Atheism-o-Phobia Part 3

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[quote]forlife wrote:
<<< Come on, Tiribulus. I gave you a sincere response, and in return you quibble about word definitions and accuse me of not believing what I wrote. Again, I’ll ask you to respect my sincerity just as I respect yours.

I specifically mentioned joy in my last paragraph, and yes as a Christian I experienced soulful, transformational, redeeming joy as a result of my faith and acceptance of Christ.

Of course, I see things differently today than I did back then. But that doesn’t change the fact that I would have heartily echoed and affirmed every word you’ve written about Christ and his infinite, redeeming love. [/quote]I answered you already man. I can’t believe both of you. I’ll give ya credit for calculated discipline with these posts though.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sure, Catholics don’t follow their own Church’s stated morality all the time, but at least we have an absolute answer to the question of what is morally right that we always come back to.[/quote]

A: Having an absolue answer is bad when that answer is based on nonsense.

B: What does it matter that you “have an absolute answer” if (as has been proven time and time again) you’ll ignore that answer when it suits you to do so?[/quote]

Because as I pointed out, it never changes. It’s not truth if it changes.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
<<< Come on, Tiribulus. I gave you a sincere response, and in return you quibble about word definitions and accuse me of not believing what I wrote. Again, I’ll ask you to respect my sincerity just as I respect yours.

I specifically mentioned joy in my last paragraph, and yes as a Christian I experienced soulful, transformational, redeeming joy as a result of my faith and acceptance of Christ.

Of course, I see things differently today than I did back then. But that doesn’t change the fact that I would have heartily echoed and affirmed every word you’ve written about Christ and his infinite, redeeming love. [/quote]I answered you already man. I can’t believe both of you. I’ll give ya credit for calculated discipline with these posts though.
[/quote]

Your answer was a dismissive, “You may have been happy, but you didn’t know real joy as a Christian”. My reply was that yes, I did know real joy, and I fully partook in what I deeply believed to be the atonement, grace, and infinite love of Christ. Furthermore, I have deep joy and peace today, as a sincere agnostic.

It’s almost as if Christians have this need to derogate the joy and peace of others, to prove that joy and peace are only possible by following their particular beliefs. They can do so more convincingly with heathens that have never known Christ, but they don’t have an answer for people like me that were devoutly Christian for many years, and yet decided to discard those beliefs in the sincere pursuit of truth. All they can do is dismiss my former Christianity as somehow being inferior to theirs, and ignore when I tell them how how deeply converted and grateful for Christ’s atoning sacrifice that I was at the time.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Sure, Catholics don’t follow their own Church’s stated morality all the time, but at least we have an absolute answer to the question of what is morally right that we always come back to.[/quote]

A: Having an absolue answer is bad when that answer is based on nonsense.

B: What does it matter that you “have an absolute answer” if (as has been proven time and time again) you’ll ignore that answer when it suits you to do so?[/quote]

Because as I pointed out, it never changes. It’s not truth if it changes.[/quote]

And the fact that you say its true doesnt make it true. That your book of fairy tales says its true does not make it true.

The nonsense that comes out of your mouth never changing does not make the nonsense from your mouth true…

it just means you’re wrong the whole time.

If I tell you that you owe me five dollars, and I simply refuse to consider the fact that you might not, and I scream this “Fact” for my entire life, does that make it true, since it “never changed”?

Didn’t think so. Once again, your nonsense argument is based on nonsense principals. “Well, I never considered that I could be wrong, so I must be right, right??”

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[quote]forlife wrote:

It’s almost as if Christians have this need to derogate the joy and peace of others, to prove that joy and peace are only possible by following their particular beliefs. [/quote]

Let me explain some of the methods of the cult of christianity:

1: Get to kids as young as possible. They’ll see you as an authority figure (or, if you’re their parent, you will be one) and lack the congitive ability to discern plausible facts from nonsense fiction. They will believe whatever you tell them and spend their whole lives believing and spreading it.

2: Threaten nonbelievers with eternal punishment when they die. Nobody knows what happens when you die, and this scares most people - USE THIS FEAR TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. Tell them YOU do know what happens, and unless they agree with you and spread your religion, it’ll be something bad.

