Asking a Girl Out

[quote]Chushin wrote:
Lol.

So, we’ll add an inability to read to your list of special talents.

Listen kid; you want to go around calling people “creeps” and don’t expect a response?

Learn some manners, and no one will talk about how much black dick you suck.

I’m sure yet another of your pathetic, awkwardly-worded, impotent responses is to follow.

That’s cool. I got enough stink on me from being around you, so enjoy the last word.

And now, I’m off to the gym with my lovely wife.

Enjoy your Saturday night with the Internet, loser.

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What’s so bad about sucking black dick?

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Hey, that stings. It doesn’t make someone a loser to be on the internet on a Saturday night. Some of us went out on Tuesday AND Wednesday nights for big, exciting, extra cool fun. [/quote]

Yes they do! I did my cardio on Tuesday AND Wednesday night!!!

The thing I love the most about threads with Orion in is all the people who think game doesn’t work on anybody but dumb, easy, bimbos. If game is done properly people wouldn’t think there was any game going on at all…

All game is is a good understanding of how to react in social situations. And a basic understanding of how not to be a needy, whiny little bitch. The rest is personality

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
My point was Orion vs arguing in every thread.

Sorry that gets old …
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Never gets old. Occasionally enlightening. Always entertaining.

Although I wonder, hasn’t the intergender arguing gone on long enough that we should introduce a Jim-Lawlor-analog character into the mix.

[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
The thing I love the most about threads with Orion in is all the people who think game doesn’t work on anybody but dumb, easy, bimbos. If game is done properly people wouldn’t think there was any game going on at all…

All game is is a good understanding of how to react in social situations. And a basic understanding of how not to be a needy, whiny little bitch. The rest is personality[/quote]

In a way yes, but I would put at least at much emphasis on the deprogramming.

A lot of this is counterintuitive, at least for my generation.

But yeah, the reason why it gets a bad rep is because if its seen at all, it was executed in an abysmal fashion.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
STILL waiting for the OP…guess I’m bored.

Chushin…why are you feeding the trolls? You must be bored too.[/quote]

Ha ha ha!

Yeah, it rained all day yesterday throughout the country, and I was stuck in the house, so I guess I’m just having some fun.

You’ve been kind of scarce lately.

All ok?

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All is well! I’ve been busy training my legions of doom. Had to kill a couple of generals again this week ;-( …they take so long to train!

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
So, Derek…is there a grocery store pretty close to your house? What kind of travel time do you have to access that and other day-to-day goods and services?

Edit: I should start a thread about this. I burn to know about all T Nation posters’ goods and services drive times. Further, I can’t imagine that anyone would NOT be interested in this topic. It’s a sure-fire GAL Thread of General Interest.

:D[/quote]
I will play Orion

Its a womans place to get groceries since the kitchen is where they need to be making me a sammich.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:

if you are not a creep why are you so angry?

im not offended by anything you say about me.

it is because it is true, son. [/quote]

LMAO!!!

Can anyone really be this stupid?

Ha ha haha ha!
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I will take a wild stab here and say that he is probably in his frame control junkie phase.

Usually does not take em long to grow out of it sooo…

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:

if you are not a creep why are you so angry?

im not offended by anything you say about me.

it is because it is true, son. [/quote]

LMAO!!!

Can anyone really be this stupid?

Ha ha haha ha!

I REALLY wanted to ignore you, but this epic idiocy just pulled too hard…

Please. Shut up before you make yourself look even dumber.

Now then; let’s try this again.

Edited (for the lulz)[/quote]

I thought you said you were not gonna respond again Bundy, you creep.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
The thing I love the most about threads with Orion in is all the people who think game doesn’t work on anybody but dumb, easy, bimbos. If game is done properly people wouldn’t think there was any game going on at all…

All game is is a good understanding of how to react in social situations. And a basic understanding of how not to be a needy, whiny little bitch. The rest is personality[/quote]

In a way yes, but I would put at least at much emphasis on the deprogramming.

A lot of this is counterintuitive, at least for my generation.

But yeah, the reason why it gets a bad rep is because if its seen at all, it was executed in an abysmal fashion.[/quote]

Like the video you posted of a hot Polish woman freshly arrived in London who was being cued off-camera by the PUA as he worked his ‘magic’?

