Astrological Analysis of MMA, WWE, MLB

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[quote]mattsavinar wrote:
Wondering if there are any T-Nation folks who are also into astrology? I’ve done up the charts of lots of MMA, WWE, MLB folks for anybody who is curious:

Sun in Aries, Moon in Capricorn (Gina Carano from MMA)
http://savinarholistic.com/?p=4526

Sun in Aries, Moon in Gemini (Amy Dumas from the WWE)
http://savinarholistic.com/?p=954

Sun in Leo, Moon in Capricorn (Arnold and Triple H from the WWE)
http://savinarholistic.com/?p=6494

Sun in Cancer, Moon in Libra (Derek Jeter)
http://savinarholistic.com/?p=3151

I’ve done lots of others that might be of interest to T-Nation: Bob Gibson, Scott Boras, Lynda Carter, etc. Just click on Sun/Moon profiles at my site.(Hope this doesn’t come off as spam, that is not my intent)

Also have looked at the charts of all the recent Mr. Olympias. Have noticed they tend to either have Capricorn Moons or Saturn on the South Node, which would be similar in effect to a Cap Moon.[/quote]

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So which one of you is the wizard?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
His join date is 2005, level 4 so maybe he is this Matt Savinar fella? Obviously Mr Savinar must be a little eccentric being a licensed attorney who makes his living as an astrologer…

Single Answer Questions: $50

These run 300-400 words or about 3-5 paragraphs. A list of the type of questions I?m able to answer can be found here. I require three business days from the date of purchase to complete my answer(s).

Written Natal Chart Analysis and Consultation: $250

These run approximately 4,000 words. Each one is entirely original analysis that I write myself…I base my initial analysis on your moon, your nodes, and the 2-3 most important aspects your chart.

My moon and my nodes?[/quote]

Yes. If your moon and nodes are dominant, your pants must be descending. Buy a belt.

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I’m Libra :wink:

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Truth.

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[quote]Mascherano wrote:
Truth.[/quote]

LOL!

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[quote]JSMaxwell wrote:

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I’m not familiar at all with what TCM is so I cannot comment on it. However, I am intimately familiar with astrology.

As best I can tell, it is both scientifically empty and morally bankrupt.

  • The mechanisms that are proposed (humans are influenced by the celestial bodies, proportionate to their distance ) are completely invalid, have never been proven, and do not take into account things like comets, meteors, and many other things that have gravity (like the doctor birthing you (who has more gravitational influence than the moon does), for example)Precession, (which would completely shift each star sign over by one every 2000 years) just to name a few.

  • There exists NO plausible mechanism for its workings (HOW would celestial bodies influence us? By what “force” does it exert its power)

  • Astrology has been giving iron clad recommendations for centuries… All the while astronomy has been finding new bodies and then astrology incorporates those findings into its cannon. How come astrology hadn’t accounted for those “influences” before science found them? Very curious.

  • There have been NO reproducibly valid studies to show that any effect exists, and in fact there ARE studies that show that birth month has NO influence on any number of measurable factors.

  • Under proper blinding, people will rate ANY reading for ANY star sign as being just as accurate as any other reading.

  • And as for its moral implication, it pigeon holes people into “types” that they cannot escape from based purely on the day they were born. Kinda like being born black, or jewish, or whatever your favorite minority is. There are companies that will NOT hire certain star signs… This is not a joke.

Continuing with the moral implications, astrology quite obviously states that EVERY person is a “victim of circumstance”… Sorry, you’ll never be ________, that’s only for Libras!

How ignorant and bigoted would it sound for someone to say “He acts that way because he is black/mexican/jewish” … Vs “He acts that way because he is a scorpio/libra/virgo”

I’m willing to change my mind if you can show me evidence (although I wont be holding my breath). On the other hand, I will happily provide the evidence for my claims at my own expense of time.

