Basketball Players?

[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
A man weighing somewhere between 264# and 275#'s running a sub-10 second 100?

Not yesterday,
not today,
not tomorrow,
not ever.

You’re obviously American. Jonah could fly. Just because you never heard of him doesn’t mean shit.
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Lomu’s physique was particularly suited for rugby as he is large, fast, and strong - qualities he augments with aggression, skill, and an intimidating presence on the field. At 1.96[3] metres (6 foot 5 inches/195.58 centermetres), Lomu is as tall as most locks, and at 119 kilograms[3] (19.5 stone/273 pounds) is as heavy as most prop forwards. Despite his size, he was, when healthy, still able to run 100 metres (109.4 yards) in 10.8 seconds.[4]

tGunslinger is right. Lomu ran it in 10.8 seconds. Stop projecting your tendencies on others.

He may have made a good running back. Not the best in NFL history. His moves didn’t compare to the top running backs. He would have been a Bettis type. Good and productive.

He was a great rugby player. It is a shame his career was cut short.

[quote]G.O.A.T wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You’re telling me Bo Jackson never lifted weights?

Come on…Really?

How do you know this?

I’ve read that.

Here is a quote of how he was back in the playing day. “Back before I injured my hip, I thought going to the gym was for wimps.”

Here is a quote from now “Now, I get up every morning and go to the gym because I don’t like waking up stiff or in pain and wondering if my hip is going to hurt me.”

That guy must have the best genetics. He needs to be put out to stud![/quote]

Simply amazing!

Decathletes do;

100m - under 10.5 seconds
long jumps - between 7m and 8 meters
shot puts - between 15m and 17 meters
high jumps - over 2.10 meters
400m - under 47 seconds
110m hurdles - around 14 seconds and under
discus - over 45 meters
pole vaults - around 5 meters
javelin - around 60 to 70 meters
1500 meters - around 4.30

can someone name me any pro american football player that could do this, cause its confusing me. These guys are the most talked about here as being the best overall athlete.

[quote]De sleeplijn wrote:
You’re obviously American. Jonah could fly. Just because you never heard of him doesn’t mean shit.

By the way, we tend to close our eyes and ears whenever anyone is superior to us.

That fucker would have made the best running back in history had he been a gutless pussy and chucked on the pads, helmet and etc to play NFL.

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Jonah could indeed fly.
I loved to watch him run over the opposition, even when he was facing the Wallabies.

Jonah, though, could only manage 10 on the beep test. And on the all-round scale of best athlete, this lack of endurance lowers him down quite a bit.

For all round athletes, look no further than AFL. Shane Crawford has been measured running 19km during a game of Australian Rules Football, a game that not only needs endurance, but strength, balance and power.

Aussie Rules is not as stop/start as basketball or grid-iron, and most of the guys on the park play out 30+ minute quarters.


And for those who think basketball players are the best athletes…

[quote]superscience wrote:
Decathletes do;

100m - under 10.5 seconds
long jumps - between 7m and 8 meters
shot puts - between 15m and 17 meters
high jumps - over 2.10 meters
400m - under 47 seconds
110m hurdles - around 14 seconds and under
discus - over 45 meters
pole vaults - around 5 meters
javelin - around 60 to 70 meters
1500 meters - around 4.30

can someone name me any pro american football player that could do this, cause its confusing me. These guys are the most talked about here as being the best overall athlete. [/quote]

Bo Jackson could (he was a highschool decathlete)… he doesn’t like the 1500 meters though, and he once had enough points that he just skipped the event and still won.

Actually a lot of football players could be great decathletes. Athleticism isn’t about the sport; it’s about the individual.

There’s a hell of a lot of money to be made playing football and basketball… not very much if you’re a runner or a decathlete (unless you’re in the top three or four in the US). So if you’re a great athlete you might be more inclined to follow the loot and the glory (not to mention teams sports are fun) and play football or basketball (or baseball or soccer or hockey or something).

[quote]superscience wrote:
Decathletes do;

100m - under 10.5 seconds
long jumps - between 7m and 8 meters
shot puts - between 15m and 17 meters
high jumps - over 2.10 meters
400m - under 47 seconds
110m hurdles - around 14 seconds and under
discus - over 45 meters
pole vaults - around 5 meters
javelin - around 60 to 70 meters
1500 meters - around 4.30

Exactly what I had in mind. If we are talking overall athleticism these guys are my pick.

I would also pick a rugby player over a football player

can someone name me any pro american football player that could do this, cause its confusing me. These guys are the most talked about here as being the best overall athlete. [/quote]

[quote]Malevolence wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
But, how can you say “maintain that effort for more than short bursts” when that is practically all football is?

Because that isn’t all it is. A football player isn’t only on the field for 10 minutes. Many are on the field for the entire game. That takes more endurance than you are making it seem.

