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[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
What the fuck say you about all those ‘‘fantastic’’ women?

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There are no fantastic women. We’re all evil. Get with the program.

In all seriousness, all humans are imperfect. And I believe that a good part of the life experience is learned through failure. So when you tumble, take responsibility for your share of the failure, make refinements to your behavior/choices, and move forward in a positive direction. Otherwise, you stop improving as an individual.

And lastly, make good choices about who you take advice from. As strength/physique athletes, don’t we all want to emulate those who have demonstrated success? Taking relationship advice from someone who has had no success is like getting programming advice from the powerlifter with the lowest wilks at a meet.
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There is some much straw flying around I wonder what you are trying to build here.

I never said women were evil.

Thats what game is, we just dont follow the female narrative of how the relationship between the two sexes ought to be.

You are assuming that men automatically want a relationship, while the truth is most of the time we just want to fuck. Furthermore, it is a mans job to get you into bed, it is your job to get him into a relationship, by showing that you have more to offer than just sex.

What you basically doing is shit testing me.

Yeah, if I accepted your femcentric reality, yeah, if I accepted that relationships, relationships, relationships, yeah, if I accepted the female narrative I would probably think I suck too.

But I dont.

Your rules suck for me, not gonna play by them.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Ach come on, you know better than that.

Philanderers, alleged murderers, rapists → socially dominant as fuck, alpha- Serial killers get tons of “love” letters.

In case of pedophiles I would expect that social ostracism would weigh heavily against him, so I will treat it as an unproven assumption that women stay with those voluntarily. They often will though as long as he is not exposed, which just goes to show that there are women who will trade in her daughters sexuality and mental health for a piece of alpha.

The last part about a lot of women not leaving in case of disease or accidents but everyone is really free to look up when women initiate a divorce, job loss, loss of status, illness, whatnot.

So in last case NAWALT if I must, but a lot of women are like that.

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Oh, I see. If I understand, that quote of yours was some kind of warning to the ‘‘betas’’ guys out there. A woman is likely to leave her ‘‘beta’’ other half when he needs her the most. Right? No? It all comes down to the Beta and Alpha ranks, yet again. Was that your point? A woman would not leave a man if he were an Alpha, which means, a woman doesn’t ALWAYS leave. Right? No? Haaaaaaaa!! My thoughts are scattered!!! Somebody saaaaaaaaave me!!!

Do you wish you’d been more ‘‘Alpha’’ when you got dumped, Orion?

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[quote]orion wrote:

There is some much straw flying around I wonder what you are trying to build here.

I never said women were evil.

Thats what game is, we just dont follow the female narrative of how the relationship between the two sexes ought to be.

You are assuming that men automatically want a relationship, while the truth is most of the time we just want to fuck. Furthermore, it is a mans job to get you into bed, it is your job to get him into a relationship, by showing that you have more to offer than just sex.

What you basically doing is shit testing me.

Yeah, if I accepted your femcentric reality, yeah, if I accepted that relationships, relationships, relationships, yeah, if I accepted the female narrative I would probably think I suck too.

But I dont.

Your rules suck for me, not gonna play by them. [/quote]

Actually, based on your reply to Kpsnap, why are we even talking about relationships? You’re absolutely right! What do you know about relationships, Orion? You’re only a Pick Up Artist after all. I just cannot comprehend why you’re giving relationship advices and making statement short of revolutionary, for someone who’s never been in a fructuous, happy, healthy relationship.

All you’ve been doing is demonizing women since the days they wouldn’t fuck you 'cos you were fat. Now you deem yourself a relationship expert? As a pick up artist, you’re just there to fuck. Why shall you bother and warn others about women more likely to do this or that, yada yada, when your primary goal is just to stick your cock in a virgin and then drop her like it’s hot, before moving to the next?

What? Que? Was? You’re sayin’? You want men to just fuck and not love? You want to save them from the headache, from potential beautiful relationships with women since they are ALL cray cray, ungrateful, uncaring, manipulative, yada yada. You’re those young/old embittered ones’ saviour, the Jesus of impotent cocks and shattered/hardened/sour hearts, their superman/ALPHA dick that crashed on earth in a meteorite of knowledge about peen game. You’re the MAN, O. You’re the fucking MAN.