I wont stand for this type of irrationality here, and I hope other T-Nation members wont either. Please dont bother to take it elsewhere, just stop it all together. Its complete nonsense and it has no place in a rational world except to serve as an example of one of the many ways humans can be fooled by their own pattern recognition.[/quote]

Thanks. You saved me lots of work by typing out what I wanted to say. It is this type of magical thinking that keeps society and societies down and in trouble. The same type of thinking that supports astrology also supports ideas like, “You can cure AIDS if you have sex with a virgin,” “Lets take a bath in the same river we dump our sewage in because its sacred.”
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Astrology isn’t witchcraft or superstition. Historically, astrology indirectly led to some very significant scientific breakthroughs, but it was only one part of the ancient hermetic practices that ironically eventually disproved astrology: Newton was a devoted alchemist; astrology was a branch of alchemy and it helped Newton to formulate his inverse square law.

Modern astrology, however, is new-age guff.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]mattsavinar wrote:
Wondering if there are any T-Nation folks who are also into astrology? I’ve done up the charts of lots of MMA, WWE, MLB folks for anybody who is curious:

Sun in Aries, Moon in Capricorn (Gina Carano from MMA)
http://savinarholistic.com/?p=4526

Sun in Aries, Moon in Gemini (Amy Dumas from the WWE)
http://savinarholistic.com/?p=954

Sun in Leo, Moon in Capricorn (Arnold and Triple H from the WWE)
http://savinarholistic.com/?p=6494

Sun in Cancer, Moon in Libra (Derek Jeter)
http://savinarholistic.com/?p=3151

I’ve done lots of others that might be of interest to T-Nation: Bob Gibson, Scott Boras, Lynda Carter, etc. Just click on Sun/Moon profiles at my site.(Hope this doesn’t come off as spam, that is not my intent)

Also have looked at the charts of all the recent Mr. Olympias. Have noticed they tend to either have Capricorn Moons or Saturn on the South Node, which would be similar in effect to a Cap Moon.[/quote]
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Where did that pic come from?
I laughed my ass off!

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Someone mention Wizards!

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Amazing. This and the RV pic thread, Test.net has been on a roll this week.

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[quote]mattsavinar wrote:
A tip in regards to critical thinking: You might want to read up on the basis of western astrology before launching into a screed about it. For one thing, it is not based on the notion that the planets affect people/events by way of gravitational effects. Google up a hint or two.

But like I said, I’m not here to argue over it. If you’re not into it, then you’re not into it. But I am and there may be other T-Nation members who might be too. So maybe you can take your overbearing 'tude to another thread and let any of us who want to discuss do so in peace. This ain’t the inquisition and you ain’t the pope my friend. [/quote]

I didnt say it was a gravitational influence… One of my main points was that there is NO known force by which celestial bodies could exert their influence. Swing and a miss.

I didn’t expect you to respond in any sort of rational way, of course, and the ad hominems were to be expected (as they always are when one has no evidence for their claims).

Too bad though really, because I’d like to hear what you have to say about any of the points I made. You should be able to argue your case quite well, being a lawyer and all.

What do I know though, I’m just some guy with a bad attitude who thinks he’s the pope.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]mattsavinar wrote:
A tip in regards to critical thinking: You might want to read up on the basis of western astrology before launching into a screed about it. For one thing, it is not based on the notion that the planets affect people/events by way of gravitational effects. Google up a hint or two.

But like I said, I’m not here to argue over it. If you’re not into it, then you’re not into it. But I am and there may be other T-Nation members who might be too. So maybe you can take your overbearing 'tude to another thread and let any of us who want to discuss do so in peace. This ain’t the inquisition and you ain’t the pope my friend. [/quote]

I didnt say it was a gravitational influence… One of my main points was that there is NO known force by which celestial bodies could exert their influence. Swing and a miss.

I didn’t expect you to respond in any sort of rational way, of course, and the ad hominems were to be expected (as they always are when one has no evidence for their claims).

Too bad though really, because I’d like to hear what you have to say about any of the points I made. You should be able to argue your case quite well, being a lawyer and all.

What do I know though, I’m just some guy with a bad attitude who thinks he’s the pope.[/quote]

He lost me at the part where he compared astrology to traditional Chinese medicine, then told you to look up Western astrology…

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It’s not necessarily the practice: it’s the practitioners.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]mattsavinar wrote:
A tip in regards to critical thinking: You might want to read up on the basis of western astrology before launching into a screed about it. For one thing, it is not based on the notion that the planets affect people/events by way of gravitational effects. Google up a hint or two.