3: Meanwhile, tell them that YOU will get eternal reward when you die, and they can too, if they join your cult.

4: In fact, tell them that your magic book not only reveals what happens when you die, but answers many other questions no one has ever had a final answer for, such as “Why are we here?” and “Do my life and my actions really matter?” Its VERY IMPORTANT that you NEVER admit you could be wrong about ANYTHING, EVER. NEVER EVER, I cannot stress this enough. You MUST project the air of an absolute authority with “joy and peace” in your knowledge. If you shout the exact same thing for 50 years and the nonbeliever goes through periods of doubt, it PROVES you are right and he is wrong.

5: Speaking of “joy and peace”, tell the nonbeliever that your life is better than his because you are happier, thanks to your inerrant book of facts.

6: Claim your bible to be inerrant and claim you believe this because the bible says so. Is that circular, tautological reasoning? Why, you’d burn in hell just for asking that!

I could go on but I’m just bored.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< I could go on but I’m just bored.[/quote]Please do, I’m not. I promise I’ll read every word.

@ forlife:
The parable of the wheat and the tares explains everything.

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Not really, since my roots were pretty deep during my decades as a devout Christian. I know you don’t believe it, but it doesn’t change the truth.

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Ultimately it makes no difference what I believe.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< I could go on but I’m just bored.[/quote]Please do, I’m not. I promise I’ll read every word.

@ forlife:
The parable of the wheat and the tares explains everything.[/quote]

Why? So you can make up more nonsense to explain the other nonsense?

Or so you can claim that such unethical manipulation tactics are fine and dandy when your people do them?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

And the fact that you say its true doesnt make it true. That your book of fairy tales says its true does not make it true.
[/quote]

I never said it was true, because I said it was true. However, I do say it is true. And, so does Aristotle.

Tell me, where did Natural Law come from? Where and who wrote about it philosophically? Was it in the Bible? Or, was it written about and realized outside the Bible?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

It’s almost as if Christians have this need to derogate the joy and peace of others, to prove that joy and peace are only possible by following their particular beliefs. [/quote]

Let me explain some of the methods of the cult of christianity:

1: Get to kids as young as possible. They’ll see you as an authority figure (or, if you’re their parent, you will be one) and lack the congitive ability to discern plausible facts from nonsense fiction. They will believe whatever you tell them and spend their whole lives believing and spreading it.

2: Threaten nonbelievers with eternal punishment when they die. Nobody knows what happens when you die, and this scares most people - USE THIS FEAR TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. Tell them YOU do know what happens, and unless they agree with you and spread your religion, it’ll be something bad.

3: Meanwhile, tell them that YOU will get eternal reward when you die, and they can too, if they join your cult.

4: In fact, tell them that your magic book not only reveals what happens when you die, but answers many other questions no one has ever had a final answer for, such as “Why are we here?” and “Do my life and my actions really matter?” Its VERY IMPORTANT that you NEVER admit you could be wrong about ANYTHING, EVER. NEVER EVER, I cannot stress this enough. You MUST project the air of an absolute authority with “joy and peace” in your knowledge. If you shout the exact same thing for 50 years and the nonbeliever goes through periods of doubt, it PROVES you are right and he is wrong.

5: Speaking of “joy and peace”, tell the nonbeliever that your life is better than his because you are happier, thanks to your inerrant book of facts.

6: Claim your bible to be inerrant and claim you believe this because the bible says so. Is that circular, tautological reasoning? Why, you’d burn in hell just for asking that!

I could go on but I’m just bored.[/quote]

Sounds like someone’s a little scared. And, here is a question, what is wrong with being in a cult?

I’ll give you a clue, you’re in a cult as well. The cult of atheism, or agnosticism, or whatever. The cult of America, or UK, or where ever you are from. The word cult merely describes which culture you belong to. Halo has a cult, MW2 has a cult. T-Nation has a cult.

