Atheism-o-Phobia Part 3

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Personally I don’t think you’re any closer to the truth, or any more clever than the rest of the atheists on the board.[/quote]

Well, putting aside the fact that you’re ill-equipped to be able to tell anyway, it is harder to stand out when you’re arguing on the side who has almost all the smart people. What’s your excuse for your daily dreary drivel droppings?

As for truth, it’s laughable that you even bring it up, seeing as what you call truth is a mythic fairy tale that got etched in your young malformed brain by your parents way before you had sufficient reasoning ability to be able to critically analyze it. There’s a good reason all religions are gung-ho about getting to kids while they’re young, ignorant and unable to reason very well.

Your quest for truth amounts to nothing more than finding other self-deluded sufferers so that you may mutually reassure yourselves that those old stories are all true even - hell, especially - those that are patently absurd. Hint: Dying on a cross is not a sacrifice if you’re an eternal god who can do anything. Good theater? Maybe. A loving self-sacrifice? Please.

What you call truth, I want to stay as far away from as possible.

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applause

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[quote]pookie wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Personally I don’t think you’re any closer to the truth, or any more clever than the rest of the atheists on the board.

Well, putting aside the fact that you’re ill-equipped to be able to tell anyway, it is harder to stand out when you’re arguing on the side who has almost all the smart people. What’s your excuse for your daily dreary drivel droppings?

As for truth, it’s laughable that you even bring it up, seeing as what you call truth is a mythic fairy tale that got etched in your young malformed brain by your parents way before you had sufficient reasoning ability to be able to critically analyze it. There’s a good reason all religions are gung-ho about getting to kids while they’re young, ignorant and unable to reason very well.

Your quest for truth amounts to nothing more than finding other self-deluded sufferers so that you may mutually reassure yourselves that those old stories are all true even - hell, especially - those that are patently absurd. Hint: Dying on a cross is not a sacrifice if you’re an eternal god who can do anything. Good theater? Maybe. A loving self-sacrifice? Please.

What you call truth, I want to stay as far away from as possible.
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Wow, two posts directed at me from his royal heathen. Why all the attention pookie? Have you not hit your quota of Christian bashing this quarter? And all this for a God that doesn’t even exist? Hmm, I think someone has a problem. A tad insecure about your own brand of religion? You are no less a fundamentalist than the typical street corner preacher babbling on as people pass by and look the other way. At least at the end of the day the street corner preacher while obnoxious is at least correct. You get to be both obnoxious and wrong.

Hallelujah Pookie! You’re filled with the lack of the holy spirit (hmm now what is the opposite of that?). Go get em pookie keep railing against… something that doesn’t exist? Ah, details, just keep the hate flowing somehow that will help you feel better about…what? Oh yes, something that doesn’t exist. Keep going there are no lack of free thinking enlightened atheist wonder boys that will applaud your every move. “He’s on our side pump it up, pump it up.”

Ha ha, it’s all good (for me at least) pookie, keep railing.

I think from this point forward I’ll just share Bible verses with you. I’m sure there’s no shortage of stand pat answers in your atheist play book that will take care of these nasty ole’ Bible verses.

Let’s begin with this one - Bye pookie, you have a good night and SLEEP WELL :slight_smile:

John 15:18

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pookie wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Personally I don’t think you’re any closer to the truth, or any more clever than the rest of the atheists on the board.

Well, putting aside the fact that you’re ill-equipped to be able to tell anyway, it is harder to stand out when you’re arguing on the side who has almost all the smart people. What’s your excuse for your daily dreary drivel droppings?

As for truth, it’s laughable that you even bring it up, seeing as what you call truth is a mythic fairy tale that got etched in your young malformed brain by your parents way before you had sufficient reasoning ability to be able to critically analyze it. There’s a good reason all religions are gung-ho about getting to kids while they’re young, ignorant and unable to reason very well.

