick it up or do you just place your feet by where you can and lift it?
I know I don’t drag it up my shins with my feet inside shoulder width with my back straight and hips down.
Do you pick it up Sumo then?
I just pick it up. No stance or anything, just what’s comfortable. What in trying to get at is whatever one you pick or if you pick multiple, you’ll get stronger. That’s it. They all work similar muscles, and certain ones are worked harder than others in each. Whether you learn conventional or sumo first, it really doesn’t matter.
So mine and Matt Wenning’s point are both equally unnecessary except some form of picking up is necessary. Great, I love picking things up.