I know professional drivers making $15 an hour , the company expects to buy your soul for that amount , 12 hours a day, 7 days a week ,beating the shit out of the trucks and people. And All of a sudden you get week off, then 7 days a week 11 hours a day , they put the schedule up the night before some where around 7pm at night and expect you to be there at 4am . Labor needs a fucking break
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Are you good for my business? I will pay you a competitive wage…BASED ON YOUR SKILL LEVEL.
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Are you a good employer or are you wasting my time ,is my time totally compensated . I expect a competitive wage
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But that’s just it, I, as an employer am incapable of wasting your time. If I offer you $15.00 per hour to drive a truck for me, and you are able to get $16.00 with similar benefits elsewhere then you are gone.
Capitalism, simple, beautiful and it has worked well for many years.
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Certainly the man doesn’t NEED more than that by any means, but it’s approx 1/3 of the average CEO’s wages from what I understand, and I’m sure most CEOs have stock options just like he does. I wasn’t really trying to make a point with Costco, just mentioning it.
Some of the biggest differences, in my opinion, between big gov’t and big companies, are:
- Gov’t makes laws for everyone, including the companies, to follow
- Gov’t largely controls the circulation of money
- Gov’t, being a larger machine, with generally a longer delay in the consequences of its financial actions, is naturally less prone to accountability.
Just a few off the top of my head, but I think you get the gist of it. [/quote]
LOL…I didn’t mean that in a literal sense. But look, both corporations and the government are large bureaucratic institutions with layers of management and inefficiencies built into them. And I think you would find that corporations make more laws and control more money than you realize. I think that the recent financial crises pointed that out quite well.
james
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I certainly agree with you about how much influence businesses are able to buy in the government, and that is abhorrent to me. However, that is an issue with GOVERNMENT, not business. It’s the gov’t that is allowing that to happen, that clearly lacks the accountability that would prevent that sort of thing from being able to happen in the first place. It’s only natural that large businesses will try to bribe their way into more favorable (for them) laws, and it will always be that way. Is the answer to not allow businesses to get big? Absolutely not; for starters, have a more transparent system that is more open to the public eye, so these sorts of problems can be quickly exposed and prevented. That’s part of the whole point of “checks and balances” as well, to keep any one branch of the gov’t from having undue influence and control, to make it so that that even if one branch is largely corrupted, it will naturally be balanced out/restricted by the others.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
What ever happened to doing the right thing? [/quote]
lol… that’s not part of the “American Way”.
Sorry, that was cynical. There are some companies that most definitely do the right thing. I think of UPS as another company that pays well for what the work is and still manages to make a huge profit. So it definitely can be done.
james
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Maybe their drivers but, $8.25 to load/unload boxes for hours with short breaks is slave work. I worked as a loader for a while and they tell you straight up many of you will quit, the work it brutal. The hub I worked for and another one in a neighboring city was sued for over working employees with short break times and shaving over time pay. I lost 12 LBS in a little over month that was kind of cool.
Fed-ex pays well, starts loaders at $11.25-$11.75.[/quote]
Loading boxes, while physically demanding, is a job that requires absolutely no skills whatsoever, besides basic hand-eye coordination, and a basic level of physical ability. Why SHOULD it pay well?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But that’s just it, I, as an employer am incapable of wasting your time…[/quote]
You know that you and I seldom disagree :)but this is a load of hewy . The Employer is just as capable of wasting the employees time as the employee is capable of wasting the employer money
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
But that’s just it, I, as an employer am incapable of wasting your time…[/quote]
You know that you and I seldom disagree :)but this is a load of hewy . The Employer is just as capable of wasting the employees time as the employee is capable of wasting the employer money
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There you go again speaking in generalities. I’ll argue your side for you. Theoretically, you are correct. An employee can “say” that they are going to give it there all and end up being a poor employee, or worse steal from the company. And the employer can promise all sorts of things from higher wages to more vacation time and then not deliver. But in both cases it is incumbent upon one or the other side to terminate the relationship.
What I’ve just described is older than this country for certain. It’s about people taking advantage of each other. You don’t regulate or unionize your way out of that. It’s called human nature and it’s quite flawed, don’t you agree?
[quote]ZEB wrote:Theoretically, you are correct.
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I can argue my own side 
Factually I am correct
[quote]ZEB wrote:
An employee can “say” that they are going to give it there all and end up being a poor employee
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Just as an employer can act as though they are completely fair and end up being a real dick
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
An employee can “say” that they are going to give it there all and end up being a poor employee
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Just as an employer can act as though they are completely fair and end up being a real dick
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Yeah…that’s what I said. But then the employee can quit.
It’s actually a good system and I don’t think you are saying otherwise. What could possibly replace it?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
An employee can “say” that they are going to give it there all and end up being a poor employee
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Just as an employer can act as though they are completely fair and end up being a real dick
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and if they’re being as much of a dick as you make out, generally speaking, their employees will go seek greener pastures, and the company will go under.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
What ever happened to doing the right thing? [/quote]
lol… that’s not part of the “American Way”.
Sorry, that was cynical. There are some companies that most definitely do the right thing. I think of UPS as another company that pays well for what the work is and still manages to make a huge profit. So it definitely can be done.
james
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Maybe their drivers but, $8.25 to load/unload boxes for hours with short breaks is slave work. I worked as a loader for a while and they tell you straight up many of you will quit, the work it brutal. The hub I worked for and another one in a neighboring city was sued for over working employees with short break times and shaving over time pay. I lost 12 LBS in a little over month that was kind of cool.