I’ve always had a hard time watching football(I like playing it at parks and the likes) because it is so start and stop. Yes, a player might be on the field all game, but he has a lot of time to catch his breath. Heck, after a goal is scored they have time to do victor dances. Basketball players immediately run back to defense. Although, there is legitimate criticism of modern NBA games with questionable free throws being awarded every 30 seconds(dwayne wade anyone?) Still though, on average, I’d say basketball is a more active game than football.

Basketball players are the same way, only their sport involves a lot more constant athleticism.

“Athleticism”? Please describe what “athleticism” is increased in basketball that isn’t there at all in football? Basketball isn’t even a contact sport unless someone gets fouled. Being able to take hits as well as give them is more “athleticism” by itself.

It’s all there in football, but I personally think Basketball is using it more. Football games are only 12 minutes longer than basketball games, but basketball games involve less stopping, contact may be limited, but that doesn’t mean that any player can get away with being weak. Having strength and power is vital for a basketball player.

Although, I would note the distinction between professional NBA/NFL and the skills that requires versus pickup basketball/football. The pickup basketball games I play are rough, and people get hurt, and fouls aren’t called, same with the pickup football games I play.

It’s a silly comparison to make in the end, all sports require different skills, mentally and physically, and there really isn’t any ‘best’, but we all know that I’m sure.

I agree, this may be a retarded argument…but so were most wars.

Still makes the world go round, though don’t it? heh.

In the end, I’m bias towards basketball because I play it more, I play football too whenever, but I’m more tuned into basketball than I am to football, so, whatever, I’m just shooting my mouth off really.[/quote]

First of all, let me point out that this debate is folly, because the elite athletes in any sport are all equally athletic, just in different, task-specific ways.
Now that I’ve gotten my disclaimer out of the way, I’d like to debunk the running all the time myth of some sports, like soccer and basketball. There is a lot of standing around and walking in both sports. Yes, those sports are more taxing overall than American football, but it’s not all end-to-end running. Watch them next time, without bias, and notice the amount of non-exertion that there is.
For example, in b-ball, the players pretty much stop at every out-of-bounds, foul, timeout, etc. Also, there is a fair amount of standing around or slow moving as a play is developing (i.e. waiting for a pick, clear-outs).

In soccer, the midfielders run their asses off. They are also typically the smallest guys on the field. Forwards and Defenders sprint then jog, then walk a little, then sprint, jog, walk. Play slows down dramatically during free kicks and throw-ins as well.

Gun to my head, the best athletes in the world? Olympic decathletes.

DB

Definately footballs players. Modern linebackers have a freakish comination of strength, size, speed, and coordination.

As far as basketball players go, I would put them 3rd out of the 4 major team sports (Football, Hockey, Basketball, Baseball).

The simplest way to illustrate basketball players (in general) lack of overall athleticism is to watch them in other sporting endeavors. Does anyone remember “Battle of the Stars” (or something like that) from the 80’s that had athletes from different sports on the beach competing? They would do obstacle courses, running, swimming, canoeing, golf, etc., head to head. Watch that one time, and you will see that basketball players aren’t even in the same class as the other major sports. Actually, it they were so bad, it was embarrassing.

Of course there are exceptions, but as a rule this is true.

[quote]EmperialChina wrote:
blitz78 wrote:
Jim Brown is best athlete of all-time. He played football and lacrosse; naturally, one of those two sports has the best athleticism. Simple and scientifically sound.

He played for Syracuse University I believe and he was considered the best, even at at time where Lacrosse was considered a racist elitist sport played by rich brats, well not that much has changed hahaha, but that is saying something. Too bad he can’t stop choking women.

I did hear a story of when Jim Brown met Ali, and him knowing that Ali could take him out in a second. [/quote]

Jim Brown also played basketball and track at SU. I would agree that he may be the best athlete of all time. The guy excelled at ANY sport he tried.

He was 6’3" and 235 lbs in the 50s when that was the size of most O-linemen. I believe he ran a 10.3 100 meters as well and had amazing balance to boot. He was tough as nails - only missed one play in 9 seasons in the NFL and that was to have his finger popped back in.

He had a mean bitch-slap too, apparently.

DB

[quote]jjoseph_x wrote:
superscience wrote:
Decathletes do;

100m - under 10.5 seconds
long jumps - between 7m and 8 meters
shot puts - between 15m and 17 meters
high jumps - over 2.10 meters
400m - under 47 seconds
110m hurdles - around 14 seconds and under
discus - over 45 meters
pole vaults - around 5 meters
javelin - around 60 to 70 meters
1500 meters - around 4.30

can someone name me any pro american football player that could do this, cause its confusing me. These guys are the most talked about here as being the best overall athlete.

Bo Jackson could (he was a highschool decathlete)… he doesn’t like the 1500 meters though, and he once had enough points that he just skipped the event and still won.