Your quest for truth amounts to nothing more than finding other self-deluded sufferers so that you may mutually reassure yourselves that those old stories are all true even - hell, especially - those that are patently absurd. Hint: Dying on a cross is not a sacrifice if you’re an eternal god who can do anything. Good theater? Maybe. A loving self-sacrifice? Please.

What you call truth, I want to stay as far away from as possible.
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Wow, two posts directed at me from his royal heathen. Why all the attention pookie? Have you not hit your quota of Christian bashing this quarter? And all this for a God that doesn’t even exist? Hmm, I think someone has a problem. A tad insecure about your own brand of religion? You are no less a fundamentalist than the typical street corner preacher babbling on as people pass by and look the other way. At least at the end of the day the street corner preacher while obnoxious is at least correct. You get to be both obnoxious and wrong.

Hallelujah Pookie! You’re filled with the lack of the holy spirit (hmm now what is the opposite of that?). Go get em pookie keep railing against… something that doesn’t exist? Ah, details, just keep the hate flowing somehow that will help you feel better about…what? Oh yes, something that doesn’t exist. Keep going there are no lack of free thinking enlightened atheist wonder boys that will applaud your every move. “He’s on our side pump it up, pump it up.”

Ha ha, it’s all good (for me at least) pookie, keep railing.

I think from this point forward I’ll just share Bible verses with you. I’m sure there’s no shortage of stand pat answers in your atheist play book that will take care of these nasty ole’ Bible verses.

Let’s begin with this one - Bye pookie, you have a good night and SLEEP WELL :slight_smile:

John 15:18

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I read your scripture. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t hate you or your religion. I do hate this squabbling (both sides). I see both a lot of atheism-o-phobia and religioun-a-phobia here. I think both are bad. Neither Christian, deists, religious non-theist, non-theist religious, Hindu, atheist, agnostic, etc will get anything out of this.

Let’s have a new subject. I personally can’t think of one at the moment, but if someone can chime in with one before me I’d be happy to entertain the idea.

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It’s a defense mechanism for some believers to interpret any disagreement as hatred and persecution. It gives them a feeling of specialness. After all, if people hate us so badly, maybe that’s because they’re jealous or in denial of what we have. Right?

The possibility of honest disagreement doesn’t fit into their world view, even when they disagree with other believers. If people disagree, surely it is because they have a hidden agenda and don’t really care about the truth!

I’m with you. I don’t hate believers at all. I’ve been there myself, so how could I possibly hate people for believing what I earnestly believed for so many years? I think there are many good, sincere people of all faiths.

That doesn’t mean I agree with their beliefs, or that I won’t continue to share the lessons learned in my own pursuit of truth. But as long as they are happy and don’t try to enforce their beliefs on me through civil laws, I have no problem with them and think they are probably where they should be, at least for now.

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[quote]pookie wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Personally I don’t think you’re any closer to the truth, or any more clever than the rest of the atheists on the board.[/quote]

Well, putting aside the fact that you’re ill-equipped to be able to tell anyway, it is harder to stand out when you’re arguing on the side who has almost all the smart people. What’s your excuse for your daily dreary drivel droppings?

As for truth, it’s laughable that you even bring it up, seeing as what you call truth is a mythic fairy tale that got etched in your young malformed brain by your parents way before you had sufficient reasoning ability to be able to critically analyze it. There’s a good reason all religions are gung-ho about getting to kids while they’re young, ignorant and unable to reason very well.

Your quest for truth amounts to nothing more than finding other self-deluded sufferers so that you may mutually reassure yourselves that those old stories are all true even - hell, especially - those that are patently absurd. Hint: Dying on a cross is not a sacrifice if you’re an eternal god who can do anything. Good theater? Maybe. A loving self-sacrifice? Please.

What you call truth, I want to stay as far away from as possible.
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standing ovation

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[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s a defense mechanism for some believers to interpret any disagreement as hatred and persecution. It gives them a feeling of specialness. After all, if people hate us so badly, maybe that’s because they’re jealous or in denial of what we have. Right?

