Asking a Girl Out

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
You know, I don’t and never have had any problem with game. I have said over and over again that it seeks to mimic natural interplay between men and women, which is fine. I was stunned, when I started reading PUA stuff, to realize that fictional characters I had written were behaving in many of these ways (but not, for heaven’s sake, twirling hair). I know my boyfriend’s aggressive sexual campaign was not learned from the internet (I am the PU expert in our relationship), but nonetheless, the moves were there.

The issue I have specifically with orion (and have had with others) are his nasty generalizations about women and girls. I will argue every. single. time. because I want there to be balance for the sake of the young guys I know are reading. You’ll rarely see me quarrel with AC at this point, but that is because he seems to have worked through some of his shit about women’s motives. His pickup advice is solid and I agree with the vast majority of it.

Good people don’t manipulate others in the vicious manner discussed in some of these threads. If this is one’s experience with more than the odd rare human being, then in my opinion one needs to do a very great deal of soul searching to discover what is the issue within oneself.

It’s no different than someone announcing that they’ve been fired from yet another in a long line of lost jobs, and wanting to talk about what was wrong with the employer. [/quote]

Here is the thing.

I think I already posted this, but the reason this works is because the female genetic programming is utterly mercyless.

Necessarily so.

Now you might not see it that way, because it does not feel that way to you, but what your emotions actually are is a means to either extract the best genes possible, or the best resources that you can.

You may think that men think with your dick, but if accept the existence of hypergamy and logically speaking you really must, women are much more thinking with their vaginas than men would ever think with their dick.

It just does not feeeel that way to them, therefore it cannot be true.

And her lies the problem:

In her prime a lot, and I mean A LOT, go for alpha dick.

Alright.

Except, those guys are not alpha in any real, way shape or form.

Then, when she is done riding the carousel, she finds a nice little provider to have children with, who thinks she is really, really different. Alas said little provider has not nearly as much experience as she has so he thinks she is like a man with boobs, something feminism insisted on for a long time, so he gives in to her demands to make her happy. That makes her resent him, which is why he tries to please harder, which makes her resent him more.

Also, he thinks pussy is a scarce resource and he is afraid to lose it, however little he gets.

Is that kind of pathetic?

Yes, but what other template does he have?

Seem realistically and from a mens perspective, he is even right to do so, because she can rape him in court if it comes to a divorce.

And here comes the kicker:

The only reason women are doing this is because Big Daddy government will take care of her. Some say government is the Big Alpha and they have a point, due to organized violence and all, but what he really is is Big Beta.

No matter how fucked in the head she really is, Big Beta pays for her children. sends them to school, makes sure they have enough to eat, makes sure she does not starve in the street.

I was unable to find the number for the US, but in Austria, men pay 3/4 of the income tax, therefore necessarily also 3/4 of the VAT, which are the two big ones really.

Since women only have two biological reasons either genes or resources, the provider role has been reduced in importance to a degree that the only value left for a lot of women is big, bad alpha cock.

Do you know what that means?

That a lot of honest, decent, hard working men are taxed to the wazoo to make them completely unattractive to women, until they are chosen to impregnate some alpha leftovers, unti she decides yet again that it is time to divorce and take him for half that he has got, preferably plus alimony.

And you know how that welfare state came to be?

Women.

Without the womens right to vote, it would not exist, not to that degree.

This is foul.

This is rotten.

This is the Rome I want to see burn and if the system finally breaks down, as it must, I am looking forward to majors in gender studies to clean the toilets at their local McDonalds because what is their degree worth really?
[/quote]

[quote]
Uh-huh, and so you’re saying that your former boss is an asshole and fired you for no reason? That happened with the last job, too, huh? And the one before that…[/quote]

He’s saying that his former boss is a mammal and fired him for obvious ethological reasons.

That being said… interesting choice of analogy.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
You know, I don’t and never have had any problem with game. I have said over and over again that it seeks to mimic natural interplay between men and women, which is fine. I was stunned, when I started reading PUA stuff, to realize that fictional characters I had written were behaving in many of these ways (but not, for heaven’s sake, twirling hair). I know my boyfriend’s aggressive sexual campaign was not learned from the internet (I am the PU expert in our relationship), but nonetheless, the moves were there.

