I thought these buildings were “sacred”?
Why aren’t the “good muslims” up in arms??
Maybe they are only special when they suit your cause of the moment…
This is a bloody crime. What do you want me to do about it?
[quote]lixy wrote:
This is a bloody crime. What do you want me to do about it?[/quote]
How about you just answer the question without being defensive?
[quote]yusef wrote:
It is a shame that now people EXPECT muslims to violently retaliate, and if we don’t, then something is wrong.[/quote]
I’m just curious why it is okay for Muslims to attack a symbol of their religion?
[quote]yusef wrote:
[quote]3hitter wrote:
[quote]yusef wrote:
It is a shame that now people EXPECT muslims to violently retaliate, and if we don’t, then something is wrong.[/quote]
I’m just curious why it is okay for Muslims to attack a symbol of their religion?[/quote]
What would you suggest they do? More violence to solve the problem?[/quote]
You keep dodging a question. You’re Muslim, no? I would honestly like a simple question answered.
[quote]yusef wrote:
[quote]3hitter wrote:
[quote]yusef wrote:
It is a shame that now people EXPECT muslims to violently retaliate, and if we don’t, then something is wrong.[/quote]
I’m just curious why it is okay for Muslims to attack a symbol of their religion?[/quote]
What would you suggest they do? More violence to solve the problem?[/quote]
Yeah, because we all know cowering from them has kept women, religious minorities, apostates, and the elusive muslim moderate, safe and free.
It’s religion. It’s fucked up.
“I can kill because in God I trust”
[quote]yusef wrote:
[quote]3hitter wrote:
[quote]yusef wrote:
[quote]3hitter wrote:
[quote]yusef wrote:
It is a shame that now people EXPECT muslims to violently retaliate, and if we don’t, then something is wrong.[/quote]
I’m just curious why it is okay for Muslims to attack a symbol of their religion?[/quote]
What would you suggest they do? More violence to solve the problem?[/quote]
You keep dodging a question. You’re Muslim, no? I would honestly like a simple question answered.[/quote]
It is disallowed for a Muslim to attack a place of worship, whether it is a church, cynagogue or mosque. Suicide is also disallowed. The men in that article are naughty, and what they did is not ‘okay’.[/quote]
First, thank you for clearing that up.
In your opinion how do they solve the problem? How do your Muslim friends feel about this stituation and do you all talk about a solution?
[quote]3hitter wrote:
I thought these buildings were “sacred”?
Why aren’t the “good muslims” up in arms??
Maybe they are only special when they suit your cause of the moment…[/quote]
I think the lesson to Muslims here is pretty clear: stay the hell out of mosques.
During the earlier parts of the iraq war, the Sunnis and Shi’a were blowing up each other’s mosques like no tomorrow.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
[quote]3hitter wrote:
I thought these buildings were “sacred”?
Why aren’t the “good muslims” up in arms??
Maybe they are only special when they suit your cause of the moment…[/quote]
I think the lesson to Muslims here is pretty clear: stay the hell out of mosques.
During the earlier parts of the iraq war, the Sunnis and Shi’a were blowing up each other’s mosques like no tomorrow. [/quote]
And that just goes to show what a united front that Islam really is.
No really, those billions marching in lockstep are scary.
I think it would be best not to watch them from a distance how they blow themselves up but to wage a war against Islam so that they unite.
Its the only possible solution.
[quote]yusef wrote:
[quote]3hitter wrote:
In your opinion how do they solve the problem? How do your Muslim friends feel about this stituation and do you all talk about a solution?
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If they aren’t playing by the rules of islam there isn’t much you can do on behalf of the ‘good muslims’ unfortunately. I guess it should be treated as any other crime.[/quote]
Because, the Pakistani military hasn’t had a hard time of it. But yeah, let’s send a couple police cruisers out to execute arrest warrants.
[quote]PaddyM wrote:
It’s ISLAM It’s fucked up.
“I can kill because in God I trust”[/quote]
Fixed
[quote]yusef wrote:
[quote]PaddyM wrote:
It’s religion. It’s fucked up.
