[quote]WolBarret wrote:
For the record:
Black Panther > Captain America > Batman > Wolverine[/quote]
Before a certain . . . horrible writer retcon’d the initial Cap & Panther meeting, the fight they had was a standstill. The heart root and the super-soldier serum rendered about the same “top-level” effect.
[quote]Vash wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
For the record:
Black Panther > Captain America > Batman > Wolverine
Before a certain . . . horrible writer retcon’d the initial Cap & Panther meeting, the fight they had was a standstill. The heart root and the super-soldier serum rendered about the same “top-level” effect.
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Really? So what’s canon and what’s not canon?
Black Panther = Captain America > Batman > Wolverine
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Vash wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
For the record:
Black Panther > Captain America > Batman > Wolverine
Before a certain . . . horrible writer retcon’d the initial Cap & Panther meeting, the fight they had was a standstill. The heart root and the super-soldier serum rendered about the same “top-level” effect.
Really? So what’s canon and what’s not canon?
Black Panther = Captain America > Batman > Wolverine
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Its hard to say. Black Panther was Marvel’s “spotlight” character for a bit, and while re-introducing him to the Marvel world other characters were diminished to make Black Panther look better. (Or that’s how it felt to me). During a couple sparring sessions Cap was show clearly at the disadvantage, but would always remark that he would have won if it “was a real fight”.
Personally, I would go:
Captain America > (Black Panther = Batman) > Wolverine
As Spartiates said - “put them both in speedos in a cage match”. Who wins than?
If they both have time to prepare, Batman wins.
If none of them are prepared and have to think fast and rely on what they have on the moment, Wolfy wins.
But still, it doesn’t matter if Batman can win, because even if he does (which is not impossible), Wolverine is still the most hardcore one for a simple reason - he may not be the strongest, smartest, most agile etc. character of the Marvel universe, but when he is crushed and broken, he will get up. He won’t be able to fight, hell, he won’t be able to stand on his feet, but damn it, he will die proud, trying to get back on his feet with the last breath he has he will get up and he will show you that he can be killed, but cannot be broken. To me that is pure definition of badass, a true warrior. Nothing can compare to that. Not hulk’s strength, not batman’s brains, not thor’s shiny … hammer.
p.s. I ain’t comic geek! Lol.
[quote]Who_Cares wrote:
…He won’t be able to fight, hell, he won’t be able to stand on his feet, but damn it, he will die proud, trying to get back on his feet with the last breath he has he will get up and he will show you that he can be killed, but cannot be broken. To me that is pure definition of badass, a true warrior.
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What?!?!
That can be said for just about every comic book character that has ever had their own book. Hell, its a standard trait in most action film protagonists. One of the US Presidents won a boxing match by getting up again and again. (I want to say it was Theodore Roosevelt, but may be wrong.) Lots of people get up no matter how deep in the shitter they are.
Okay, hulk smashed the gods, but he couldn’t smash wolverine?
[quote]Who_Cares wrote:
As Spartiates said - “put them both in speedos in a cage match”. Who wins than?
If they both have time to prepare, Batman wins.
If none of them are prepared and have to think fast and rely on what they have on the moment, Wolfy wins.
But still, it doesn’t matter if Batman can win, because even if he does (which is not impossible), Wolverine is still the most hardcore one for a simple reason - he may not be the strongest, smartest, most agile etc. character of the Marvel universe, but when he is crushed and broken, he will get up. He won’t be able to fight, hell, he won’t be able to stand on his feet, but damn it, he will die proud, trying to get back on his feet with the last breath he has he will get up and he will show you that he can be killed, but cannot be broken. To me that is pure definition of badass, a true warrior. Nothing can compare to that. Not hulk’s strength, not batman’s brains, not thor’s shiny … hammer.
p.s. I ain’t comic geek! Lol.[/quote]
Its easy to be a bad ass when you have a healing factor. Its easy to be a badass when you know that bullets and knives can’t put you down.
Its hard being a badass when you face criminals stronger and tougher than you and you have to will on pure skill, dedication, and cunning(Batman or Captain America)
When Wolverine faces someone he can’t hurt, like Cyber, he becomes a straight up bitch. Or when he faces someone else with a healing factor like himself, Sabretooth, he loses. Before this Muramasa blade garbage happened, Sabretooth kicked Wolvie’s ass every year on Wolvie’s birthday. In fact, he raped and killed Wolvie’s girl, and kicked his ass. Wolverine ran away from that fight. I got it on my laptop.
Implant kitchen knives into my hands and give me a healing factor, I’ll pretend like I’m bad ass too.
So if I squat 300lb. (that’s my max) with only one year of squattin’ heavy and have the worst genetics mankind have ever seen (that is also true), but there is that guy who enters the gym for the first time and is squatting with my max (I know that person). So, who is the most badass? Me because I earned my trophy, or he, when he can earn twice bigger trophy 1RM for all the time I spend in the gym?
