[quote]vermilion wrote:
I’m pretty sure that you just need to send in 007 to eliminate all free radicals. That’ll take care of the ROS problem.[/quote]
They ought to lock up all those radicals. Fucking hippies.
[quote]comedypedro wrote:
vroom wrote:
I’m not all that old, but I’m already thinking about how I want to go out.
I don’t think I went to spend several decades lying on my back in a bed watching reruns on TV while I wait for some cruel nurse to sponge my balls and change my bedpan.
It might be nice to find some type of cause worth dying for and to make one final stand.
Who knows, but I’ve got a lot of time to figure it out.
Having a nurse sponge your balls cant be all bad…
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It depends on how cruel she is.
First of all,
no one is bulking 360 days a year.
Second of all,body builders exercise and usually eat right.
I don’t bulk 360 days a year.
I highly doubt bulking through the winter would take 10 years off of my life.
Everyone in my family lives long anyway.
There are people who live to be 130 in some countries that live up in the hills and mountains.Thats fine,if you’re accustomed to that way of life.People often say,“I wish I lived there so I could live to be 130 years old.”
But the down side is they spend all day hunting for food and have to take baths in rain water(not that there isn’t anything wrong with bathing in rain water.People still do it for other reasons).So it balances out.
Would you really trade in an extra 3-5 years for no food,no hot showers,no warm meals,no heat during winter,no tv/movies,no gym? I don’t think so.
I believe anyone can live to be 100 if they live a healthy life style.
whoa bros, i thought this thread died.
If you look n my post, i never said anything about “me” eating a low calorie day. I eat in excess of 5k a day, im just wondering what im in for in the long run 
Besides, no one gets out of life alive and i plan on living mine up.
What I find funny about people who fret over the idea that “bulking” is somehow going to increase their free radical counts is that it is completely focusing on such incredible minutiae without stopping to look around at reality.
Current life expectancy in the U.S. is 77.6 years as a whole. So, that would be referring to people who were born in 1929, correct? OK, great. Good times. Did those people have all of the medical advances we enjoy today throughout their lives? No. Did that generation have the same views about smoking, eating and such we have today (even if far too many American are doing a crappy job on the eating front)? Hell no. Most of those people had no idea WTF a free radical was, unless (to steal from Zap’s joke) they thought it was a communist during the McCarthy era.
The point is that you have made the jump to the idea that excessive caloric intake is “bad for you” based on a very slim area of science. There is no way that study took into account the exercise of habits of people who are eating higher calories combined with a comprehensive exercise program.
So if you want to spend the majority of your life living small and weak based on the idea that [i]maybe[/i] you will eke out a few extra years of living, have a ball… but is that even worth the trade off?
[quote]Superman wrote:
Been reading around and i have found that having a diet that is high in calories leads to an early demise. Makes sense, youd be burning more ‘fuel’ in your body thus wearing it out faster. Also heard that in a study scientsts found animals with controlled low calorie diets lived 40% longer.
So, was wondering if anyone has heard of any studies or concrete facts on how much it shortens ones lifespan.
oye! Drink it up[/quote]
And if it were mice used as the animals in the study, in captivity they have a lifespan of 2 years, so 40% gives them an extra 9-10 months, I really can’t see this percentage being directly applied to humans, very misleading sometimes when only looking at percentages and not absolutes, and vice versa.
Hi, in defence of a couple of posts here, despite this being a ‘bodybuilding’ site, I do not see why this means someone can’t express the desire to understand how their lifestyle may effect their ageing - I don’t think wanting a long life makes someone a pussy or less of a man. Anyway back to the main issue of BB diets and ageing. Although calorie restriction in mice has been shown to increase lifespan, the exact mechanism by which this happens has not been proven (like most things!)
The oxidative stress theory keeps cropping up, but more recently research has suggested that Insulin and Insulin sensitivity MAY play a significant part too. I read a very interesting article (sorry I don’t have the link anymore) which implicated that excessive insulin causes very damaging effects within cells, which is why diabetics tend to age very quickly.
Now the great news is that intense training and particularly weight training & sprinting positively effect insulin sensitivity. This may mean that the reason low cal diets increase lifespan, is due to insulin control and NOT sepcifically the low calorie consumption. This would mean that despite a BB diet increasing calories, the increased Insulin sensitivity may mean we can ‘have our cake and eat it’.
Anyone here think that this whole idea of calorie stuffing kills applies more to obese people with no activity?
It just kind of reminds me of watching a news special about a guy who swelled to 700lbs and hadn’t left his bed in 5 years…
Did he have a nurse sponging his balls?
‘The candle that burns half as long burns twice as bright. And you have burned so very, very bright Roy.’
Respect to the T-man who can source this quote.
Do andriods dream of electric sheep?
[quote]deanosumo wrote:
‘The candle that burns half as long burns twice as bright. And you have burned so very, very bright Roy.’
Respect to the T-man who can source this quote.[/quote]
Blade Runner.
The key to long life is simple: eat nutritious foods, be physically active, get sunlight, smile constantly, laugh often, and love everybody.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
deanosumo wrote:
‘The candle that burns half as long burns twice as bright. And you have burned so very, very bright Roy.’
Respect to the T-man who can source this quote.
Blade Runner.[/quote]
Props!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Do andriods dream of electric sheep?
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Well done.
haven’t read all the replies, so excuse me if this has been written already.
First, those studies were on mice. There seems to be some evidence that minimizing calories can increase lifespan, but there IS a limit. People do not thrive if they are chronically undernourished.
Genetically, some of us do well on fewer calories, our bodies are simply more ‘efficient.’ Others need more calories.
Also, I don’t think these studies differentiated between eating larger amounts of nourishing food vs. low quality food. Surely a diet high in antioxidants will play a key role in fighting the oxidative effects of eating big.
Regardless, just use common sense. If someone is working out hard and growing or trying to grow, they will need more calories, and depriving the body of those needed calories will not be good for it - it’ll lead to eventual exhaustion, injury and breakdown. How many calories will be required to grow may vary slightly from person to person, depending on their metabolic type and genetics.
A person who lifts regularly, prevents and takes care of injuries, eats healthy, eats enough, isn’t fat, sleeps enough, and has a positive mental attitude, will be much, much healthier than someone who goes hungry and has no energy to stay active.
Some people do find their energy is quite high when they follow a fast/binge type of diet - maybe some of us are genetically designed to eat that way. But others probably aren’t.
Either way, these studies are extremely preliminary, and don’t tell us much about humans, except that we need to study the issue in much more detail, accounting for MANY more variables, if we’re going to approach a place where any kind of reliable conclusions can be drawn.
It think it comes down to the fact the most bbs don’t consume foods with a high enzyme level. Like raw foods, and alkaline. Go to any gym (like gold’s venice) and take a look at the bodybuilder’s as they age, yes even the natural ones. It shows up in the face, they look almost walking dead. I’m not saying don’t eat meat or anything like that, but periodic increases in higher amounts of fruits, vegetables, green powders, and green juices would do wonders to restore that life force back.