The more you speak the less you seem to know. And, tell me skeptic why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? If so, how do you purpose that you have got it right in this short of a life span?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? >>>[/quote]I think they got it wronger the longer they went.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

It’s almost as if Christians have this need to derogate the joy and peace of others, to prove that joy and peace are only possible by following their particular beliefs. [/quote]

Let me explain some of the methods of the cult of christianity:

1: Get to kids as young as possible. They’ll see you as an authority figure (or, if you’re their parent, you will be one) and lack the congitive ability to discern plausible facts from nonsense fiction. They will believe whatever you tell them and spend their whole lives believing and spreading it.

2: Threaten nonbelievers with eternal punishment when they die. Nobody knows what happens when you die, and this scares most people - USE THIS FEAR TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. Tell them YOU do know what happens, and unless they agree with you and spread your religion, it’ll be something bad.

3: Meanwhile, tell them that YOU will get eternal reward when you die, and they can too, if they join your cult.

4: In fact, tell them that your magic book not only reveals what happens when you die, but answers many other questions no one has ever had a final answer for, such as “Why are we here?” and “Do my life and my actions really matter?” Its VERY IMPORTANT that you NEVER admit you could be wrong about ANYTHING, EVER. NEVER EVER, I cannot stress this enough. You MUST project the air of an absolute authority with “joy and peace” in your knowledge. If you shout the exact same thing for 50 years and the nonbeliever goes through periods of doubt, it PROVES you are right and he is wrong.

5: Speaking of “joy and peace”, tell the nonbeliever that your life is better than his because you are happier, thanks to your inerrant book of facts.

6: Claim your bible to be inerrant and claim you believe this because the bible says so. Is that circular, tautological reasoning? Why, you’d burn in hell just for asking that!

I could go on but I’m just bored.[/quote]

Sounds like someone’s a little scared. And, here is a question, what is wrong with being in a cult?

I’ll give you a clue, you’re in a cult as well. The cult of atheism, or agnosticism, or whatever. The cult of America, or UK, or where ever you are from. The word cult merely describes which culture you belong to. Halo has a cult, MW2 has a cult. T-Nation has a cult.

The more you speak the less you seem to know. And, tell me skeptic why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? If so, how do you purpose that you have got it right in this short of a life span?[/quote]

  1. When faced with a nonbeliever, make personal attacks. Tell them they are stupid, or “scared”, or whatever else you can think of to put them on the defensive. Do not offer reasonable refutation of their arguments, but instead try to make it about THEM.

Care to throw some more BS my way? Or am I “just scared” because I realize that you accusing me of some fear is another tactic to manipulate me and get focus off of the practices that keep your religion alive?

If Christianity was true, you wouldnt need to accuse me of being scared. Then again, if it was true you wouldnt need to make up stories about eternal torment for not agreeing with you.

LOL @everything is a cult. I guess atheism is a religion too, yeah?

Lastly, the church has no authority because its based on a book of shit that -read this closely- never. fucking. happened.

The fact that you believe a man threw a stick down and that stick turned into a snake, then back into a stick, means you’re a -fucking- idiot. Period.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? >>>[/quote]I think they got it wronger the longer they went.
[/quote]

Originally, before the bible was put together, there were many different flavors of ‘Christianity’ that people wouldn’t even recognize it as such today. And I don’t mean the subtle differences like between Southern Baptist and Catholicism.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? >>>[/quote]I think they got it wronger the longer they went.
[/quote]

In 2007 the catholic church denies the existence of purgatory, despite the fact that it was taught to catholics “well into the 20th century.”, by the Catholic church.

So tell me, is the current catholic church correct that purgatory doesnt exist, or was the pre-2007 church correct that purgatory does exist?

Or are they just making this shit up as they go?

I know which horse I got my money on.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? >>>[/quote]I think they got it wronger the longer they went.
[/quote]

They that begs the question, what makes you think you got it right?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

It’s almost as if Christians have this need to derogate the joy and peace of others, to prove that joy and peace are only possible by following their particular beliefs. [/quote]

Let me explain some of the methods of the cult of christianity:

1: Get to kids as young as possible. They’ll see you as an authority figure (or, if you’re their parent, you will be one) and lack the congitive ability to discern plausible facts from nonsense fiction. They will believe whatever you tell them and spend their whole lives believing and spreading it.