But tell me, did you even have pussy this weekend? What about last night? Was it good?

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Something that was said in this thread got me to thinking, I know far more men that have left when things got hard than women. I think there is something in a lot of our natures that makes us more prone to leaving than women. Women, at least women that I know, seem to be the ones that are more likely to stay and see things through when bad things happen. Men, myself included, seem to be more naturally self absorbed than women. I used to would not have said this was true when I was still dating but now that I am married that definitely seems to be the case. Maybe because I am looking at this as a Husband/Wife dynamic more so than a boyfriend/girlfriend one.

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Something that was said in this thread got me to thinking, I know far more men that have left when things got hard than women. I think there is something in a lot of our natures that makes us more prone to leaving than women. Women, at least women that I know, seem to be the ones that are more likely to stay and see things through when bad things happen. Men, myself included, seem to be more naturally self absorbed than women. I used to would not have said this was true when I was still dating but now that I am married that definitely seems to be the case. Maybe because I am looking at this as a Husband/Wife dynamic more so than a boyfriend/girlfriend one.[/quote]

at least 70% of all divorces are initiated by women.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

Do you wish you’d been more ‘‘Alpha’’ when you got dumped, Orion?
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Had I been more alpha I would not have been.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

There is some much straw flying around I wonder what you are trying to build here.

I never said women were evil.

Thats what game is, we just dont follow the female narrative of how the relationship between the two sexes ought to be.

You are assuming that men automatically want a relationship, while the truth is most of the time we just want to fuck. Furthermore, it is a mans job to get you into bed, it is your job to get him into a relationship, by showing that you have more to offer than just sex.

What you basically doing is shit testing me.

Yeah, if I accepted your femcentric reality, yeah, if I accepted that relationships, relationships, relationships, yeah, if I accepted the female narrative I would probably think I suck too.

But I dont.

Your rules suck for me, not gonna play by them. [/quote]

Actually, based on your reply to Kpsnap, why are we even talking about relationships? You’re absolutely right! What do you know about relationships, Orion? You’re only a Pick Up Artist after all. I just cannot comprehend why you’re giving relationship advices and making statement short of revolutionary, for someone who’s never been in a fructuous, happy, healthy relationship.

All you’ve been doing is demonizing women since the days they wouldn’t fuck you 'cos you were fat. Now you deem yourself a relationship expert? As a pick up artist, you’re just there to fuck. Why shall you bother and warn others about women more likely to do this or that, yada yada, when your primary goal is just to stick your cock in a virgin and then drop her like it’s hot, before moving to the next?

What? Que? Was? You’re sayin’? You want men to just fuck and not love? You want to save them from the headache, from potential beautiful relationships with women since they are ALL cray cray, ungrateful, uncaring, manipulative, yada yada. You’re those young/old embittered ones’ saviour, the Jesus of impotent cocks and shattered/hardened/sour hearts, their superman/ALPHA dick that crashed on earth in a meteorite of knowledge about peen game. You’re the MAN, O. You’re the fucking MAN.

But tell me, did you even have pussy this weekend? What about last night? Was it good?[/quote]

Find me where I talk about relationships-

I talked about one specific dynamic, the socially inexperienced guy that thinks that he has found the ONE until he is frivorce raped by her.

Other than that, you wont find much.

Less histrionics, more reading comprehension, snap out of it woman.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Something that was said in this thread got me to thinking, I know far more men that have left when things got hard than women. I think there is something in a lot of our natures that makes us more prone to leaving than women. Women, at least women that I know, seem to be the ones that are more likely to stay and see things through when bad things happen. Men, myself included, seem to be more naturally self absorbed than women. I used to would not have said this was true when I was still dating but now that I am married that definitely seems to be the case. Maybe because I am looking at this as a Husband/Wife dynamic more so than a boyfriend/girlfriend one.[/quote]

at least 70% of all divorces are initiated by women. [/quote]

Yeah and 73.6% of statistics are made up. “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics.” Mark Twain

If you are going to refute my point at least use something better than a very easily manipulated stat. If that is even true could it be because that 60% of married men will have an affair at some point or that 10-20% of all married women are subjected to repeated domestic violence. Even with some crossover between the two I have gotten pretty close to all divorce being a mans fault. I don’t believe that but aren’t statistics fun.