Fed-ex pays well, starts loaders at $11.25-$11.75.[/quote]
I loaded trucks in college years and years ago and loved it. The benefits were amazing (at least at the time) although the only time I needed them was when I got my wisdom teeth pulled and that was fully covered. There’s also a path upward from loader for those who want it so it’s not like you’re stuck at the bottom forever. I never had a trouble with pay and management was always fair. But it’s definitely tough work. But if you look at it as a path instead of just a dead end then it starts making a lot of sense.
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
What ever happened to doing the right thing? [/quote]
lol… that’s not part of the “American Way”.
Sorry, that was cynical. There are some companies that most definitely do the right thing. I think of UPS as another company that pays well for what the work is and still manages to make a huge profit. So it definitely can be done.
james
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Maybe their drivers but, $8.25 to load/unload boxes for hours with short breaks is slave work. I worked as a loader for a while and they tell you straight up many of you will quit, the work it brutal. The hub I worked for and another one in a neighboring city was sued for over working employees with short break times and shaving over time pay. I lost 12 LBS in a little over month that was kind of cool.
Fed-ex pays well, starts loaders at $11.25-$11.75.[/quote]
I loaded trucks in college years and years ago and loved it. The benefits were amazing (at least at the time) although the only time I needed them was when I got my wisdom teeth pulled and that was fully covered. There’s also a path upward from loader for those who want it so it’s not like you’re stuck at the bottom forever. I never had a trouble with pay and management was always fair. But it’s definitely tough work. But if you look at it as a path instead of just a dead end then it starts making a lot of sense.
james
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It is cool that they really do promote from within but, in recent years to move from loader to say driver is 4-5 years and loading is part-time so, there is no way someone is surviving off that. Loading for hours and having to have another job to survive has to be horrible.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
An employee can “say” that they are going to give it there all and end up being a poor employee
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Just as an employer can act as though they are completely fair and end up being a real dick
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and if they’re being as much of a dick as you make out, generally speaking, their employees will go seek greener pastures, and the company will go under. [/quote]
Because of a large supply of labor and a small supply of comparable jobs , they can get away with wasting your time and money
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
An employee can “say” that they are going to give it there all and end up being a poor employee
[/quote]
Just as an employer can act as though they are completely fair and end up being a real dick
[/quote]
…
and if they’re being as much of a dick as you make out, generally speaking, their employees will go seek greener pastures, and the company will go under. [/quote]
Because of a large supply of labor and a small supply of comparable jobs , they can get away with wasting your time and money
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First off, ANY work compared to NO work is not a waste of time and money for someone desperate for employment. Like I already covered, you can live off of minimum wage, as long as you don’t have stupid expectations about what you expect in the way of conveniences. Don’t blame the system for people being individually idiotic.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
An employee can “say” that they are going to give it there all and end up being a poor employee
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Just as an employer can act as though they are completely fair and end up being a real dick
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Maybe in NC but, there is no way you are living off of minimum wage in California.
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and if they’re being as much of a dick as you make out, generally speaking, their employees will go seek greener pastures, and the company will go under. [/quote]
Because of a large supply of labor and a small supply of comparable jobs , they can get away with wasting your time and money
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First off, ANY work compared to NO work is not a waste of time and money for someone desperate for employment. Like I already covered, you can live off of minimum wage, as long as you don’t have stupid expectations about what you expect in the way of conveniences. Don’t blame the system for people being individually idiotic. [/quote]
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
you can live off of minimum wage, as long as you don’t have stupid expectations
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Maybe in Podunk America , try it in any Metropolis and you will see how wrong you are
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]maverick88 wrote:
you can live off of minimum wage, as long as you don’t have stupid expectations
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Maybe in Podunk America , try it in any Metropolis and you will see how wrong you are
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Absolutely. And whoever said living in a city was a right? It isn’t.
See, this is something that some people today have got all wrong.
Remember the unalienable rights of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”? What do those have in common? Simply put, it is that they are not rights in that, you have the right to be given them by the government/other people. They are PROTECTION, the right to not have your life taken away by a murderer, the right to not have your liberty taken away by the government, the right to not have the OPPORTUNITY of the pursuit of happiness taken from you unfairly. If you screw those up, it’s on you.
Life naturally exists, until someone takes it away.
Liberty naturally exists, until removed by one’s government.
The pursuit of happiness naturally exists, unless someone takes away your life and/or liberty.
Healthcare does not naturally exist. Healthcare is not a right. It is a privilege.
Whoever said that people are supposed to live off minimum wage? When minimum wage was first created it was meant as a stepping stone for teens and others who have not been in the workforce. You begin there perhaps but you don’t stay there. You go out and get job skills, or climb the ladder of where you are currently at.
How foolish thinking that business owes someone a living wage at the start up level? Is anyone suggesting that from now on every box boy going to work at the local grocery store must be guaranteed $17.00 per hour.
Flat out stupidity!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Is anyone suggesting that from now on every box boy going to work at the local grocery store must be guaranteed $17.00 per hour.
Flat out stupidity![/quote]
Seeing as that is damn close to my starting salary out of college, stupidity doesn’t even begin to describe it…
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Absolutely. And whoever said living in a city was a right? [/quote]
It is if that is where the jobs are