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[quote]mike_70 wrote:

  1. I read that people were blogging that they watched it and were so depressed that their world was not like that in the movie and wanted to kill themselves…again, really? [/quote]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html

This article talks about how people were depressed and suicidal after the movie. It mentions how a lot of people wanted to live in Pandora and felt everything they have done on earth is now useless because they know they will never live in a place like Pandora.

If they feel depressed, they should watch this awesome little animated movie, that made me laugh, hard.

I watched the movie in 3D, and found it great. The only part that sucked was the one seen in this little flick, when they get it on.
In the movie, they use their hair to communicate with everything, but when they “have sex” they don’t, even though they seem so spiritual about it. HappyHarry solved it all. ENJOY!

Check the Newgrounds portal, it ain’t mine, but I like it a lot… http://www.newgrounds.com

i thought that the visual effects were absolutely stunning, i was so blown away for the first hour and a half that i didnt let the boring plot line bother me. after the movie became too long, i got frustrated with the predicatbility of the whole thing. We’ve seen that exact plot time and time again.

heres a better explaination - couldnt download image and attach, work computer wont let me

[quote]clockworkchad wrote:
i thought that the visual effects were absolutely stunning, i was so blown away for the first hour and a half that i didnt let the boring plot line bother me. after the movie became too long, i got frustrated with the predicatbility of the whole thing. We’ve seen that exact plot time and time again.

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I agree with the visual effects and imagery of the movie, it was awesome.

As for the story, there are only so many to be told, and if you’ve been around long enough, your going to be able to start figuring things out. I think the hardest thing is telling the story in a new in different way, or one in which people can connect and thus provoke thought and change.

I thought this was a new and different way to present a fairly simple, common message, but was done in a manner that is applicable and interesting to the younger side of contemporary society.

Does anybody know about the technology and programming that went behind making this movie? Because if I were to guess I would say that is by far more advanced and complex than anything that has been previously used.

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]JGerman wrote:
Theatre in Houston has an IMAX expericence and and 3D version.

Anyone know if there is a difference?

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Yes. IMAX utilizes multiple projectors on a dome shaped screen that utilizes your entire field of vision, it is a truly amazing visual experience. The IMAX showings are also in 3D, so you do not have to worry about missing out on that.

If you have the opportunity, I would 100% suggest seeing it in IMAX. The screen is 3 stories tall, and the sound system in IMAX theaters make regular screenings sound like a joke.[/quote]

Point taken. I don’t make it to the movies much if you couldn’t tell.

Thinking about trying to make time this weekend.

[quote]JGerman wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]JGerman wrote:
Theatre in Houston has an IMAX expericence and and 3D version.

Anyone know if there is a difference?

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Yes. IMAX utilizes multiple projectors on a dome shaped screen that utilizes your entire field of vision, it is a truly amazing visual experience. The IMAX showings are also in 3D, so you do not have to worry about missing out on that.

If you have the opportunity, I would 100% suggest seeing it in IMAX. The screen is 3 stories tall, and the sound system in IMAX theaters make regular screenings sound like a joke.[/quote]

Point taken. I don’t make it to the movies much if you couldn’t tell.

Thinking about trying to make time this weekend.
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Make sure you buy your tickets a couple days in advance, people are going nuts over the IMAX showings and they have been selling out early.

I thought it was visually astonishing and the suspension of disbelief was almost total. There was no sense of the “uncanny valley” and overall it was possible to forget that almost the entire film is completely CGI.

On the other hand, the actual story was trope-a-riffic. A big ol’ pile of simple stereotypes, cardboard cutout characters and one-size-fits-all plot elements jumbled together in a bag labelled “EXPENSIVE FILMS FOR 14 YEAR OLDS”.

