It looks like cannabinoids are still listed as a banned substance in-competition in the 2018 listing on the WADA site.
What word did you search? When I checked, nothing came back at all.
I did not do a search. I navigated to the “What is Prohibited” link from the main WADA page, which included the following under Prohibited In-Competition:
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/content/what-is-prohibited/prohibited-in-competition/cannabinoids
Also listed on the PDF version of the entire list available here: https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/prohibited_list_2018_en.pdf
That’s interesting, I guess there is something wrong with their search engine because higenamine came up when I searched it but nothing to do with cannabis. I can find anything to clarify this part, but I imagine that banned in competition means that you will test positive if it is in your system and not just if you are high (as if you would smoke at a meet). So that means that you have to stop smoking several weeks out since THC can stay in your system for something like a month.
I have given up on the IPF due to their other bullshit, but I’m still going to compete tested since I don’t take PEDs. In both WPC and IPL/USPA the only substances they test for are anabolic steroids, which is something to think about if you want PED-free competition but don’t want to quit smoking weed. However, they don’t test for SARMS which give similar effect to steroids. It’s either the steroid division or the SARMS division.
There is some incorrect advice in here. DMAA will show up as amphetamine metabolites for anywhere from 8-36 hours after ingestion.
Also, these rules are just what the have to enforce from WADA. These are not specific IPF/USAPL rules.
What bullshit are you tired of and what IPF meets have you experienced this bullshit at?
Also, the change in the WADA ruling makes it so you basically just can’t be stoned during the meet. The levels they test for are astronomical. You would have to try to fail the drug test. Also, all of the compounds in question are no longer banned for OMTs.
There’s a number of issues. I haven’t competed at the international level at this point, only CPU meets, in my experience it seems like they are usually poorly organized and the lifting order is often switched around at the last minute. I had some experiences with that, another guy (who is also a judge) told me that they switched it up on him and he only got three warmup sets before his opener. He’s not that strong, but imagine if you were opening with 700, that’s an injury waiting to happen and he was told that it was too late to change his opener. Aside from that, CPU has a plan to ban any non-lifters from warmup rooms unless they have a CPU coaching certification (I hear USAPL has a similar plan). The certification costs several hundred dollars and requires travel out of town, seems pretty unreasonable to require that for handling someone at a meet. Not only that, but the Canadian sport ethics organization (I forget the right name) told them that the plan was a conflict of interest since CPU board members were running the course and it was also a violation of their non-profit status. The CPU still wants to go ahead with it.
Other than that, the IPF seems like a bunch of assholes. At Worlds in Kileen, Texas, the meet director bought up all the rooms at the official hotel and sold them at double the price, not staying in the hotel would result in an even bigger fine. And look how the kicked out the Australian fed over one guy (Robert Wilks). Maybe Wilks is fucked up, the IPF leadership doesn’t sound any better though. At this point I would rather not deal with an organization that treats people like shit, and there are plenty other feds that offer drug tested meets.
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That makes sense, although I can’t imagine any benefit of lifting while stoned so it’s not even worth banning.
Since powerlifting has become a quasi free-market enterprise, the solution is to not compete in the IPF, or its local affiliates. The USAPL has the same “coach in the warmup room” policy and was the last straw in my decision to pull out of a meet and personally avoid the USAPL like the plague. I used to compete when they were the ADFPA and even then, the holier than thou attitude was annoying at times. I won’t waste time listing all the problems and issues with the IPF/USAPL because regular forum readers have seen them a million times.
I encourage lifters to seek out and try other federations and I lift in the USPA. They allow you to have anyone you damn well please in the warmup area, realize that benching on the toes doesn’t increase the bench poundage by an appreciable amount, lifting the head in the bench doesn’t increase the poundage, let you use whatever bench grip you want, have competent spotting, and actually know what squat depth looks like.
BTW, the USPA is run by Steve Denison. FYI to the youngsters, Steve used to run the USPF when they were the IPF affiliate. Hmmm.
Is that policy actually in place? In Canada it was a plan to eventually do that but it got derailed by the ethics committee (because it is unethical).