But like I said, I’m not here to argue over it. If you’re not into it, then you’re not into it. But I am and there may be other T-Nation members who might be too. So maybe you can take your overbearing 'tude to another thread and let any of us who want to discuss do so in peace. This ain’t the inquisition and you ain’t the pope my friend. [/quote]

I didnt say it was a gravitational influence… One of my main points was that there is NO known force by which celestial bodies could exert their influence. Swing and a miss.

I didn’t expect you to respond in any sort of rational way, of course, and the ad hominems were to be expected (as they always are when one has no evidence for their claims).

Too bad though really, because I’d like to hear what you have to say about any of the points I made. You should be able to argue your case quite well, being a lawyer and all.

What do I know though, I’m just some guy with a bad attitude who thinks he’s the pope.[/quote]

If I wanted to argue over the veracity of the practice I would have posted something to the effect of “I want to argue whether astrology is valid or not.” That is not what I posted and it’s not what I’m here for. What I posted was “I’m into astrology, is there anybody else here who is?”

Furthermore, if I did want to argue I would at least argue with somebody who read the original post and has the intellectual capacity to distinguish between a “Hey I want to argue” post and “Hey I’m looking for like minded folks” post.

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[quote]roybot wrote:
It’s not necessarily the practice: it’s the practitioners.[/quote]

In this case, the PRACTICE itself is completely bankrupt.

That’s akin to saying “Sure, all those OTHER psychics are frauds… But not mine!”

It was an interesting idea, humans tried it for a while, but upon further investigation it just doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. No matter who is doing it.

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[quote]mattsavinar wrote:
If I wanted to argue over the veracity of the practice I would have posted something to the effect of “I want to argue whether astrology is valid or not.” That is not what I posted and it’s not what I’m here for. What I posted was “I’m into astrology, is there anybody else here who is?”

Furthermore, if I did want to argue I would at least argue with somebody who read the original post and has the intellectual capacity to distinguish between a “Hey I want to argue” post and “Hey I’m looking for like minded folks” post.

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Again with the personal attacks. Of course I read and understood your original post… And no where did I ever say “you are the one who wanted to argue!”

I simply did not agree with the information you presented, stated the case as to why, and left it at that. I did NOT state that I wanted you to respond, I actually stated that I just wanted you to stop pedaling this nonsense. BUT, if you had good evidence for your claims I would review them and change my mind if they held up.

If you put your ideas out into the world, expect to have them challenged when someone doesn’t agree. They have astrology message boards I’m sure, 100% of which I do not frequent or post on, where you are safe to have conversations with others who believe as you do and not have your ideas challenged or your mind opened to conflicting points of view.

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[quote]mattsavinar wrote:

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]mattsavinar wrote:
A tip in regards to critical thinking: You might want to read up on the basis of western astrology before launching into a screed about it. For one thing, it is not based on the notion that the planets affect people/events by way of gravitational effects. Google up a hint or two.

But like I said, I’m not here to argue over it. If you’re not into it, then you’re not into it. But I am and there may be other T-Nation members who might be too. So maybe you can take your overbearing 'tude to another thread and let any of us who want to discuss do so in peace. This ain’t the inquisition and you ain’t the pope my friend. [/quote]

I didnt say it was a gravitational influence… One of my main points was that there is NO known force by which celestial bodies could exert their influence. Swing and a miss.

I didn’t expect you to respond in any sort of rational way, of course, and the ad hominems were to be expected (as they always are when one has no evidence for their claims).

Too bad though really, because I’d like to hear what you have to say about any of the points I made. You should be able to argue your case quite well, being a lawyer and all.

What do I know though, I’m just some guy with a bad attitude who thinks he’s the pope.[/quote]

If I wanted to argue over the veracity of the practice I would have posted something to the effect of “I want to argue whether astrology is valid or not.” That is not what I posted and it’s not what I’m here for. What I posted was “I’m into astrology, is there anybody else here who is?”