2: Threaten nonbelievers with eternal punishment when they die. Nobody knows what happens when you die, and this scares most people - USE THIS FEAR TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. Tell them YOU do know what happens, and unless they agree with you and spread your religion, it’ll be something bad.

3: Meanwhile, tell them that YOU will get eternal reward when you die, and they can too, if they join your cult.

4: In fact, tell them that your magic book not only reveals what happens when you die, but answers many other questions no one has ever had a final answer for, such as “Why are we here?” and “Do my life and my actions really matter?” Its VERY IMPORTANT that you NEVER admit you could be wrong about ANYTHING, EVER. NEVER EVER, I cannot stress this enough. You MUST project the air of an absolute authority with “joy and peace” in your knowledge. If you shout the exact same thing for 50 years and the nonbeliever goes through periods of doubt, it PROVES you are right and he is wrong.

5: Speaking of “joy and peace”, tell the nonbeliever that your life is better than his because you are happier, thanks to your inerrant book of facts.

6: Claim your bible to be inerrant and claim you believe this because the bible says so. Is that circular, tautological reasoning? Why, you’d burn in hell just for asking that!

I could go on but I’m just bored.[/quote]

Sounds like someone’s a little scared. And, here is a question, what is wrong with being in a cult?

I’ll give you a clue, you’re in a cult as well. The cult of atheism, or agnosticism, or whatever. The cult of America, or UK, or where ever you are from. The word cult merely describes which culture you belong to. Halo has a cult, MW2 has a cult. T-Nation has a cult.

The more you speak the less you seem to know. And, tell me skeptic why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? If so, how do you purpose that you have got it right in this short of a life span?[/quote]

  1. When faced with a nonbeliever, make personal attacks. Tell them they are stupid, or “scared”, or whatever else you can think of to put them on the defensive. Do not offer reasonable refutation of their arguments, but instead try to make it about THEM.

Care to throw some more BS my way? Or am I “just scared” because I realize that you accusing me of some fear is another tactic to manipulate me and get focus off of the practices that keep your religion alive?

If Christianity was true, you wouldnt need to accuse me of being scared. Then again, if it was true you wouldnt need to make up stories about eternal torment for not agreeing with you.

LOL @everything is a cult. I guess atheism is a religion too, yeah?

Lastly, the church has no authority because its based on a book of shit that -read this closely- never. fucking. happened.

The fact that you believe a man threw a stick down and that stick turned into a snake, then back into a stick, means you’re a -fucking- idiot. Period.[/quote]

Let me explain some of the methods of the cult of Atheism:

  1. Don’t actually answer questions to help the questioner understand their position.

  2. Make ad hominem attacks on people that disagree with you.

  3. Repeatedly call people that believe the same as you idiots.

  4. Repeatedly declare that you’re right and make it the final judgement by saying, “Period.”

  5. ???

  6. Profit…I mean…Alone Forever.

I never made up a story about eternal torment for you not agreeing with me. I said you were being far-fetched, you were deluded, you were even scared to actually look at the facts.

A cult is basically the same as a culture, I didn’t say everything has a cult, there is no cult of trees that I’m aware of. However, cult is a group of people that are characteristically similar, usually categorized by beliefs.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? >>>[/quote]I think they got it wronger the longer they went.
[/quote]

Originally, before the bible was put together, there were many different flavors of ‘Christianity’ that people wouldn’t even recognize it as such today. And I don’t mean the subtle differences like between Southern Baptist and Catholicism.[/quote]

I’d think you’d realise if you read about those early Christians before the bible came around were Catholic. Just read the Early Fathers.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? >>>[/quote]I think they got it wronger the longer they went.
[/quote]

In 2007 the catholic church denies the existence of purgatory, despite the fact that it was taught to catholics “well into the 20th century.”, by the Catholic church.

So tell me, is the current catholic church correct that purgatory doesnt exist, or was the pre-2007 church correct that purgatory does exist?

Or are they just making this shit up as they go?

I know which horse I got my money on.[/quote]

The horse you’re betting on isn’t even in the fucking race.