“I can kill because in God I trust”[/quote]
Can I also point out that I fail to see how this act could have any religious justification, and you would be hard pressed to find one.[/quote]
I agree that there is not a religious justification.
Secondary question. And again am looking for an honest answear from our Muslim brothers.
What would the Muslim reaction be around the world if a Mosque was attacked by America or any Western soldier. What if it was hit by a misguided missle?
I am honestly curious.
All I can say is, it’s a damn shame this happened. A suicide bomber attacking a mosque. Truely insane.
Now imagine for an instant that, instead of a suicide bomber, it was a US attack drone.
What a difference THAT would make.
All I know is I don’t see too many Protestants blowing up Cathedrals,or vice versa.There is one main unifying thread running through all these attacks,and the threats of violence that arise from many quarters when Islam is perceived to be maligned,slighted,insulted or impugned do nothing to dispel the notion that it is a backward,violent religion.And the lack of outrage from the ‘moderate’ sector when attacks or threats of violence arise is equally troubling.All in all,Muslims are their own worst p.r. nightmare,and mostly by their silence.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
All I know is I don’t see too many Protestants blowing up Cathedrals,or vice versa.There is one main unifying thread running through all these attacks,and the threats of violence that arise from many quarters when Islam is perceived to be maligned,slighted,insulted or impugned do nothing to dispel the notion that it is a backward,violent religion.And the lack of outrage from the ‘moderate’ sector when attacks or threats of violence arise is equally troubling.All in all,Muslims are their own worst p.r. nightmare,and mostly by their silence.[/quote]
Where was the outrcry when Protestants blew up Catholics and vice versa in Ireland?
Where the vigils, where the protests, where marches?
Au contraire, some of these bastards where financed by organizations in other Christian countries.
[quote]yusef wrote:
You’re acting as though this attack was done in the NAME of Islam. We both know that it was not. [/quote]
In what or who’s name was it done?
and orion, the war in Ireland is as much a religious war as a war against occupation, much like what is going on in Israel.
No one’s occupying Pakistan, extremists are at war with their government. It’s more akin to a civil war.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
All I know is I don’t see too many Protestants blowing up Cathedrals,or vice versa.There is one main unifying thread running through all these attacks,and the threats of violence that arise from many quarters when Islam is perceived to be maligned,slighted,insulted or impugned do nothing to dispel the notion that it is a backward,violent religion.And the lack of outrage from the ‘moderate’ sector when attacks or threats of violence arise is equally troubling.All in all,Muslims are their own worst p.r. nightmare,and mostly by their silence.[/quote]
If a person believes Islam is backward, violent religion, then there’s nothing a Muslim can do to dispel that notion. Absolutely nothing! You can argue, debate or scream all you want, and you’ll still be guilty by association and/or called a liar.
Add fairly well organized bunches of people dedicated to making Islam look as bad as it can be. Here, we can distinguish Islamists blowing up folks around the world from politicians, intellectuals and so-called keyboard warriors using the abundance of material provided by the Islamists, for political reasons. Check out the impressive hits that anti-Islam propaganda videos do on YouTube.
Muslims lost the PR war. It’s over folks. Muslims have become guilty by association. I don’t think you can talk sense into suicidal maniacs, but I also don’t think (anymore) that you can argue with people who think Muslims are silent in the face of what threatens them to a larger extent than it does you. Anyone who believes Muslims should be held accountable for a crime such as the one posted by the OP has already made up his mind, and will consider me and other Muslims guilty until proven innocent.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
and orion, the war in Ireland is as much a religious war as a war against occupation, much like what is going on in Israel.
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But that is very interesting!
Given that suicide bombers are also a result of occuption rather than religious fanaticism, what would that tell us about the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan?
I was comparing wars, not tactics.
Suicide bombers are not exclusive to occupation.
The 9-11 hijackers were not the result of occupation.
Kama kaze pilots were not the result of occupation.
And you are wrong, fanaticism, political, religious, ect, DO play a part suicide bombings.
The IRA did not (best of my knowlege) use suicide bombing as a tactic.
As far as your question goes…what would that tell us? You lost me there.