Who wins the “most badass” title? The fat ecto-endo morh who is geneticly weak, has tiny thorax, big ass and thin bones, or the genetic freak?
With enough effort, I can beat the freak, but if he puts as much effort as I do, I stand no chance. There is never going to be balance - people are not born equal, lust like the marvel characters. I’m not a marvel specialist, I grew up with the animated movies, but I never knew the big picture in marvel because I never wanted to. I just happen to be a wolverine fan. He is the genetic freak in this story, and he is better. No matter how hard you try, there is always a bigger fish.
…I mean, I could kill Batman if I have a gun and he’s not paying attention… or I’m concealed and 100m away. I couldn’t kill Wolverine.
…Batman could die in a car accident. He could die Dr. Atkins style by slipping on ice walking down the street. Wolverine couldn’t.
…on the other hand, if I had billions of dollars, I could more or less “be” Batman. Where nothing I could do could ever make me like Wolverine. It’s like fiction (Batman) vs. total fantasy (Wolverine). You have to stack the world in which they live in Batman’s favor for it to be even close.
Check =/= Check Mate
Check =/= Win
[quote]Bujo wrote:
Check =/= Check Mate
Check =/= Win[/quote]
TAG! Its your turn to defend the bad assness of batman and repel the retardation that is Wolverine.
You can talk all this shit you want about “I could kill Batman with a gun if he wasn’t paying attention” or “from 100m away”, but a defining quality of his character is that he would know that you’re there.
I can appreciate that in instances where Batman seems to be holding all the cards in terms of strategy and tactics, it might seem a bit hackneyed, but that is the point of his character, and the way his mind works-
He doesn’t have any powers. He knows that better than anyone. So he has to be on his guard 24/7. He has to account for all possible scenarios. He always has to have the upper hand, or something up his sleeve to swing things in his favour. Writers have touched upon the fact that it is his obsession to the point of psychosis; he has to better than anyone and everything that can come at him. That’s why Knightfall was such a powerful story.
Batman is just a rich ninja. Wolverine is a badass 
im sure he would win.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Bujo wrote:
Check =/= Check Mate
Check =/= Win
TAG! Its your turn to defend the bad assness of batman and repel the retardation that is Wolverine.
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I would have better success tearing down the Great Wall of China by banging my head against it repeatedly than curbing this rampant fanboism.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
Superman can beat Batman (fact)
Alex Ross’ Justice - One punch and Batman went down
Maxwell Lord mind controlled Superman brutally beat Batman - Countdown To Infinite Crisis OMAC (I think)
Batman can only hope to survive a Poison Ivy mind controlled Superman until the spell is broken. - Hush
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I dont knwo about all that but doesnt batman carry kryptonite at all times? There fore being able to beat superman anytime. Course without the kryptonite he doesnt stand a chance, but taking away the bat’s kryptonite would be like taking away Wolverine’s claws (it detracts from the charater).
This is of course all hearsay. Sounds about right though.
I think we could all agree that Batman could plan, and carry out an assassination of Wolverine, especially if Wolverine isn’t expecting it (you know, since Batman is from a different universe). But that’s not a fight.
Wolverine is Wolverine. That’s all he needs. How much crap still counts as “Batman”. If billionaire Batman procures a nuke and nukes him, does that count as a “winning” a fight?
If Batman gets the Gotham police force to help all jump Wolverine with him, does that count?
How much equipment and support does Batman get to take with him where is still counts as Batman beating him?
I don’t think Batman with just his spandex suit and utility belt could take Wolverine, ever.
It’s like Spartiates vs Georges St-Pierre, but I get to bring my some guns, my car, my airplane and millions of dollars worth of other cool gadgets to the fight. Sure, then I could win.
Come on.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Bujo wrote:
Check =/= Check Mate
Check =/= Win
TAG! Its your turn to defend the bad assness of batman and repel the retardation that is Wolverine.
I would have better success tearing down the Great Wall of China by banging my head against it repeatedly than curbing this rampant fanboism.[/quote]
I thought this thread was about who would win in a fight, not who we like better. Don’t conflate them. James Bond is cooler than both of them put together, but he wouldn’t win in a fight.
And I’d much rather be a billionaire playboy by day, super-hero at night than have metal claws.
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
I dont knwo about all that but doesnt batman carry kryptonite at all times? There fore being able to beat superman anytime. Course without the kryptonite he doesnt stand a chance, but taking away the bat’s kryptonite would be like taking away Wolverine’s claws (it detracts from the charater).
This is of course all hearsay. Sounds about right though.[/quote]
Nope. It’s kept in a vault in the bat cave. He pulls it out when he thinks he may need it.