The possibility of honest disagreement doesn’t fit into their world view, even when they disagree with other believers. If people disagree, surely it is because they have a hidden agenda and don’t really care about the truth!
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I have no problem with honest disagreement. It’s the name calling, things like referring to my faith as a “fairy tale” calling God a “sky wizard”. This is not just immature, but incredibly insensitive to those of us who believe in God. I brought this up to Cap in one of our arguments and Cap was mature enough to agree. Since that time I have not seen him post anything of the kind. And my respect for him has risen because of that. And we’ve all been insensitive regarding another;s belief’s. Disagreement is fine. How we disagree with each other is usually the problem, and it’s not just this thread.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s a defense mechanism for some believers to interpret any disagreement as hatred and persecution. It gives them a feeling of specialness. After all, if people hate us so badly, maybe that’s because they’re jealous or in denial of what we have. Right?

The possibility of honest disagreement doesn’t fit into their world view, even when they disagree with other believers. If people disagree, surely it is because they have a hidden agenda and don’t really care about the truth!
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I have no problem with honest disagreement. It’s the name calling, things like referring to my faith as a “fairy tale” calling God a “sky wizard”. This is not just immature, but incredibly insensitive to those of us who believe in God. I brought this up to Cap in one of our arguments and Cap was mature enough to agree. Since that time I have not seen him post anything of the kind. And my respect for him has risen because of that. And we’ve all been insensitive regarding another;s belief’s. Disagreement is fine. How we disagree with each other is usually the problem, and it’s not just this thread.
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In my defense and his, the christian interpretation of god is exactly that of a person with supernatural powers who resides in a place far above our heads.

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One of my biggest problems with religion is that it becomes a bulletproof shield through which no logic, reason, or rationality can penetrate, and takes responsibility away from the religious to defend their positions.

“I think homosexuality is wrong, it’s part of my religion.” “I believe men should have the final say in all decisions for a family, its part of my religion.” “I think women should have to cover their faces in public, my religion.” “No one should ever be allowed a divorce, my religion.”

So, I decided to start my own religion, one of the tenants of which is to not respect other peoples religions.

And all the religious folk can’t really argue, after all, its part of my religion, right?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s a defense mechanism for some believers to interpret any disagreement as hatred and persecution. It gives them a feeling of specialness. After all, if people hate us so badly, maybe that’s because they’re jealous or in denial of what we have. Right?

The possibility of honest disagreement doesn’t fit into their world view, even when they disagree with other believers. If people disagree, surely it is because they have a hidden agenda and don’t really care about the truth!
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I have no problem with honest disagreement. It’s the name calling, things like referring to my faith as a “fairy tale” calling God a “sky wizard”. This is not just immature, but incredibly insensitive to those of us who believe in God. I brought this up to Cap in one of our arguments and Cap was mature enough to agree. Since that time I have not seen him post anything of the kind. And my respect for him has risen because of that. And we’ve all been insensitive regarding another;s belief’s. Disagreement is fine. How we disagree with each other is usually the problem, and it’s not just this thread.
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In my defense and his, the christian interpretation of god is exactly that of a person with supernatural powers who resides in a place far above our heads.
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There is no defense for offending someone of faith. And I thought this was behind us. You’ve just told me why you used to say it, but you cannot justify it this way. Let me give you a comparison. Forlife is gay and if I called him any number of derogatory names because of it I would be acting insensitive to him (the world grasps this one). And while he and I have probably hundreds of posts back and forth I have never once used any of these derogatory names to define him. Of course we have called each other no good liars before—but thats’ another matter. :slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s a defense mechanism for some believers to interpret any disagreement as hatred and persecution. It gives them a feeling of specialness. After all, if people hate us so badly, maybe that’s because they’re jealous or in denial of what we have. Right?