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
The thing I love the most about threads with Orion in is all the people who think game doesn’t work on anybody but dumb, easy, bimbos. If game is done properly people wouldn’t think there was any game going on at all…

All game is is a good understanding of how to react in social situations. And a basic understanding of how not to be a needy, whiny little bitch. The rest is personality[/quote]

In a way yes, but I would put at least at much emphasis on the deprogramming.

A lot of this is counterintuitive, at least for my generation.

But yeah, the reason why it gets a bad rep is because if its seen at all, it was executed in an abysmal fashion.[/quote]

Like the video you posted of a hot Polish woman freshly arrived in London who was being cued off-camera by the PUA as he worked his ‘magic’? [/quote]

jajajaja… it was staged, she was paid, she was his sister…

Ok, it does not work, you have convinced me.

[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
Lol.

So, we’ll add an inability to read to your list of special talents.

Listen kid; you want to go around calling people “creeps” and don’t expect a response?

Learn some manners, and no one will talk about how much black dick you suck.

I’m sure yet another of your pathetic, awkwardly-worded, impotent responses is to follow.

That’s cool. I got enough stink on me from being around you, so enjoy the last word.

And now, I’m off to the gym with my lovely wife.

Enjoy your Saturday night with the Internet, loser.
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if you are not a creep why are you so angry?

im not offended by anything you say about me.

it is because it is true, son.
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^^^ “it #1” ^^^ “it #2

Mr. 84: Could you please explain the following?

  1. What do “it #1” and “it #2” refer to in the sentence “it is because it is true, son” in your post above?

  2. How does the chain of conversation leading up to “it #1” and “it #2” imply what they should mean?

Please humor me, and leave out all additional insinuations or claims about Chushin or anybody else, except as they logically pertain to questions #1 and #2 above.

Thanks!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]The Ox Man wrote:
The thing I love the most about threads with Orion in is all the people who think game doesn’t work on anybody but dumb, easy, bimbos. If game is done properly people wouldn’t think there was any game going on at all…

All game is is a good understanding of how to react in social situations. And a basic understanding of how not to be a needy, whiny little bitch. The rest is personality[/quote]

In a way yes, but I would put at least at much emphasis on the deprogramming.

A lot of this is counterintuitive, at least for my generation.

But yeah, the reason why it gets a bad rep is because if its seen at all, it was executed in an abysmal fashion.[/quote]

Like the video you posted of a hot Polish woman freshly arrived in London who was being cued off-camera by the PUA as he worked his ‘magic’? [/quote]

jajajaja… it was staged, she was paid, she was his sister…

Ok, it does not work, you have convinced me. [/quote]

It fooled you on several levels and you held it up as an example of how to read body language by focusing on the hair twirling. You can just as easily redirect somebody’s focus by asking them to spend two minutes in a room memorizing all the red objects then asking them how many blue colored items they can recall when they emerge. Deprogrammed my ass.

You know, I don’t and never have had any problem with game. I have said over and over again that it seeks to mimic natural interplay between men and women, which is fine. I was stunned, when I started reading PUA stuff, to realize that fictional characters I had written were behaving in many of these ways (but not, for heaven’s sake, twirling hair). I know my boyfriend’s aggressive sexual campaign was not learned from the internet (I am the PU expert in our relationship), but nonetheless, the moves were there.

The issue I have specifically with orion (and have had with others) are his nasty generalizations about women and girls. I will argue every. single. time. because I want there to be balance for the sake of the young guys I know are reading. You’ll rarely see me quarrel with AC at this point, but that is because he seems to have worked through some of his shit about women’s motives. His pickup advice is solid and I agree with the vast majority of it.

Good people don’t manipulate others in the vicious manner discussed in some of these threads. If this is one’s experience with more than the odd rare human being, then in my opinion one needs to do a very great deal of soul searching to discover what is the issue within oneself.

It’s no different than someone announcing that they’ve been fired from yet another in a long line of lost jobs, and wanting to talk about what was wrong with the employer.

[quote]undoredo wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
Lol.

So, we’ll add an inability to read to your list of special talents.