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Does anybody know about the technology and programming that went behind making this movie? Because if I were to guess I would say that is by far more advanced and complex than anything that has been previously used.[/quote]

There are couple of things they perfected for Avatar:

New 3d Cameras.
Regular & facial mocapping a la Gollum, meaning in context the Jake Sully Dude and Zoe Saldana were hopping around bluescreens.
An obscene budget allowed for more lively sets then for example, the cool but sterile “300”
James Cameron could at any time see the whole scene in a decent quality real time rendering, and his team could modify the content at any time. That is pretty insane and really the key to creating a believable story from the vision of one person.

I’ve heard there are 2 sequels coming, also.

Seems that some people found Avatar very offensive, you won’t guess who:

http://stopavatarmovie.blogspot.com/2009/12/december-18-2009-international-day-of.html

laughing his ass off,
-S

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Seems that some people found Avatar very offensive, you won’t guess who:

http://stopavatarmovie.blogspot.com/2009/12/december-18-2009-international-day-of.html

laughing his ass off,
-S[/quote]

From the site:

Genderless?

Really?

No gender at all?

WTF?

Is genderless even an option today, with all the xenoestrogen around?

The irony is that Avatar is very much about strange sexual encounters.

[quote]el_presidente wrote:
I thought it was visually astonishing and the suspension of disbelief was almost total. There was no sense of the “uncanny valley” and overall it was possible to forget that almost the entire film is completely CGI.

On the other hand, the actual story was trope-a-riffic. A big ol’ pile of simple stereotypes, cardboard cutout characters and one-size-fits-all plot elements jumbled together in a bag labelled “EXPENSIVE FILMS FOR 14 YEAR OLDS”.[/quote]

After seeing it in 3D this weekend, I would say that is an excellent summation. I was in awe of the visual power of the movie for the entire 2 and a half hours and never got bored with it.

Conversely, the social commentary was nothing worth writing home about. I was particularly annoyed when they mentioned the “shock and awe” campaign; it was just too much on the cheesy side for me. I would say “District 9” was a much better movie that simply couldn’t compete with such an overwhelming budget. So at the end of the day, “Avatar” will be a milestone in the history of CGI. Nothing more, nothing less.

As far as people protesting the lack of gay characters, all I can say is, “Jesus Tap-dancing Christ” with a side of palm to face thrown in. There were what, 4 Nabi characters that had any discernible role in the plot? So according to them, either the chief warrior or the chick should have been gay, since the parents of the chick obviously weren’t? Or maybe there should have been some openly gay military personnel, since we all know how commonplace that is? What a bunch of drama queens (no pun intended). And oh yeah, fuck the pope.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Is genderless even an option today, with all the xenoestrogen around?

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Made me laugh with that.

Avatar depression?

Jesus, Americans are turning into pussies.

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Avatar depression?

Jesus, Americans are turning into pussies.[/quote]

I will say when I came out of the theater I thought, man, actuality is visually kind of washed out. I guess if you are prone to alleviating depression through vicarious experiences, this movie would be pretty effective.

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Avatar depression?

Jesus, Americans are turning into pussies.[/quote]

Seriously.

Apparently there is a large group of people that are depressed/enraged because they will never get to go to Pandora, which is in their eyes the “perfect” world.

The one thing they don’t realize is that they would probably have their head bitten off in 2 seconds by one of those banshees, or slip and fall 3000 feet while running along those ridiculously high logs/branches.

Spoilers

I probably belong to the category of guys who didn’t really enjoy it.

Saw it in 3D this evening (IMax was sold out for 4 days).

The 3D gave me a headache for the following 3-4 hours.
The 3D imaging somewhat forces you to watch 2 different planes but it felt like a lot of details were blurry to me and in a movie such as this I wanted to look at every part of the screen.
The CGI are indeed impressive, not the game changer that Jurassic Park was 15 years ago but still very good.

What got me was the incredibly generic story (I mean come on…Dance with the Wolves/Pochaontas or for the more recent movie goers The Last Samurai or if you read sci-fi Orson Scott Card’s Speaker for the Dead). Or the fact that nearly everything in the movie can be lifted for a relatively recent movie. I mean action and sci-fi movies often similar but I think there something to be said when you can basically say this part is from this movie and that other part is from that movie and so on.