The possibility of honest disagreement doesn’t fit into their world view, even when they disagree with other believers. If people disagree, surely it is because they have a hidden agenda and don’t really care about the truth!
[/quote]

I have no problem with honest disagreement. It’s the name calling, things like referring to my faith as a “fairy tale” calling God a “sky wizard”. This is not just immature, but incredibly insensitive to those of us who believe in God. I brought this up to Cap in one of our arguments and Cap was mature enough to agree. Since that time I have not seen him post anything of the kind. And my respect for him has risen because of that. And we’ve all been insensitive regarding another;s belief’s. Disagreement is fine. How we disagree with each other is usually the problem, and it’s not just this thread.
[/quote]

In my defense and his, the christian interpretation of god is exactly that of a person with supernatural powers who resides in a place far above our heads.
[/quote]

There is no defense for offending someone of faith. And I thought this was behind us. You’ve just told me why you used to say it, but you cannot justify it this way. Let me give you a comparison. Forlife is gay and if I called him any number of derogatory names because of it I would be acting insensitive to him (the world grasps this one). And while he and I have probably hundreds of posts back and forth I have never once used any of these derogatory names to define him. Of course we have called each other no good liars before—but thats’ another matter. :slight_smile:
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I’ll agree being intentionally offensive is undefensable. But dammit its just fun sometimes.

You’ve never made fun of scientologists?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
One of my biggest problems with religion is that it becomes a bulletproof shield through which no logic, reason, or rationality can penetrate, and takes responsibility away from the religious to defend their positions.

“I think homosexuality is wrong, it’s part of my religion.” “I believe men should have the final say in all decisions for a family, its part of my religion.” “I think women should have to cover their faces in public, my religion.” “No one should ever be allowed a divorce, my religion.”

So, I decided to start my own religion, one of the tenants of which is to not respect other peoples religions.

And all the religious folk can’t really argue, after all, its part of my religion, right?[/quote]

I think most atheists already belong to your religon. But, I get what you’re saying and it becomes frustrating trying to have a discussion with religious folks as they refer back to their Bible relative to right and wrong. But at least from my perspective the Bible acts as a base for right and wrong. Without this base I find the world moving the ball further and further down field. And without a base of…call it rules to live by, what is right and wrong? The worlds answer is that there is no right and wrong it’s just what’s best for you. A seemingly harmless answer but what happens when your right becomes someone else’s wrong? For example, I am a strong anti abortion advocate. If someone gets an abortion it may be right for her (at least at the time), but it’s very wrong for the child which is torn from the womb and feels pain in the process.

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Offending someone of faith is really not different from offending someone for whatever reason. Sometimes there is a clearly discernible reason, sometimes there is not.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s a defense mechanism for some believers to interpret any disagreement as hatred and persecution. It gives them a feeling of specialness. After all, if people hate us so badly, maybe that’s because they’re jealous or in denial of what we have. Right?

The possibility of honest disagreement doesn’t fit into their world view, even when they disagree with other believers. If people disagree, surely it is because they have a hidden agenda and don’t really care about the truth!
[/quote]

I have no problem with honest disagreement. It’s the name calling, things like referring to my faith as a “fairy tale” calling God a “sky wizard”. This is not just immature, but incredibly insensitive to those of us who believe in God. I brought this up to Cap in one of our arguments and Cap was mature enough to agree. Since that time I have not seen him post anything of the kind. And my respect for him has risen because of that. And we’ve all been insensitive regarding another;s belief’s. Disagreement is fine. How we disagree with each other is usually the problem, and it’s not just this thread.
[/quote]

In my defense and his, the christian interpretation of god is exactly that of a person with supernatural powers who resides in a place far above our heads.
[/quote]

There is no defense for offending someone of faith. And I thought this was behind us. You’ve just told me why you used to say it, but you cannot justify it this way. Let me give you a comparison. Forlife is gay and if I called him any number of derogatory names because of it I would be acting insensitive to him (the world grasps this one). And while he and I have probably hundreds of posts back and forth I have never once used any of these derogatory names to define him. Of course we have called each other no good liars before—but thats’ another matter. :slight_smile:
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I’ll agree being intentionally offensive is undefensable. But dammit its just fun sometimes.