Right here in this frozen wasteland they call Canada we have WPC, RPS, USPA/IPL, and now WRPF running meets within a few hours drive of me. Some of them offer cash prizes of $1000 and over. I can’t really see a reason to go with IPF at this point. When I first decided to compete they were the only fed that had meets in Ottawa, but things are changing.
I’ve heard the CPU is a mess. The USAPL at the local level is not much better. But, I coached about 12 people at an RPS meet where the head judge was texting the entire meet. Every fed at the local level sucks. My experience with the USPA has been pretty good so far. Except the lifters. Jesus Christ, I don’t understand how the USPA is such a douchebag magnet. The last one I went to, every single person was dressed in a black t shirt, black jeans, black chucks, and black flat brimmed hats. I felt like I was at a fucking korn concert or at the warped tour 15 years ago. Obviously, there were some good people there. But, tons of weird entitled attitudes and fake hardcores. I can’t stand that shit.
Anyway, every federation sucks. Only personal bias separates the good from the bad for people.
Did you or anyone else report that hotel scam? That is gross misconduct and completely against the rules. If a single person reported that to the IPF, that meet director would never host ever again.
NAPF (IPF) meets pay at the Arnold. Some regional USAPL pay as well.
I wasn’t there, I read about it from several sources online. Do you know anyone who went to 2016 raw Worlds? Ask them.
That’s a fucking joke. I have only heard positive things about RPS until now, I suppose there are idiots everywhere.
If they could try to figure out a way to be serious without being greedy assholes then I can work with that. As far as my experience with CPU, the people running the meets seemed like decent people, although the technical difficulties and such put their competence into question. Most of the lifters were cool too, no Korn fans that I could see. The problem is coming from the top. Also, there is one judge (who I never came across yet) who is know for putting his initials on every single item at equipment check with a permanent marker. I don’t understand how people tolerate that shit and then whine about it after, there is no way I would stand there and let some guy vandalize my overpriced IPF-approved gear. One of us would leave in an ambulance and the other in a police car.
I know there are cash prizes at the Arnold, but isn’t it still less than the entrance fee? Anyway, it’s better than nothing and we aren’t in this to get rich.
The last pro deadlift/raw challenge I did, the payoutd were something like 1500, 1000, 750 for first second and third
Just for reference, what is the entrance fee?
Seeing as you are the only person posting on this forum lately who has competed an the international level in the IPF, what is it that makes you want to stick with the IPF? You obviously have more experience than the rest of us, let us know what’s really going on.
In all these anti-IPF discussions, people seem to overlook the positive things about the fed. The good things are the lifters; they have most of the best drug-free lifters in the world. Also consistently using the same (or at least similar) equipment, not like some feds that might use a deadlift bar and monolift at one meet and the a power bar and squat stand at the next, you know exactly what to expect each time. Judging is strict, there are some bad calls but I’m not aware of any IPF records that were questionable lifts unlike other feds. Also if you are concerned about drug use they test out of comp. for the top lifters while other feds don’t, and as I previously mentioned, other feds (at least WPC and USPA/IPL) are only testing for anabolic steroids but not SARMS or any other stuff. What did I miss? The IPF could potentially be the best fed without question if they stopped some of the bullshit that they have going on.
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Good question. I want to say it was 175-200. Hotel room was 179/night. I flew out there, so 500 more bucks. Spent about a grand getting food/shit faced after the meet with other competitors. So, even the years I finished top three, I still didn’t break even. haha.
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Honestly, I have tons of issues with the federation on a national and international level. I’ve personally been fucked by bad calls, I’ve been around shitty people just in it for money or instafame or whatever their selfish motivations are. I just know it’s the same everywhere with this shit though.
I do like the competition and the harsh judging standards. The more strict the better IMO. That drives the competition. The federation has been around for a while, that give validation and legitimacy to the records.
I used to be concerned with the drug testing. I am not anymore. The eveolution of the drug tests has been incredible. No one has gotten away with anything in the last couple years. The “drug test is and IQ test” crowd are a bunch of fucking morons that would fail both. Obviously, people will always find a way to cheat. But, that has never been harder than it is right now.
I am not super tied to them or anything. Like I mentioned before, the USPA is doing well. I did a bench only in one of their meets a few months ago and had a good time. I would just rather compete against people that are the most likely to not be on drugs.
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