I understand that you can’t go into the ‘‘ethical’’ implications of being downloaded into another body or eventually remaining there (what makes you YOU and so forth) what if your mind gets copied and there’s two of you (one in the Na’vi one in the original body, who is who and so on) Granted this has been done in other sci-fi but at least its a bit less mainstream than Dances with Wolves.

With the amount of money put in the production of this movie they could have thrown in a few million dollars to write a somewhat good script when one considers that this is supposed to be THE James Cameron Movie.

Also various little things in the movie got to me such as the lack of bullet proof glass on gunships and mechs…I mean if you don’t have bullet proof (or arrow proof) glass in the 20-something century…don’t put a 4’x4’ windshield on your vehicle.

What happened to orbital strikes…or if no orbital strikes…air(or ground) to ground missiles…or if your in the Flux whatever zone where radars don’t work …just old fashion artillery and mortars or just a FOAB (father of all bombs) type weapon. Or airbomb or napalm type incendiary devices…

Another thing that bug me…why are the Na’vi purely Native American Indians, I mean they couldn’t find a different type of aboriginal culture that would be less cliché! I mean you have more than a century of sci-fi literature to find weird and interesting aliens/cultures take your pick…

And what about the world being fully realized…plant life was cool as where the insects but I personally thought that the most animals somewhat sucked, too similar to Earth life ( First the Triceratops with Hammerhead shark head, the pack of wild dogs, the lemurs, the black panther and the freaking HORSES (you can give them 6 legs it still a horse) (the flying animals were at least a bit more original).

Or for the more biologically/evolution inclined…the fact that multiple species synchronously developed neurologically-interactive tails/whiskers for animals (Na’Vi) to somewhat take control of them…one species you could have suspended disbelief (really not, but its sci-fi) but at least 3 (horse, banshee, and huge red flying beast of which only 4 or 5 instances of linking are reported).

The living planet thing has been done in other places, but the notion of a neurogenic network in plant life and trees (and eventually all the other animals) in this movie is just ridiculous. Why the hell would that evolve.

Frankly, while the cinematics are very good, in my opinion this is clearly not a game changer. Moreover, I do not understand most critics who fawned over this movie considering the incredibly crappy/redone to death story, zero character development, absence of emotional attachment, bad dialog and oh so many clichés ( I mean if your not making a B-movie you should have a limit of clichés you can use).

Golden Globes Best Motion Picture-Drama…WTF!!!
BAFTA Best Film !!!
Academy Awards…front runner for Best Picture!!!

I’am a guy who loves action and sci-fi movies(actually some of the only movies I go see on the big screen) and American cinema in general but I used to believe that a good movie had to have something beyond gorgeous visuals and badass action scenes.

For me it sadly was not a life changing experience and was kind of a pretty big let down…even if I expected to go see Dances with Wolves in Space.

I feel a bit jealous of those who thought it was world shattering…like the first time you saw The Matrix and you see the rows and rows of black and pink towers of people. (Although that had been discussed by various philosophers centuries before)

Anyway,
good day everyone.

AlexH

Spoiler:

It’s dances with wolves. But really pretty. And unfortunately the character I liked the most was that badass general guy with the scars, who the movie was apparently supposed to make me hate. The worst part, though, was the way that the movie just made me sigh and put my head in my hands for about 90% of it. Unobtanium. Carbon-fiber bones. You’re telling me they’re making bikes out of bones now? Low-gravity natives being really strong. General dude being literally Custer, right down to the ‘oh hey I’m going to stomp on a single tribe now. Wait shit now there are a lot of them. gets killed by arrows’. General dude saying that low gravity makes you weak and soft, fresh benching like 15 pounds because of the aforementioned low gravity. Worst of all, that was an expeditionary force. The ‘big army’ is going to come back in about 5 years, ignite the atmosphere of your shitty moon, and then mine out their valuable metal wearing spacesuits. Because we’re white peop-I mean humans. And that is, as it is said, how we do. But at least Cameron had the money to hire shitloads of artists so that the movie looks good.