You’ve never made fun of scientologists?[/quote]

Of course it’s fun, that’s why I get so carried away on this freakin board - And no I’ve never made fun of scientologists. I figure any religion that has Tom Cruise as a member needs all the help it can get.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
One of my biggest problems with religion is that it becomes a bulletproof shield through which no logic, reason, or rationality can penetrate, and takes responsibility away from the religious to defend their positions.

“I think homosexuality is wrong, it’s part of my religion.” “I believe men should have the final say in all decisions for a family, its part of my religion.” “I think women should have to cover their faces in public, my religion.” “No one should ever be allowed a divorce, my religion.”

So, I decided to start my own religion, one of the tenants of which is to not respect other peoples religions.

And all the religious folk can’t really argue, after all, its part of my religion, right?[/quote]

I think most atheists already belong to your religon. But, I get what you’re saying and it becomes frustrating trying to have a discussion with religious folks as they refer back to their Bible relative to right and wrong. But at least from my perspective the Bible acts as a base for right and wrong. Without this base I find the world moving the ball further and further down field. And without a base of…call it rules to live by, what is right and wrong? The worlds answer is that there is no right and wrong it’s just what’s best for you. A seemingly harmless answer but what happens when your right becomes someone else’s wrong? For example, I am a strong anti abortion advocate. If someone gets an abortion it may be right for her (at least at the time), but it’s very wrong for the child which is torn from the womb and feels pain in the process.

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Well, what trips me up often in religious debates is religious people use the logic that “Since x is good, my x is good.” They defend faith as being healthy, and draw the conclusion that faith in their religion is good. Or that having a firm base of morals is good, therefore having their bible as a base of morals is good.

Or the logic that “if you are unsure and I am sure, I am right.” So, since people who trust evolution to be the best explanation for humanity admit there are holes in the theory, and Christians deny any holes in genesis, the christians claim this is proof they are right. Likewise, many nonreligious folk will say they are uncertain of absolute moral laws, and Christians say absolute moral laws come from the bible, and decide their position to be better.

Morality is entirely a human concept, and therefore subjective to humans. If you removed humanity from the planet, there would be no “rules” governing right or wrong. Sometimes the lion gets the zebra and eats, sometimes the zebra gets away and the lion starves, neither is morally right or morally wrong.

Agree on this last point or disagree?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s a defense mechanism for some believers to interpret any disagreement as hatred and persecution. It gives them a feeling of specialness. After all, if people hate us so badly, maybe that’s because they’re jealous or in denial of what we have. Right?

The possibility of honest disagreement doesn’t fit into their world view, even when they disagree with other believers. If people disagree, surely it is because they have a hidden agenda and don’t really care about the truth!
[/quote]

I have no problem with honest disagreement. It’s the name calling, things like referring to my faith as a “fairy tale” calling God a “sky wizard”. This is not just immature, but incredibly insensitive to those of us who believe in God. I brought this up to Cap in one of our arguments and Cap was mature enough to agree. Since that time I have not seen him post anything of the kind. And my respect for him has risen because of that. And we’ve all been insensitive regarding another;s belief’s. Disagreement is fine. How we disagree with each other is usually the problem, and it’s not just this thread.
[/quote]

In my defense and his, the christian interpretation of god is exactly that of a person with supernatural powers who resides in a place far above our heads.
[/quote]

There is no defense for offending someone of faith. And I thought this was behind us. You’ve just told me why you used to say it, but you cannot justify it this way. Let me give you a comparison. Forlife is gay and if I called him any number of derogatory names because of it I would be acting insensitive to him (the world grasps this one). And while he and I have probably hundreds of posts back and forth I have never once used any of these derogatory names to define him. Of course we have called each other no good liars before—but thats’ another matter. :slight_smile:
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There’s no defense for offending someone of faith…but it’s ok to repeatedly insult a man’s integrity and accuse him of leaving his wife and children because he is gay. Classic double standard antics from the clown, the entertainment is priceless.