Listen kid; you want to go around calling people “creeps” and don’t expect a response?

Learn some manners, and no one will talk about how much black dick you suck.

I’m sure yet another of your pathetic, awkwardly-worded, impotent responses is to follow.

That’s cool. I got enough stink on me from being around you, so enjoy the last word.

And now, I’m off to the gym with my lovely wife.

Enjoy your Saturday night with the Internet, loser.
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if you are not a creep why are you so angry?

im not offended by anything you say about me.

it is because it is true, son.
[/quote]
^^^ “it #1” ^^^ “it #2

Mr. 84: Could you please explain the following?

  1. What do “it #1” and “it #2” refer to in the sentence “it is because it is true, son” in your post above?

  2. How does the chain of conversation leading up to “it #1” and “it #2” imply what they should mean?

Please humor me, and leave out all additional insinuations or claims about Chushin or anybody else, except as they logically pertain to questions #1 and #2 above.

Thanks![/quote]

hey buddy i was responding to this but it has disappeared :frowning: i will give you a quick rehash

  1. #1 is The Creep’s anger. #2 concerns my statement about his creepiness.

  2. it answers my question as to why he is angry: there is a kernel of truth to my statements about his fake rapey “nice guy” chat. He’s angry cos he knows he is a bit of a creep. In contrast I’m not angry about him saying I like violent gay sex or that I’m not intelligent like him. Neither is true so it doesn’t upset me.

I type quick on my phone and shit makes sense to my pea brain at the time.

I apologise for not being clearer.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
You know, I don’t and never have had any problem with game. I have said over and over again that it seeks to mimic natural interplay between men and women, which is fine. I was stunned, when I started reading PUA stuff, to realize that fictional characters I had written were behaving in many of these ways (but not, for heaven’s sake, twirling hair). I know my boyfriend’s aggressive sexual campaign was not learned from the internet (I am the PU expert in our relationship), but nonetheless, the moves were there.

The issue I have specifically with orion (and have had with others) are his nasty generalizations about women and girls. I will argue every. single. time. because I want there to be balance for the sake of the young guys I know are reading. You’ll rarely see me quarrel with AC at this point, but that is because he seems to have worked through some of his shit about women’s motives. His pickup advice is solid and I agree with the vast majority of it.

Good people don’t manipulate others in the vicious manner discussed in some of these threads. If this is one’s experience with more than the odd rare human being, then in my opinion one needs to do a very great deal of soul searching to discover what is the issue within oneself.

It’s no different than someone announcing that they’ve been fired from yet another in a long line of lost jobs, and wanting to talk about what was wrong with the employer. [/quote]

Here is the thing.

I think I already posted this, but the reason this works is because the female genetic programming is utterly mercyless.

Necessarily so.

Now you might not see it that way, because it does not feel that way to you, but what your emotions actually are is a means to either extract the best genes possible, or the best resources that you can.

You may think that men think with your dick, but if accept the existence of hypergamy and logically speaking you really must, women are much more thinking with their vaginas than men would ever think with their dick.

It just does not feeeel that way to them, therefore it cannot be true.

And her lies the problem:

In her prime a lot, and I mean A LOT, go for alpha dick.

Alright.

Except, those guys are not alpha in any real, way shape or form.

Then, when she is done riding the carousel, she finds a nice little provider to have children with, who thinks she is really, really different. Alas said little provider has not nearly as much experience as she has so he thinks she is like a man with boobs, something feminism insisted on for a long time, so he gives in to her demands to make her happy. That makes her resent him, which is why he tries to please harder, which makes her resent him more.

Also, he thinks pussy is a scarce resource and he is afraid to lose it, however little he gets.

Is that kind of pathetic?

Yes, but what other template does he have?

Seem realistically and from a mens perspective, he is even right to do so, because she can rape him in court if it comes to a divorce.

And here comes the kicker:

The only reason women are doing this is because Big Daddy government will take care of her. Some say government is the Big Alpha and they have a point, due to organized violence and all, but what he really is is Big Beta.

No matter how fucked in the head she really is, Big Beta pays for her children. sends them to school, makes sure they have enough to eat, makes sure she does not starve in the street.