This is just more proof you do not understand Christianity, let alone Catholicism, specifically.

Limbo is not purgatory. That article never onced say purgatory, and theologically limbo is not purgatory. Purgatory is doctrine, doctrine and dogma can never be changed…added to, but never taken away.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

It’s almost as if Christians have this need to derogate the joy and peace of others, to prove that joy and peace are only possible by following their particular beliefs. [/quote]

Let me explain some of the methods of the cult of christianity:

1: Get to kids as young as possible. They’ll see you as an authority figure (or, if you’re their parent, you will be one) and lack the congitive ability to discern plausible facts from nonsense fiction. They will believe whatever you tell them and spend their whole lives believing and spreading it.

2: Threaten nonbelievers with eternal punishment when they die. Nobody knows what happens when you die, and this scares most people - USE THIS FEAR TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. Tell them YOU do know what happens, and unless they agree with you and spread your religion, it’ll be something bad.

3: Meanwhile, tell them that YOU will get eternal reward when you die, and they can too, if they join your cult.

4: In fact, tell them that your magic book not only reveals what happens when you die, but answers many other questions no one has ever had a final answer for, such as “Why are we here?” and “Do my life and my actions really matter?” Its VERY IMPORTANT that you NEVER admit you could be wrong about ANYTHING, EVER. NEVER EVER, I cannot stress this enough. You MUST project the air of an absolute authority with “joy and peace” in your knowledge. If you shout the exact same thing for 50 years and the nonbeliever goes through periods of doubt, it PROVES you are right and he is wrong.

5: Speaking of “joy and peace”, tell the nonbeliever that your life is better than his because you are happier, thanks to your inerrant book of facts.

6: Claim your bible to be inerrant and claim you believe this because the bible says so. Is that circular, tautological reasoning? Why, you’d burn in hell just for asking that!

I could go on but I’m just bored.[/quote]

Sounds like someone’s a little scared. And, here is a question, what is wrong with being in a cult?

I’ll give you a clue, you’re in a cult as well. The cult of atheism, or agnosticism, or whatever. The cult of America, or UK, or where ever you are from. The word cult merely describes which culture you belong to. Halo has a cult, MW2 has a cult. T-Nation has a cult.

The more you speak the less you seem to know. And, tell me skeptic why do you deny the Church’s Authority? Do you think that two thousand years of thinking they have not got it right? If so, how do you purpose that you have got it right in this short of a life span?[/quote]

  1. When faced with a nonbeliever, make personal attacks. Tell them they are stupid, or “scared”, or whatever else you can think of to put them on the defensive. Do not offer reasonable refutation of their arguments, but instead try to make it about THEM.

Care to throw some more BS my way? Or am I “just scared” because I realize that you accusing me of some fear is another tactic to manipulate me and get focus off of the practices that keep your religion alive?

If Christianity was true, you wouldnt need to accuse me of being scared. Then again, if it was true you wouldnt need to make up stories about eternal torment for not agreeing with you.

LOL @everything is a cult. I guess atheism is a religion too, yeah?

Lastly, the church has no authority because its based on a book of shit that -read this closely- never. fucking. happened.

The fact that you believe a man threw a stick down and that stick turned into a snake, then back into a stick, means you’re a -fucking- idiot. Period.[/quote]

Let me explain some of the methods of the cult of Atheism:

  1. Don’t actually answer questions to help the questioner understand their position.

  2. Make ad hominem attacks on people that disagree with you.

  3. Repeatedly call people that believe the same as you idiots.

  4. Repeatedly declare that you’re right and make it the final judgement by saying, “Period.”

  5. ???

  6. Profit…I mean…Alone Forever.

I never made up a story about eternal torment for you not agreeing with me. I said you were being far-fetched, you were deluded, you were even scared to actually look at the facts.

A cult is basically the same as a culture, I didn’t say everything has a cult, there is no cult of trees that I’m aware of. However, cult is a group of people that are characteristically similar, usually categorized by beliefs.
[/quote]

cult of trees=druids

Hmm… that’s what I should become… a reformed zen druid… finally I have the answers…