The issue I have specifically with orion (and have had with others) are his nasty generalizations about women and girls. I will argue every. single. time. because I want there to be balance for the sake of the young guys I know are reading. You’ll rarely see me quarrel with AC at this point, but that is because he seems to have worked through some of his shit about women’s motives. His pickup advice is solid and I agree with the vast majority of it.

Good people don’t manipulate others in the vicious manner discussed in some of these threads. If this is one’s experience with more than the odd rare human being, then in my opinion one needs to do a very great deal of soul searching to discover what is the issue within oneself.

It’s no different than someone announcing that they’ve been fired from yet another in a long line of lost jobs, and wanting to talk about what was wrong with the employer. [/quote]

Here is the thing.

I think I already posted this, but the reason this works is because the female genetic programming is utterly mercyless.

Necessarily so.

Now you might not see it that way, because it does not feel that way to you, but what your emotions actually are is a means to either extract the best genes possible, or the best resources that you can.

You may think that men think with your dick, but if accept the existence of hypergamy and logically speaking you really must, women are much more thinking with their vaginas than men would ever think with their dick.

It just does not feeeel that way to them, therefore it cannot be true.

And her lies the problem:

In her prime a lot, and I mean A LOT, go for alpha dick.

Alright.

Except, those guys are not alpha in any real, way shape or form.

Then, when she is done riding the carousel, she finds a nice little provider to have children with, who thinks she is really, really different. Alas said little provider has not nearly as much experience as she has so he thinks she is like a man with boobs, something feminism insisted on for a long time, so he gives in to her demands to make her happy. That makes her resent him, which is why he tries to please harder, which makes her resent him more.

Also, he thinks pussy is a scarce resource and he is afraid to lose it, however little he gets.

Is that kind of pathetic?

Yes, but what other template does he have?

Seem realistically and from a mens perspective, he is even right to do so, because she can rape him in court if it comes to a divorce.

And here comes the kicker:

The only reason women are doing this is because Big Daddy government will take care of her. Some say government is the Big Alpha and they have a point, due to organized violence and all, but what he really is is Big Beta.

No matter how fucked in the head she really is, Big Beta pays for her children. sends them to school, makes sure they have enough to eat, makes sure she does not starve in the street.

I was unable to find the number for the US, but in Austria, men pay 3/4 of the income tax, therefore necessarily also 3/4 of the VAT, which are the two big ones really.

Since women only have two biological reasons either genes or resources, the provider role has been reduced in importance to a degree that the only value left for a lot of women is big, bad alpha cock.

Do you know what that means?

That a lot of honest, decent, hard working men are taxed to the wazoo to make them completely unattractive to women, until they are chosen to impregnate some alpha leftovers, unti she decides yet again that it is time to divorce and take him for half that he has got, preferably plus alimony.

And you know how that welfare state came to be?

Women.

Without the womens right to vote, it would not exist, not to that degree.

This is foul.

This is rotten.

This is the Rome I want to see burn and if the system finally breaks down, as it must, I am looking forward to majors in gender studies to clean the toilets at their local McDonalds because what is their degree worth really?
[/quote]

Uh-huh, and so you’re saying that your former boss is an asshole and fired you for no reason? That happened with the last job, too, huh? And the one before that…

Boy, have you been unlucky.[/quote]

Yeah, take it to the personal level.

What else do you have?

Because all I wrote above is true and no matter how unlucky I might have been, it is still rotten.

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]
Uh-huh, and so you’re saying that your former boss is an asshole and fired you for no reason? That happened with the last job, too, huh? And the one before that…[/quote]

He’s saying that his former boss is a mammal and fired him for obvious ethological reasons.

That being said… interesting choice of analogy. [/quote]

Yup, I am also saying that society refuses to see it that way and makes it easier and easier for women to follow their worst instincts.

Just imagine what would happen to society if men were paid to “follow their dick”.

Yet, women are told and paid to do just that.

edit: Ah, did not catch that.

Emily, my former boss, huh?

[quote]orion wrote:
Then, when she is done riding the carousel, she finds a nice little provider to have children with, who thinks she is really, really different. Alas said little provider has not nearly as much experience as she has so he thinks she is like a man with boobs, something feminism insisted on for a long time, so he gives in to her demands to make her happy. That makes her resent him, which is why he tries to please harder, which makes her resent him more.

