Batman vs Wolverine

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[quote]TDub301 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
TDub301 wrote:
Jesus, this has gone too long. As said on one of the early pages, it depends, before anything else, on who writes the story.

After that, it depends on where they are. If someone captures both of them and forces them to fight in a blank room, Wolverine will destroy Batman within seconds.

If Batman learns about him and has time to plan and strategize, then he CAN win. There are many ways to beat Wolverine, there are infinitely more ways to beat Batman because he is a regular human being at the end of the day.

Batman cannot hurt Wolverine unless he has some instrument of destruction that he knew to prepare ahead of time, bottom line. What is he gonna do? He can’t punch or kick him, if he punches Wolverine, he will do nothing but injure his own fist and likewise in any other direct combat situation.

What are his “batarangs” gonna do? cut Wolverine until he heals seconds later? What else does he keep in that utility belt in general? Smoke bombs? He may be able to run away and fight another day, that is waaaaaaaaaaay more realistic than a lot of shit being said on this thread.

Batman would have to use special measures to beat him, which he wouldn’t know to or let alone be able to use if it was an impromptu fight.

Listen people, Wolverine is faster and stronger than humanly possible and heals and has a virtually indestructable skeleton. Batman is a regular (not regular, but when compared to a superhuman like Wolverine) human being.

They both have crazy martial arts training, but Wolverine has a lifetime more experience than Batman does in training and actual combat. Is this really still going on? A lot of Batman fanboys on this site, I don’t dislike him, but this is out of hand. Also, don’t get me wrong, I’ve always liked Colossus more than Wolverine as my favorite X-Man.

Bottom line: in an impromptu fight: Wolverine will tear Batman to shreads within seconds, he will probably dodge like 3 or 4 attacks then get caught in the chest not before long. End of fight. If Batman knows ahead of time, then he could plan, but then again, so could Wolverine if he knows ahead of time. Ridiculous thread, given way more posts than it deserves

Alcohol or not, you’re wrong.

Wolverine is not faster.

They have the same level of strength.

Batman is a better skilled fighter.

Batman is a Better tactician.

Batman has multiple gadgets at his disposal.

Punches and kicks can hurt Wolverine, he just heals it pretty fast. But a kick to a face still hurts.

Normally, I hate using wikipedia as a reference, but in the case of comic book characters’ powers, any comic book nerd who will take the time to post about the character I will believe. With that being said, you don’t know what you’re talking about champ.

1.Wolverine has lifted a dozen men over his head with one hand. Nobody who is 6’2" 220 (according to Six Flags at least, that’s how big Batman is) can lift more than a barbell with a few plates and some change on each side above his head with both hands and that’s being very giving. So on the strength level, no Batman isn’t even close.

2.Next, Wolverine has superhuman speed, Batman doesn’t.
3.When a regular person punches or kicks someone whose skeleton is encased in indestrutable metal guess what happens? It’s simple logic, buddy.

4.Wolverine’s fighting experience dwarfs Batman’s. There’s no possible way he’s a better fighter. I’m sorry, you must really love Batman, cuz all these things are simple logic. You saying Batman is a better fighter would be like me saying you’re a better lifter than ________________ (insert pro-bodybuilder name who has been lifting since before you were born) and even then the comparison still isn’t doing it justice.

5.Better tactician? Well, ya, that’s the key to Batman, he is the best tactician, but if he gets into an impromptu fight, he doesn’t have time to think of special tactics, which is (and don’t ignore this part because it is the key to this fight) the key to Batman winning against Wolverine or pretty much anyone with special powers.

And don’t even get me started on the fight if Batman is stripped of his utility belt, then you’re stupid if you think he can win.[/quote]

  1. Their strength levels are close. I give the edge to Wolverine, but its only an edge. Both are still within the peak levels of human strength. Batman could lift 700lbs, Wolverine can lift 850 due to his healing factor. Still a close match-up in strength.

  2. Both are fast, but martial artists such as Iron Fist and Captain America are capable of dodging Wolverine’s attacks. I never see Wolverine consistently ducking attacks unless its someone like Hulk he’s fighting. In fact, Cyclops has handed Wolverine his ass in a fight. No claws, no Optic blast. Just one on one fight.

