[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
What I don’t agree with is predetermining what a person is, what they will work as, who they are merely on the date they were born. How is that possible?
I’ve challenged friends and families in the past on their “conviction” to what their astrological sign said. I realise it’s a part of modern culture but certainly not something intelligent, learned and practical people would follow.
One example is a very close family member who’s DOB according to documentation is 8/9 - BUT this was incorrectly entered since the actual DOB was 3/9. There was a mix-up in dates during school registration and the incorrect date stuck, along with “conviction” of following the incorrect star sign. Not to mention a year apart in dates![/quote]
A person is much more than just their Sun sign. And what people self report is often not a reflection of reality any more in the astrological world than in the bodybuilding world. Describe a person’s Moon sign (Moon ruling the unconscious. the emotions) to them and they’ll often deny it. Describe it to their spouse or long term romantic partner and they’ll respond, 99/100 times, “Wow, that is exactly what they’re like!” Then describe how they are in bed or in a fight by looking at their Mars sign. The person may or may not be in agreement but the spouse or partner will 99/100 times tell you “yep that is exactly how they are”.
A primer:
Sun = conscious identity
Moon = emotional needs
Risisng = physical representative
Mercury = how you speak, write, think
Mars = how you fight, how you fuck
Venus = what gets you in the mood for fighting or fucking
Jupiter = where you’re confident, generous
Saturn = where you’re fearful, where you work hard
and so forth . . . A person with their Moon, Mars, and Venus in Aries but their Sun in Cancer . . . well they’re going to have the emotional needs of an Aries, they’re going to fight and fuck like an Aries, they’re going to dress like an Aries, but they will derive their conscious identity from Cancerian themes.
Example: Barack Obama is a Leo Sun, Gemini Moon. But he has Mars (how he fights) in Virgo (the sign of precision and cleanliness). What are his weapon(s) of choice? Things like aerial drones and Seal Team Six, both of which are reputed for their “precision” and “cleanliess.” He’ll never launch nukes. Hilary Clinton, on the other hand, has Mars (how she fights) in Scorpio (extremes). She’d launch nukes if it came down to it.
Tim Lincecum is a Gemini Sun, Capricorn Moon. But his Mars is in Scorpio, the sign of extremes, and it is conjunct Saturn, the planet of hard work. Scorpio is also the sign associated with overwhelming power from small things. Nuclear energy, for instance, is considered Scorpionic. A 5’9’ guy at 150 pounds throwing 100 mph out of college after years of hard work to develop that delivery . . . that is what Mars (fighting) conjunct Saturn (hard work) in Scorpio (extremes, nuclear power) is capable of: “Hard Work (Saturn) Merged (Conjoined) with Fighting (Mars) Involving Extreme Levels of Power (Scorpio)” But you would never know that if you only looked at his Sun sign. You could have showed his chart to any half-decent astrologer at age 8 and while they would not have predicted 2 Cy Youngs by age 25 but they would have said “the kid has tremendous athletic potential, make sure it gets harnessed in some way.”
Then there are aspects, most people have 4-6 major ones which will then modify how those respective planets operate.
Then on top of that there are house positions which indicate what arenas of life which planets (psyche functions) with which traits (signs) will show up in which arenas of life.
Check the Sun/Moon profiles on my site to get just feel of how some of the 144 Sun/Moon combos work: http://www.savinarholistic.com There are plenty on there of folks that might be of interest to more open minded T-Nation readers.