Also, he thinks pussy is a scarce resource and he is afraid to lose it, however little he gets.

Is that kind of pathetic?
[/quote]

Mwuhahahahaha…

I iz unemployable,cause women gotz the billions and I gotz nothing.

Turns out, after 30 that changes and now the bad manners and the bad hairpiece just piss me off.




[quote]anonym wrote:
I’d pick a discussion between orion and EmilyQ (or either one and anyone else, for that matter) over a thread spammed with gifs and lolcats any day of the week.[/quote]

Happy now?

^^I have one of those dogs. It’s awesome

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
I’d pick a discussion between orion and EmilyQ (or either one and anyone else, for that matter) over a thread spammed with gifs and lolcats any day of the week.[/quote]

Happy now?[/quote]

No gifs and not a single lolcat in sight.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
I’d pick a discussion between orion and EmilyQ (or either one and anyone else, for that matter) over a thread spammed with gifs and lolcats any day of the week.[/quote]

Happy now?[/quote]

No gifs and not a single lolcat in sight. [/quote]

Lots of spam, though. You live in a weird fantasy where women invented taxes and graduates in gender studies (of either sex) should be cleaning toilets. The reality is that taxation preceded the female vote, and graduates in various subjects will take whatever job that comes their way due to the current economy.

You seem to me to be completely out of touch with the real world.

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]
Uh-huh, and so you’re saying that your former boss is an asshole and fired you for no reason? That happened with the last job, too, huh? And the one before that…[/quote]

He’s saying that his former boss is a mammal and fired him for obvious ethological reasons.

That being said… interesting choice of analogy. [/quote]

I don’t know, is it? I chose another common variety of externalizer. Work and relationships are the two areas of functioning adults are most likely to screw up, aren’t they? Which means they’re also the failures most likely to be blamed on other people. Women, the system, minorities, the Japs, etc.

I know nothing of orion’s personal work history and care less. But it is an apt analogy.

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
I’d pick a discussion between orion and EmilyQ (or either one and anyone else, for that matter) over a thread spammed with gifs and lolcats any day of the week.[/quote]

Happy now?[/quote]

No gifs and not a single lolcat in sight. [/quote]

Lots of spam, though. You live in a weird fantasy where women invented taxes and graduates in gender studies (of either sex) should be cleaning toilets. The reality is that taxation preceded the female vote, and graduates in various subjects will take whatever job that comes their way due to the current economy.

You seem to me to be completely out of touch with the real world. [/quote]

He said “the welfare state”. not taxation.
19th amendment : 1920
the New Deal : 1935

And today, everybody is either producing some shit or cleaning some toilets.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
You know, I don’t and never have had any problem with game. I have said over and over again that it seeks to mimic natural interplay between men and women, which is fine. I was stunned, when I started reading PUA stuff, to realize that fictional characters I had written were behaving in many of these ways (but not, for heaven’s sake, twirling hair). I know my boyfriend’s aggressive sexual campaign was not learned from the internet (I am the PU expert in our relationship), but nonetheless, the moves were there.

The issue I have specifically with orion (and have had with others) are his nasty generalizations about women and girls. I will argue every. single. time. because I want there to be balance for the sake of the young guys I know are reading. You’ll rarely see me quarrel with AC at this point, but that is because he seems to have worked through some of his shit about women’s motives. His pickup advice is solid and I agree with the vast majority of it.

Good people don’t manipulate others in the vicious manner discussed in some of these threads. If this is one’s experience with more than the odd rare human being, then in my opinion one needs to do a very great deal of soul searching to discover what is the issue within oneself.

It’s no different than someone announcing that they’ve been fired from yet another in a long line of lost jobs, and wanting to talk about what was wrong with the employer. [/quote]

Here is the thing.

I think I already posted this, but the reason this works is because the female genetic programming is utterly mercyless.

Necessarily so.

Now you might not see it that way, because it does not feel that way to you, but what your emotions actually are is a means to either extract the best genes possible, or the best resources that you can.

You may think that men think with your dick, but if accept the existence of hypergamy and logically speaking you really must, women are much more thinking with their vaginas than men would ever think with their dick.

It just does not feeeel that way to them, therefore it cannot be true.