Furthermore, if I did want to argue I would at least argue with somebody who read the original post and has the intellectual capacity to distinguish between a “Hey I want to argue” post and “Hey I’m looking for like minded folks” post.

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So you’re essentially looking for agreement, not discussion. Typical modern astrologist.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]mattsavinar wrote:
If I wanted to argue over the veracity of the practice I would have posted something to the effect of “I want to argue whether astrology is valid or not.” That is not what I posted and it’s not what I’m here for. What I posted was “I’m into astrology, is there anybody else here who is?”

Furthermore, if I did want to argue I would at least argue with somebody who read the original post and has the intellectual capacity to distinguish between a “Hey I want to argue” post and “Hey I’m looking for like minded folks” post.

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Again with the personal attacks. Of course I read and understood your original post… And no where did I ever say “you are the one who wanted to argue!”

I simply did not agree with the information you presented, stated the case as to why, and left it at that. I did NOT state that I wanted you to respond, I actually stated that I just wanted you to stop pedaling this nonsense. BUT, if you had good evidence for your claims I would review them and change my mind if they held up.

If you put your ideas out into the world, expect to have them challenged when someone doesn’t agree. They have astrology message boards I’m sure, 100% of which I do not frequent or post on, where you are safe to have conversations with others who believe as you do and not have your ideas challenged or your mind opened to conflicting points of view.

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yes there are lots of astro-boards. And very few folks on astro-boards are into the stuff I’m into. So I posted here thinking “lots open minded, intellectually curious folks on the T-Nation board. Charles Poliquin is into the five elements and TCM which is not that far from astrology, maybe some folks are also into astrology in addition to bodybuilding, supplements, etc.” But instead you replied.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

So you’re essentially looking for agreement, not discussion. Typical modern astrologist.[/quote]

Right… It would be like me going into the Nutrition forums and saying:

“I think a diet consisting of Cotten Candy and Cracker Jacks is the best way to get shredded” and then when someone else says “Hmmm, maybe not” I fireback with “Woah buddy, I wasn’t looking for an argument. Obviously you’re reading comprehension skills are lacking”

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[quote]mattsavinar wrote:

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:

[quote]mattsavinar wrote:
A tip in regards to critical thinking: You might want to read up on the basis of western astrology before launching into a screed about it. For one thing, it is not based on the notion that the planets affect people/events by way of gravitational effects. Google up a hint or two.

But like I said, I’m not here to argue over it. If you’re not into it, then you’re not into it. But I am and there may be other T-Nation members who might be too. So maybe you can take your overbearing 'tude to another thread and let any of us who want to discuss do so in peace. This ain’t the inquisition and you ain’t the pope my friend. [/quote]

I didnt say it was a gravitational influence… One of my main points was that there is NO known force by which celestial bodies could exert their influence. Swing and a miss.

I didn’t expect you to respond in any sort of rational way, of course, and the ad hominems were to be expected (as they always are when one has no evidence for their claims).

Too bad though really, because I’d like to hear what you have to say about any of the points I made. You should be able to argue your case quite well, being a lawyer and all.

What do I know though, I’m just some guy with a bad attitude who thinks he’s the pope.[/quote]

If I wanted to argue over the veracity of the practice I would have posted something to the effect of “I want to argue whether astrology is valid or not.” That is not what I posted and it’s not what I’m here for. What I posted was “I’m into astrology, is there anybody else here who is?”

Furthermore, if I did want to argue I would at least argue with somebody who read the original post and has the intellectual capacity to distinguish between a “Hey I want to argue” post and “Hey I’m looking for like minded folks” post.

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Part of being a grown up is realizing that if you espouse silliness you are going to get called out on it. Preemptively putting your fingers in your ears and saying, “I don’t want to hear it,” isn’t good enough for rational thinking adults. If I start a thread in which I seriously talk about my belief in Santa Claus, and ask others who share my belief to chime in, I don’t get to get my panties in a wad when others point out the fact that I am talking nonsense. If I truly believe in what I am saying, I will support it with evidence.