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[quote]pookie wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Personally I don’t think you’re any closer to the truth, or any more clever than the rest of the atheists on the board.[/quote]

Well, putting aside the fact that you’re ill-equipped to be able to tell anyway, it is harder to stand out when you’re arguing on the side who has almost all the smart people. What’s your excuse for your daily dreary drivel droppings?

As for truth, it’s laughable that you even bring it up, seeing as what you call truth is a mythic fairy tale that got etched in your young malformed brain by your parents way before you had sufficient reasoning ability to be able to critically analyze it. There’s a good reason all religions are gung-ho about getting to kids while they’re young, ignorant and unable to reason very well.

Your quest for truth amounts to nothing more than finding other self-deluded sufferers so that you may mutually reassure yourselves that those old stories are all true even - hell, especially - those that are patently absurd. Hint: Dying on a cross is not a sacrifice if you’re an eternal god who can do anything. Good theater? Maybe. A loving self-sacrifice? Please.

What you call truth, I want to stay as far away from as possible.
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[quote]forlife wrote:
There’s no defense for offending someone of faith…but it’s ok to repeatedly insult a man’s integrity and accuse him of leaving his wife and children because he is gay. Classic double standard antics from the clown, the entertainment is priceless. [/quote]

Perhaps the first thing that popped into my head when I read his tripe. He may not use offensive terms to describe you, but the stuff he posts is just as bad, if not worse.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
It’s a defense mechanism for some believers to interpret any disagreement as hatred and persecution. It gives them a feeling of specialness. After all, if people hate us so badly, maybe that’s because they’re jealous or in denial of what we have. Right?

The possibility of honest disagreement doesn’t fit into their world view, even when they disagree with other believers. If people disagree, surely it is because they have a hidden agenda and don’t really care about the truth!
[/quote]

I have no problem with honest disagreement. It’s the name calling, things like referring to my faith as a “fairy tale” calling God a “sky wizard”. This is not just immature, but incredibly insensitive to those of us who believe in God. I brought this up to Cap in one of our arguments and Cap was mature enough to agree. Since that time I have not seen him post anything of the kind. And my respect for him has risen because of that. And we’ve all been insensitive regarding another;s belief’s. Disagreement is fine. How we disagree with each other is usually the problem, and it’s not just this thread.
[/quote]

In my defense and his, the christian interpretation of god is exactly that of a person with supernatural powers who resides in a place far above our heads.
[/quote]

There is no defense for offending someone of faith. And I thought this was behind us. You’ve just told me why you used to say it, but you cannot justify it this way. Let me give you a comparison. Forlife is gay and if I called him any number of derogatory names because of it I would be acting insensitive to him (the world grasps this one). And while he and I have probably hundreds of posts back and forth I have never once used any of these derogatory names to define him. Of course we have called each other no good liars before—but thats’ another matter. :slight_smile:
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There’s no defense for offending someone of faith…but it’s ok to repeatedly insult a man’s integrity and accuse him of leaving his wife and children because he is gay. Classic double standard antics from the clown, the entertainment is priceless. [/quote]

You had a choice to make and you chose to look for what you thought were your own best interests. Yes, I questioned that, and I’m sure someday you will know the pain that you wreaked on your young family.

And as far as the name calling goes you take second place to no one.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

Perhaps the first thing that popped into my head when I read his tripe. He may not use offensive terms to describe you, but the stuff he posts is just as bad, if not worse.[/quote]

First of all I’m glad, no thrilled that something actually popped into your head. Secondly, sometimes the truth hurts. Finally, as far as posting “tripe” you get the award man - you really do.