Actually a lot of football players could be great decathletes. Athleticism isn’t about the sport; it’s about the individual.

There’s a hell of a lot of money to be made playing football and basketball… not very much if you’re a runner or a decathlete (unless you’re in the top three or four in the US). So if you’re a great athlete you might be more inclined to follow the loot and the glory (not to mention teams sports are fun) and play football or basketball (or baseball or soccer or hockey or something).

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Some impressive numbers. It does not take into account agility, quick reactions etc that I think are of crucial importance.

[quote]Nothingface wrote:
the 4 major team sports (Football, Hockey, Basketball, Baseball).

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Broaden.
Your.
Mind.

It is really close beetween Olympic Lifters and Football players IMO.

I just happen to know much more about Football so I will go with them lol.

As for positions RB,LB,CB,WR,DE,TE in that order.

Ofcourse there are complete monsters from every postition.

RB: Barry Sanders (Inhuman Agility, great speed)

LB: Brian Urlacher and Ray Lewis (Can run just as fast and jump as high as elite CB/WR and still lay a hit on a RB that will take him out for the game)

CB: Deon Sanders (Inhuman Speed)

WR: Terrel Owens and David Boston (Huge, fast, physical wide recievers)

DE: Julius Peppers (The fuckin guy can run a 4.4 40 at 280 pounds!!!)

TE: The rookie Vernon Davis is just incredible… he is stronger then your average Lineman and faster then your average WR.

All of these guys can jump higher then most basketball players btw.

[quote]Stuey wrote:
Nothingface wrote:
the 4 major team sports (Football, Hockey, Basketball, Baseball).

Broaden.
Your.
Mind.
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Agreed

Baseball, i wouldn’t rank it in the top 50.


Americas best athlete

[quote]jjoseph_x wrote:
superscience wrote:
Decathletes do;

100m - under 10.5 seconds
long jumps - between 7m and 8 meters
shot puts - between 15m and 17 meters
high jumps - over 2.10 meters
400m - under 47 seconds
110m hurdles - around 14 seconds and under
discus - over 45 meters
pole vaults - around 5 meters
javelin - around 60 to 70 meters
1500 meters - around 4.30

can someone name me any pro american football player that could do this, cause its confusing me. These guys are the most talked about here as being the best overall athlete.

Bo Jackson could (he was a highschool decathlete)… he doesn’t like the 1500 meters though, and he once had enough points that he just skipped the event and still won.

Actually a lot of football players could be great decathletes. Athleticism isn’t about the sport; it’s about the individual.

There’s a hell of a lot of money to be made playing football and basketball… not very much if you’re a runner or a decathlete (unless you’re in the top three or four in the US). So if you’re a great athlete you might be more inclined to follow the loot and the glory (not to mention teams sports are fun) and play football or basketball (or baseball or soccer or hockey or something).

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Because he was a high school decathlete means he could have done these numbers lol, what?

[quote]superscience wrote:
Stuey wrote:
Nothingface wrote:
the 4 major team sports (Football, Hockey, Basketball, Baseball).

Broaden.
Your.
Mind.

Agreed

Baseball, i wouldn’t rank it in the top 50.[/quote]

Many people feel that way. But consider this:

Basball players have the BEST hand eye coordination among all pro athletes. There is nothing harder in sport than hitting a baseball.

Don’t think so?

Ask Michael Jordan he couldn’t do it.

Also, a good baseball player must be able to perform short sprints, jump, dive etc.

I’m not claiming that they should be repsected as the best athletes, don’t get me wrong.

But I do think that they are under rated.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Way back in the day when they had the “Superstars” competition it seemed that Football players pretty much dominated. For example I think Lyn Swann won the thing 3 or 4 years in a row. Also soccer player Kyle Rote won it a few times as well.

Anyone remember, or have seen, that competition on TV?

I also remember Shot Putter Brian Oldfield (sp) beat big Lou Ferrigno in the weight lifting event. It was the overhead jerk press. I’m not sure, but I think Big Lou did something like 300lbs. and Oldfield beat him by 30 or 40 pounds.[/quote]

I know it is off topic but, did you ever see the video of Oldfield slamming dunking a 16 lb. shotput on a regulation rim?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Way back in the day when they had the “Superstars” competition it seemed that Football players pretty much dominated. For example I think Lyn Swann won the thing 3 or 4 years in a row. Also soccer player Kyle Rote won it a few times as well.

Anyone remember, or have seen, that competition on TV?

I also remember Shot Putter Brian Oldfield (sp) beat big Lou Ferrigno in the weight lifting event. It was the overhead jerk press. I’m not sure, but I think Big Lou did something like 300lbs. and Oldfield beat him by 30 or 40 pounds.[/quote]

I know it is off topic but, did you ever see the video of Oldfield slamming dunking a 16 lb. shotput on a regulation rim?

vernon davis…enough said