  3. If you take a master fighter and have him punch steel, it will hurt him but he’s deadened the nerves hands/feet and he’s also gained a considerable amount of striking power. So once Batman punches Wolverine, he knows that this dude is not normal. Plus, Batman would attack soft tissue areas to hurt him. And Wolverine having an adamantium skull doesn’t mean he won’t feel the pain.

  4. Yes, Wolverine has many more years of fighting experience than Batman. Unfortunately, he doesn’t it use it all the time or he meets someone who is just a better fighter than he is. He’s lived longer than Cap, Spider-Man, Spider-woman, and other characters, he’s still been beaten by them. Hell, I’m pretty Daredevil, Elektra, and Bulleye have beat him in a fight.

  5. Batman comes up with Tactics before the fight and during the fight. If it was an impromptu fight, Batman is smart enough to think of a way to put Wolverine down.

It isn’t that hard to outsmart Wolverine. His attack strategy is normally “Rush in, swing, take a few gunshots, swing some more, rinse and repeat”. But if you use that against someone who is a Master fighter, Master tactician, Master Scientist, has similar physical attributes as you, and has dealt with people stronger and faster than you, you will get beat.

I’m not saying Batman is gonna stomp Wolverine. It would be close. But I give it to Batman due to how he fights and his physical abilities compared to his opponents. And that his opponent doesn’t use smart tactics unless its against a extremely powerful foe.

And I’m not a Batman fanboy. I don’t hate Wolverine. I hate Wolverine fans, Wolverine writers, Superman writers, and Superman fans. That’s it.

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They’re not listening Wol. He said it himself he’s using Wikipedia as a source.

I think the main points are that Batman doesn’t have to “come up with special tactics in advance”- tactics are put together on the fly, otherwise it’s called strategy. Batman has fought and beaten similar fighters in similar situations. Wolverine has been beaten down by an old man with a WOODEN sword. How do you think he’d handle something like an electrified batarang?

I think the scenarios people are coming up with are boring.

Put them in a cage in their speedos and Batman will still choke Wolverine out. If you don’t think he can do it then you don’t know shit about the character.

Throw some more situations out there I say;

a fight on Gotham rooftops, corridors of the Xavier Mansion, or something more interesting. Most people agree that Batman would win in 90% of situations so let’s mix it up a bit.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
They’re not listening Wol. He said it himself he’s using Wikipedia as a source.

I think the main points are that Batman doesn’t have to “come up with special tactics in advance”- tactics are put together on the fly, otherwise it’s called strategy. Batman has fought and beaten similar fighters in similar situations. Wolverine has been beaten down by an old man with a WOODEN sword. How do you think he’d handle something like an electrified batarang?

I think the scenarios people are coming up with are boring.

Put them in a cage in their speedos and Batman will still choke Wolverine out. If you don’t think he can do it then you don’t know shit about the character.

Throw some more situations out there I say;

a fight on Gotham rooftops, corridors of the Xavier Mansion, or something more interesting. Most people agree that Batman would win in 90% of situations so let’s mix it up a bit.[/quote]

Dude get of wols dick for two sec
 you’ve been riding it this entire thread. I assume batman would win in general if you were to simulate the fight over and over again, but in a straight hand to hand fight regardless of what strategy batman comes up with wolverine just has to catch him once with his claws
 batman tries to choke him out and wolverine has 2-3 sec to throw his arms behind him or just cut off batman’s arm


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Wow, you do realize that Wol just used two Wikipedia links and apparently didn’t even bother to read them, nor did you, so perhaps you’re the one who isn’t listening. Maybe you should read them. (note: they say he can hold up a dozen men with one hand, but then turn around and say he can press somewhere between 800 and a ton, this doesn’t seem to be very valid to me)

Especially parts about Wolverine having more speed and agility than the finest human specimine and also being a master tactician and one of the best fighters on Earth. And you keep bringing up times when Wolverine lost to others, but refuse to bring up the fights that he has won.