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Something that was said in this thread got me to thinking, I know far more men that have left when things got hard than women. I think there is something in a lot of our natures that makes us more prone to leaving than women. Women, at least women that I know, seem to be the ones that are more likely to stay and see things through when bad things happen. Men, myself included, seem to be more naturally self absorbed than women. I used to would not have said this was true when I was still dating but now that I am married that definitely seems to be the case. Maybe because I am looking at this as a Husband/Wife dynamic more so than a boyfriend/girlfriend one.[/quote]

at least 70% of all divorces are initiated by women. [/quote]

Yeah and 73.6% of statistics are made up. “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics.” Mark Twain

If you are going to refute my point at least use something better than a very easily manipulated stat. If that is even true could it be because that 60% of married men will have an affair at some point or that 10-20% of all married women are subjected to repeated domestic violence. Even with some crossover between the two I have gotten pretty close to all divorce being a mans fault. I don’t believe that but aren’t statistics fun.[/quote]

Look, I am posting an easily verifiable datum, you say statistics are bullshit and then counter with pure conjecture?

Come on man, how heavily invested in your narative can you really be.

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I did verify that number. And I got my numbers on infidelity from the Kinsey report in the 1950’s and one can only assume that those numbers have increased. Also I got the domestic violence numbers from the CDC. And I was obviously playing that little statistics game to show that with every statistic it is at best a half picture and someone who is only interested in proving their point can cherry pick them to make their argument look as good as possible.

And I did clarify several times in my original quote that my evidence was purely anecdotal.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Find me where I talk about relationships-

I talked about one specific dynamic, the socially inexperienced guy that thinks that he has found the ONE until he is frivorce raped by her. [/quote]

So, according to you, this doesn’t correlate to talking about relationships at all? Really? Hahahaha! Stating that a woman is more likely to drop a man when the going get tough wasn’t a relationship advice? A woman leaves a man IN a relationship. She doesn’t leave him the morning after they had sex.(personally I usually kick the motherfucker out after I cum but that’s just me…) The man would usually chuck the ONS out when she craves for spooning.

Talk about ONS or casual sex Mr PUA. You’re the expert, aren’t ya? Don’t predict what may or may not happen between two people already emotionally invested with each other for a very long time, when you have no experience of it all, or shall I say, a rather distorted idea of relationships based on past disappointments, probably created by your bitter heart.

Did you get laid though? :slight_smile: You haven’t answered that.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

Do you wish you’d been more ‘‘Alpha’’ when you got dumped, Orion?
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Had I been more alpha I would not have been.

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Are you Alpha now, O?

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[quote]orion wrote:

There is some much straw flying around I wonder what you are trying to build here.

I never said women were evil.

Thats what game is, we just dont follow the female narrative of how the relationship between the two sexes ought to be.

You are assuming that men automatically want a relationship, while the truth is most of the time we just want to fuck. Furthermore, it is a mans job to get you into bed, it is your job to get him into a relationship, by showing that you have more to offer than just sex.

What you basically doing is shit testing me.

Yeah, if I accepted your femcentric reality, yeah, if I accepted that relationships, relationships, relationships, yeah, if I accepted the female narrative I would probably think I suck too.

But I dont.

Your rules suck for me, not gonna play by them. [/quote]

Men have by far the most power in the relationship game. At least men worth a damn do. You can make the argument that women control the “yes or no” but I would say that more power is in the ability to ask the question. You control whether or not they even have the chance to go out with you. You are not asking a girl if she will go out with you, you are telling her that you would allow her to go out with you if she chose to. We do not fear rejection because we are more hardened in our emotions because we have been there and done that. I think most men inherently understand this but I will say that fewer seem to because men are becoming soft.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

Do you wish you’d been more ‘‘Alpha’’ when you got dumped, Orion?
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Had I been more alpha I would not have been.

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Are you Alpha now, O?
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I dont know.

I know that I can play it on tv.

I know that I have it down that I am in it for me.

I know that some women see it that way because I can be very “nice” without them treating me like I was a bitch.

Am I in danger of sliding into full whiny bitch mode because she is the ONE?

Most likely not…

But the lure of Beta is strong you know, I do not entirely trust myself.