And her lies the problem:

In her prime a lot, and I mean A LOT, go for alpha dick.

Alright.

Except, those guys are not alpha in any real, way shape or form.

Then, when she is done riding the carousel, she finds a nice little provider to have children with, who thinks she is really, really different. Alas said little provider has not nearly as much experience as she has so he thinks she is like a man with boobs, something feminism insisted on for a long time, so he gives in to her demands to make her happy. That makes her resent him, which is why he tries to please harder, which makes her resent him more.

Also, he thinks pussy is a scarce resource and he is afraid to lose it, however little he gets.

Is that kind of pathetic?

Yes, but what other template does he have?

Seem realistically and from a mens perspective, he is even right to do so, because she can rape him in court if it comes to a divorce.

And here comes the kicker:

The only reason women are doing this is because Big Daddy government will take care of her. Some say government is the Big Alpha and they have a point, due to organized violence and all, but what he really is is Big Beta.

No matter how fucked in the head she really is, Big Beta pays for her children. sends them to school, makes sure they have enough to eat, makes sure she does not starve in the street.

I was unable to find the number for the US, but in Austria, men pay 3/4 of the income tax, therefore necessarily also 3/4 of the VAT, which are the two big ones really.

Since women only have two biological reasons either genes or resources, the provider role has been reduced in importance to a degree that the only value left for a lot of women is big, bad alpha cock.

Do you know what that means?

That a lot of honest, decent, hard working men are taxed to the wazoo to make them completely unattractive to women, until they are chosen to impregnate some alpha leftovers, unti she decides yet again that it is time to divorce and take him for half that he has got, preferably plus alimony.

And you know how that welfare state came to be?

Women.

Without the womens right to vote, it would not exist, not to that degree.

This is foul.

This is rotten.

This is the Rome I want to see burn and if the system finally breaks down, as it must, I am looking forward to majors in gender studies to clean the toilets at their local McDonalds because what is their degree worth really?
[/quote]

Uh-huh, and so you’re saying that your former boss is an asshole and fired you for no reason? That happened with the last job, too, huh? And the one before that…

Boy, have you been unlucky.[/quote]

Yeah, take it to the personal level.

What else do you have?

Because all I wrote above is true and no matter how unlucky I might have been, it is still rotten. [/quote]

What else do I have? Just the knowledge that everything you’ve written above is drivel. But you go ahead and wait for Rome to burn if that’s what you want to do. While the rest of us build homes and gardens and have sex and joy and warm, happy snuggles.

Sure, good men get fucked over. But so do good women. That’s life, neh?

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:
I’d pick a discussion between orion and EmilyQ (or either one and anyone else, for that matter) over a thread spammed with gifs and lolcats any day of the week.[/quote]

Happy now?[/quote]

No gifs and not a single lolcat in sight. [/quote]

Lots of spam, though. You live in a weird fantasy where women invented taxes and graduates in gender studies (of either sex) should be cleaning toilets. The reality is that taxation preceded the female vote, and graduates in various subjects will take whatever job that comes their way due to the current economy.

You seem to me to be completely out of touch with the real world. [/quote]

He said “the welfare state”. not taxation.
19th amendment : 1920
the New Deal : 1935

And today, everybody is either producing some shit or cleaning some toilets.

[/quote]

No, he specifically mentioned taxes. I’ve rebuked myself for having to scrub the remnants of a stubborn turd off a toilet bowl but there’s a difference between cleaning up your own mess and wishing a such task on somebody else.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

[quote]
Uh-huh, and so you’re saying that your former boss is an asshole and fired you for no reason? That happened with the last job, too, huh? And the one before that…[/quote]

He’s saying that his former boss is a mammal and fired him for obvious ethological reasons.

That being said… interesting choice of analogy. [/quote]

I don’t know, is it? I chose another common variety of externalizer. Work and relationships are the two areas of functioning adults are most likely to screw up, aren’t they? Which means they’re also the failures most likely to be blamed on other people. Women, the system, minorities, the Japs, etc.

I know nothing of orion’s personal work history and care less. But it is an apt analogy.[/quote]

It wasn’t sarcasm.
This is not only an apt analogy. It’s a perfect analogy.

You just forgot that this job market has a 40 percent unemployment rate.

People usually start to speak about class warfare loooong before it hits 15%.