If someone had never read any comics, you 2 would have them thinking the Wolverine has never won a fight before. Give him more credit and try not to make it too obvious that you’re lying about being Batman fanboys.

Batman couldn’t physically choke him out, Wolverine wouldn’t let him. He comes up with tactics on the fly against lesser adversaries. The greater adversaries, he already knows about and has tactics devised in advance (i.e. Superman).

Wolverine IS faster and IS stronger and can’t be hurt by anything Batman will do to him. If Batman hits his soft tissue it will regenerate within a few seconds because it won’t be anything more than a bruise. He can’t break any of his bones. Honestly, when you play it out in your head, how do you think he will do it?

Can you come up with a way of him doing it without him having to be in some special place or have some special contraption? and once again, no, he wouldn’t be able to choke him out or beat him up in the traditional sense. Even if he did, Wolverine would outlast him eventually, so that tactic wouldn’t work either.

The running in swinging thing wouldn’t work against Batman, he is too good for that to work. But the thing about Wolverine is that that’s just how he STARTS every fight. He eventually figures out a way himself. The writers always make sure to use his healing factor in every fight, I never understood why, I guess it’s an unwritten law in Wolverine comics or something.

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The DC and Marvel wiki are good reference points. They point out what characters have done and actually give you the issues. I have nothing against Marvel Wikia/DC wikia. Marvel.com is a good one, but Marvel wikia is more descriptive of all the abilities and past history.

The strength and speed differences are not that major. Batman is near peak human ability in every category. Wolverine is a step above human, but it isn’t a giant leap.

Wolverine has been knocked out before. He has been beaten in hand to hand combat. Wolverine loses to people because he fights like an idiot, underestimates his opponent, or he just can’t beat them.

It still takes time for Wolverine to heal. By the time he heals the first punch, there’s a combination of attacks coming at him. Batman will figure out that he needs a new tactic to put Wolvie down.

He can either:
-Pull something out of his Utility belt to neutralize him(Something Electrical for example)
-Choke him out(Wolverine does his claw leap, Batman ducks it, and chokes him out.
-Tie him up and subdue him

And I list his losses because he’s lost against people who are worse or equal to Batman’s level. Wolverine can kick ass, but he would be outsmarted from the jump, and will lose. I’m not saying a complete ass whipping and I’m not saying curbstomp.

Wolverine fights smart only when he has no way of winning (i.e. Hulk) and even then he still loses or someone comes in to save him. When he fights people on his level, he plays it dumb and just swings. He can’t do that against Bats.

Batman would win.

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A list of stuff in Batmans utility belt

Elements[4][5][6][7][8] of the utility belt at times include, but are not limited to, the following:

Batarangs:[9] A customized throwing weapon used by Batman. Interpretations of the weapon have varied from the boomerang to the shuriken[10]. Recent interpretations have shown a large array of different types and sizes for different effects (i.e. blunt impact, edged, slashing).
Bat-bolas:[11] Thrown around the feet of Batman’s enemies to tie them with a composite-nylon cord. Often causes an escaping opponent to trip. With the push of a button in Batman’s glove it can deliver an electric shock.

Bat-cuffs:[12] Bat shaped handcuffs, resembling the kind used by Special Forces units. These restraints are made of a lightweight diamond-impregnated nylon overlaying a banded steel core. Using a one-piece design, they slide closed and have to be cut off. Batman has given a special tool with a diamond-edged cutting implement to the Gotham PD for removal.
Bat-monitor

Tracer:[13] Used to track enemies Batman can’t follow closely.
Communications device:[14] Often an earbug housed in an ear of Batman’s cowl, but sometimes handheld.
Bat Line: A device that shoots out a steel line in both directions making a zip line. In the 2009 video game Batman: Arkham Asylum it is called the Line Launcher.

Darts:[15] Tipped with tranquillizers
First aid kit:[16][17][18]
Cryo Capsules:[16][17][18] Small capsules that release a cryonic acid upon the breaking of the shell.
Goo gun:[19] A handheld foam projector that fires an adhesive-like substance to incapacitate opponents.