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

There is some much straw flying around I wonder what you are trying to build here.

I never said women were evil.

Thats what game is, we just dont follow the female narrative of how the relationship between the two sexes ought to be.

You are assuming that men automatically want a relationship, while the truth is most of the time we just want to fuck. Furthermore, it is a mans job to get you into bed, it is your job to get him into a relationship, by showing that you have more to offer than just sex.

What you basically doing is shit testing me.

Yeah, if I accepted your femcentric reality, yeah, if I accepted that relationships, relationships, relationships, yeah, if I accepted the female narrative I would probably think I suck too.

But I dont.

Your rules suck for me, not gonna play by them. [/quote]

Men have by far the most power in the relationship game. At least men worth a damn do. You can make the argument that women control the “yes or no” but I would say that more power is in the ability to ask the question. You control whether or not they even have the chance to go out with you. You are not asking a girl if she will go out with you, you are telling her that you would allow her to go out with you if she chose to. We do not fear rejection because we are more hardened in our emotions because we have been there and done that. I think most men inherently understand this but I will say that fewer seem to because men are becoming soft. [/quote]

That, I fully agree with.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

There is some much straw flying around I wonder what you are trying to build here.

I never said women were evil.

Thats what game is, we just dont follow the female narrative of how the relationship between the two sexes ought to be.

You are assuming that men automatically want a relationship, while the truth is most of the time we just want to fuck. Furthermore, it is a mans job to get you into bed, it is your job to get him into a relationship, by showing that you have more to offer than just sex.

What you basically doing is shit testing me.

Yeah, if I accepted your femcentric reality, yeah, if I accepted that relationships, relationships, relationships, yeah, if I accepted the female narrative I would probably think I suck too.

But I dont.

Your rules suck for me, not gonna play by them. [/quote]

Men have by far the most power in the relationship game. At least men worth a damn do. You can make the argument that women control the “yes or no” but I would say that more power is in the ability to ask the question. You control whether or not they even have the chance to go out with you. You are not asking a girl if she will go out with you, you are telling her that you would allow her to go out with you if she chose to. We do not fear rejection because we are more hardened in our emotions because we have been there and done that. I think most men inherently understand this but I will say that fewer seem to because men are becoming soft. [/quote]

That, I fully agree with. [/quote]

So what is your problem with relationships? Sometimes you talk as if you are afraid that if you end up in a relationship, you will somehow lose that power. Being in a relationship does not change who you are. To an extent it does, as I feel my wife pushes me to be a stronger, more confident, and just all around better man because I know that is what she craves in her husband. If a woman falls in love with you, she will assume that submissive role in the relationship as long as you remain that same strong man she fell in love with and were not putting on a front.

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And I would also like to add that I actually do believe that a lot of divorce, even those initiated by women are a direct result of their husband’s shortcomings and his failure to step up and be a leader in the relationship.

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Something that was said in this thread got me to thinking, I know far more men that have left when things got hard than women. I think there is something in a lot of our natures that makes us more prone to leaving than women. Women, at least women that I know, seem to be the ones that are more likely to stay and see things through when bad things happen. Men, myself included, seem to be more naturally self absorbed than women. I used to would not have said this was true when I was still dating but now that I am married that definitely seems to be the case. Maybe because I am looking at this as a Husband/Wife dynamic more so than a boyfriend/girlfriend one.[/quote]
Maybe it’s an age thing. I’m only 24, and the “girls” I know are mostly in their 20’s. In general they are more self absorbed than men, they are more likely to cheat in the relationship, they are more likely to leave when things get hard, this includes husband/wife relationships as well.

I’m not sure why you’re so misandristic, but my observations are literally the complete opposite of yours. Obviously what I observe cannot override what you observe, but where does this leave us?

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[quote]bpick86 wrote:
And I would also like to add that I actually do believe that a lot of divorce, even those initiated by women are a direct result of their husband’s shortcomings and his failure to step up and be a leader in the relationship.[/quote]

HOW?

She almost necessarily has more experience than her husband, all the cards are stacked in her facvor in case of divorce.

You are basically saying that men need to “man up”, but most guys can only do so much if they are playing on a heavily tilted playing field.

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try doing the alphabet