Bat-Grappling hook:[20][21][22] Used to fire a bat-shaped hook attached to a high-tensile wire line in order to scale sheer surfaces and/or swing across gaps.
Night vision goggles:[23] Using Starlite infrared lenses to see thermal output in low light or non-lit situations. Currently built-in to Batman’s cowl.
Flashlight: A simple flashlight. Batman uses it in numerous episodes of the animated series, usually when looking for clues, or through private files in the dark.
Flamethower: a miniature flamethower that was used on BatBane in the “Ghosts of Batman arc”

Kryptonite ring: Stored in a lead box, it is reserved for emergency use against a rogue Superman and/or other Kryptonians.[24]
Acetylene torch:[25] A strong miniaturized laser used as a cutting tool.

Line gun: (Grapnel Gun)[26][27][28] Similar to a grappling hook, the line gun uses a strong clamp attached to a high-tensile wire for scaling surfaces and/or traversing gaps. It can be recovered by releasing the clamp and rewinding the cable. It was based from one that is designed as compact climbing gear for commando units.
Lock pick: Sometimes kept in the gloves instead.

Marble: Rolled down stairs to imitate footsteps. Depicted as a magnetic metal ball in the “Hush” storyline arc.
Micro camera[29]: A miniature camera
Miniature smoke grenades[30]
Miniaturized toolkit[31]

Rebreather:[32] Allows Batman to breathe underwater or in vacuum. Depending on the writer and/or artist, it may also be incorporated with the gas mask.
A Master Key (sometimes mistakenly called a skeleton key) is perhaps the simplest tool in Batman’s utility belt.

Smoke pellets:[33] Often used to quickly provide cover for Batman’s stealthly exits and entries. Knock-out gas pellets are used as well for non-lethally incapacitating opponents. Lachrymatory and regurgitant agents are deployed by throwing or breaking open the small hardened-gelatin spheroid capsules.
BatStungun/taser, used by Batman to stun his enemies with an electrical shock to temporarily paralize them

Stun (Flash-Bang) grenades:[34][35] Emits bright light and loud sound to blind and stun enemies.
Thermite grenades: An incendiary used to burn[36] through obstacles. In Batman: Year One, the thermite charge ignited accidentally and destroyed the utility belt. Although they are identified as Thermite, it is safe to assume that Thermate is used instead. (The former is a World War II technology which has largely been replaced by the latter.) In Judgement on Gotham (1991), Batman is equipped with a phosphor-based incendiary device.

A cache of cash
Evidence bags: Bags in which to hold evidence.
Collapsible sword seen in Batman: The Brave and the Bold, sharp enough to cut through steel objects such as Clock King’s robots. Resembles a Lightsaber.
Bat-Saw used in Batman & Robin to cut through Poison Ivy’s vines.
Bat-Heater mini bat shaped tool used to melt ice.

Listening devices: Miniature listening devices or ‘bugs’, sometimes fired from a modified pistol and used to listen in on criminals’ conversations. Used in Batman: The Animated Series.
[edit] Bat-grenades
Batman typically utilizes two mini-explosive types: small “pellet” grenades with quick-setting contact cement and five-second delay fuses; and concussion/blast grenandes of explosive or flash/bang force with three-second to 40-minute delay, radio-control, or bungee-primia cord detonators.

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I don’t know who would win but I would fuck Wolverine no questions asked. In my book he wins.

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I don’t agree with anyone using wikipedia as a source, anyone can write on there and thus its validity is questionable.

I am in agreement with Wol because he is right, regardless of the fact that he is citing wikipedia as his source.

If anything I’d say I’m a bigger fan of Wolverine than I am of Batman, which is why I know that he has got weaknesses, and even though he is badass, he is beatable, especially by a thinker like Batman.

Before you say “Wolverine is a thinker too and has way more experience”, he has situational experience of warfare, but that doesn’t mean he is a better fighter by any stretch of the imagination. Part of Wolverine’s personality is that he is at odds with the feral part of himself that wants to cut loose and slash wildly, compromising his ability to fight against a tactician like Batman. Not only would Batman be able to react to Wolverine’s fighting style, he would deduce what sort of fighter he was and apply pre-conceived strategy.

If someone had never read a comic then they shouldn’t have an opinion.

What interests me in Drew’s post above are the multiple devices able to deliver electric shocks. Use your heads people.

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[quote]nlmain wrote:
I don’t know who would win but I would fuck Wolverine no questions asked. In my book he wins.[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
Amiright wrote:

Don’t know much about comics that why I generally don’t add much to these threads :stuck_out_tongue: but why would it matter if batman is a better fighter or if they have equal strength(which after all of wolverines combat experience I would think he would end up being stronger) or if wolverine is painfully slow


I would think if the fight for some reason became a hand to hand fight where those variables actually mattered, wolverine would win regardless
 he has knives coming out of both hands that cut through practically everything

Spider-Woman slit Wolverine’s throat with his own claws. SPIDER-WOMAN BEAT WOLVERINE WITH HIS OWN CLAWS. SPIDER-WOMAN.

And you think he is going to beat Batman?[/quote]

Wasn’t that Skrull spiderwoman though?

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[quote]chimera182 wrote:
Bujo wrote:
Amiright wrote:

Don’t know much about comics that why I generally don’t add much to these threads :stuck_out_tongue: but why would it matter if batman is a better fighter or if they have equal strength(which after all of wolverines combat experience I would think he would end up being stronger) or if wolverine is painfully slow


I would think if the fight for some reason became a hand to hand fight where those variables actually mattered, wolverine would win regardless
 he has knives coming out of both hands that cut through practically everything

Spider-Woman slit Wolverine’s throat with his own claws. SPIDER-WOMAN BEAT WOLVERINE WITH HIS OWN CLAWS. SPIDER-WOMAN.

And you think he is going to beat Batman?

Wasn’t that Skrull spiderwoman though?[/quote]

So that would mean it was really Veranke?

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I don’t agree with anyone using wikipedia as a source, anyone can write on there and thus its validity is questionable.
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Wikipedia and Wikia sites are certainly valid for informal discussions and quick research. The folks that actually take the time to write out the articles are those who have a vested interest in the subject. Those that attack the sites act far more like vandals and any group trying to spread disinformation.

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I respect what you guys are saying and can understand more now that you’re more detailed, but I still disagree and it’s definitely not because I’m a Wolverine fan. Some of the ways you say he would do it just don’t seem like they would work. I will break it down

Don’t even talk about Batman choking him out, you go try to choke out someone who is bigger, stronger, and faster than you and tell me what happens.

He could eletricute him, that IS possible, but how strong of a charge does his utility belt device have on it? and how long will Wolvy be out? It’s open to debate, but my guess is if it WAS strong enough to knock him out, Batman better incapacitate him very quickly because he won’t be out for long. So this is a possibility, given certain conditions are met.

I’m not sure how easily he could tie him up. Wolverine isn’t a bull at a rodeo, you make it sound so easy, I really feel that you guys aren’t giving him enough credit.

You also think he’ll be able to just take him on strike for strike? What do you think Wolverine will be doing while Batman is hitting him so hard that he won’t be able to recover? All he has to do is catch him one time with those claws and the fight could be over that quickly.

note: if you don’t like reading made up stories, stop reading now. I want to walk through this, since we’re starting to get more detailed.

Let’s have a realistic meeting, doesn’t really matter where exactly it is, but it isn’t in a place that gives Batmam access to an industrial strength magnet or an electrical facility. In other words, it’s in a neutral area that doesn’t give either one an inherent advantage. We can go with a Gotham rooftop.

They see each other, exchange a few words and quickly jump to a conclusion about each other. Wolverine assumes he is some dufis in a Bat mask and Batman figures he’s an aggressive brawler, but doesn’t underestimate him. Sound reasonable so far?

Wolverine charges and right before he takes his first swing, claws pop out of his fists and Batman nearly gets caught by one of them, but dodges and gives himself some space. He then dodges another attack and catches him in the face.

This is when he notices that Wolverine is very very dense, because his fist now hurts from punching a face that felt like he just punched a bowling ball (had he known ahead of time, he wouldn’t have struck Wolverine in a way that would cause himself bodily injury, but when there’s no way to know ahead of time it will happen, he swings as if it is a regular face he is hitting).

Wolverine stops for a split second and starts to heal and before he is finished charges in again. But this time, he has also noticed that Batman is quicker and stronger than he initially thought (also, Batman notices that he heals, as well) so he changes up his tactics, too. He starts fighting smarter (just like you mentioned he does when he fights someone who is too good to just mindlessly charge at).

At this point, Wolverine is making more calculated attacks and as Batman realizes this, they both stay close to each other and exchange swings. Since Batman has more to lose, he is spending more time dodging than throwing strikes and Wolverine is spending more time swinging, just not mindlessly swinging.

After a while, Batman starts to get tired and notices that Wolverine is not tired at all, barely breathing hard, so he takes a big jump back and the utility belt comes into play.

He throws a batarang and hits Wolverine in a crucial area, let’s say the neck or the face. Wolverine staggers a little and begins to heal, giving Batman time to try it again or see if something else works. He throws some nerve gas. No effect. He throws the Batbolas, but before he can get to Wolverine, he has already cut himself out of them (most likely because he has been tied up before and has experience getting out of it).

Good setup so far? realistic enough for everyone to agree? Now comes the part that is open to debate. Does he actually carry all of that stuff in his belt at all times Drewh? Or does he know ahead of time to bring most of those items so he packs them ahead of time?

At any rate, scenario 1a: let’s say he happens to have his stun gun on him. He pulls it out and fires, Wolverine dodges it (sorry, Batman has dodged enough kill shots, Wolverine gets to do it sometimes, too). The fight continues in the same manner as before, until scenario 2 below. Or, scenario 1b: he doesn’t dodge it and gets knocked out.

Batman puts the batcuffs on him and ties his feet and turns to leave and let the police find him (Wolverine weighing way way more than he looks, Batman isn’t gonna just carry him around himself), but before he leaves, Wolverine has regained consciousness and is in the process of breaking free.

That’s how Batman would win the inital fight, but then he has Wolverine with excellent tracking skills following him for a second show-down. There’s the most likely way Batman would win the fight, in my opinion.

scenerio 2: Realistically, at this point, Batman will most likely thow down a smoke screen and vanish like a ninja, mainly because he probaly isn’t carrying the one item on his utility belt that may be able to incapacitate Wolverine. If he has a reason, he will go back, prepare (knowing Wolverine a lot better after fighting him briefly), then pick some way to bring him in. That would be how Batman would win, but in the initial fight, Batman is still running away, thus meaning he would lose the fight. And even then, Wolverine is still most likely tailing him.

Sorry for the long post, I’m just sitting here waiting for the Redskins game to start and wondering if I really want to watch it anyway
 Anyone who cares about this debate enough to read it all the way through, quote me and make changes where you think it would happen.

One thing to note: at any time during this fight, Wolverine just needs to catch him with one good strike. The longer the fight lasts, the higher the chance of this happening. Like it or not, Wolverine has the advantage in an initial meeting between the 2, he has too much hidden that Batman wouldn’t know until he started fighting him so Batman’s ability as a tactician is almost nullified since there is too much he wouldn’t know about Wolverine until it was used on him in the middle of the fight.

My scenerios, in my opinion, are being very kind to Batman, since I’m giving him credit for being able to live through a hand-to-hand fight with Wolverine who, once again, is bigger, stronger, and faster and has more fighting experience, before also having an indestructable skeleton, claws, and superhuman senses. Phew, enough typing for one day

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Wolverine, takes a lickin’


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and keeps taking a lickin’.

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This is simple, guys. There are two immutable rules in comic books:

Rule 1: Batman Wins. It doesn’t matter who the opponent is, or how badly the odds are stacked, Batman wins. Batman v. Superman? Batman wins. Batman v. the Predator? Batman wins. Batman v. Darkseid, the god to whom Satan prays? Batman goddamn wins, because he’s the goddamn Batman.

Rule 2: Squirrel Girl Wins. Even if her opponent is Batman.

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I can’t contend with this logic. You, sir, win the debate.

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of course, he did lose a few times


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