I was unable to find the number for the US, but in Austria, men pay 3/4 of the income tax, therefore necessarily also 3/4 of the VAT, which are the two big ones really.

Since women only have two biological reasons either genes or resources, the provider role has been reduced in importance to a degree that the only value left for a lot of women is big, bad alpha cock.

Do you know what that means?

That a lot of honest, decent, hard working men are taxed to the wazoo to make them completely unattractive to women, until they are chosen to impregnate some alpha leftovers, unti she decides yet again that it is time to divorce and take him for half that he has got, preferably plus alimony.

And you know how that welfare state came to be?

Women.

Without the womens right to vote, it would not exist, not to that degree.

This is foul.

This is rotten.

This is the Rome I want to see burn and if the system finally breaks down, as it must, I am looking forward to majors in gender studies to clean the toilets at their local McDonalds because what is their degree worth really?

while I rarely agree with anything you say orion, I have to admit, you are a very interesting guy.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
You know, I don’t and never have had any problem with game. I have said over and over again that it seeks to mimic natural interplay between men and women, which is fine. I was stunned, when I started reading PUA stuff, to realize that fictional characters I had written were behaving in many of these ways (but not, for heaven’s sake, twirling hair). I know my boyfriend’s aggressive sexual campaign was not learned from the internet (I am the PU expert in our relationship), but nonetheless, the moves were there.

The issue I have specifically with orion (and have had with others) are his nasty generalizations about women and girls. I will argue every. single. time. because I want there to be balance for the sake of the young guys I know are reading. You’ll rarely see me quarrel with AC at this point, but that is because he seems to have worked through some of his shit about women’s motives. His pickup advice is solid and I agree with the vast majority of it.

Good people don’t manipulate others in the vicious manner discussed in some of these threads. If this is one’s experience with more than the odd rare human being, then in my opinion one needs to do a very great deal of soul searching to discover what is the issue within oneself.

It’s no different than someone announcing that they’ve been fired from yet another in a long line of lost jobs, and wanting to talk about what was wrong with the employer. [/quote]

Here is the thing.

I think I already posted this, but the reason this works is because the female genetic programming is utterly mercyless.

Necessarily so.

Now you might not see it that way, because it does not feel that way to you, but what your emotions actually are is a means to either extract the best genes possible, or the best resources that you can.

You may think that men think with your dick, but if accept the existence of hypergamy and logically speaking you really must, women are much more thinking with their vaginas than men would ever think with their dick.

It just does not feeeel that way to them, therefore it cannot be true.

And her lies the problem:

In her prime a lot, and I mean A LOT, go for alpha dick.

Alright.

Except, those guys are not alpha in any real, way shape or form.

Then, when she is done riding the carousel, she finds a nice little provider to have children with, who thinks she is really, really different. Alas said little provider has not nearly as much experience as she has so he thinks she is like a man with boobs, something feminism insisted on for a long time, so he gives in to her demands to make her happy. That makes her resent him, which is why he tries to please harder, which makes her resent him more.

Also, he thinks pussy is a scarce resource and he is afraid to lose it, however little he gets.

Is that kind of pathetic?

Yes, but what other template does he have?

Seem realistically and from a mens perspective, he is even right to do so, because she can rape him in court if it comes to a divorce.

And here comes the kicker:

The only reason women are doing this is because Big Daddy government will take care of her. Some say government is the Big Alpha and they have a point, due to organized violence and all, but what he really is is Big Beta.

No matter how fucked in the head she really is, Big Beta pays for her children. sends them to school, makes sure they have enough to eat, makes sure she does not starve in the street.

I was unable to find the number for the US, but in Austria, men pay 3/4 of the income tax, therefore necessarily also 3/4 of the VAT, which are the two big ones really.

Since women only have two biological reasons either genes or resources, the provider role has been reduced in importance to a degree that the only value left for a lot of women is big, bad alpha cock.

Do you know what that means?

That a lot of honest, decent, hard working men are taxed to the wazoo to make them completely unattractive to women, until they are chosen to impregnate some alpha leftovers, unti she decides yet again that it is time to divorce and take him for half that he has got, preferably plus alimony.

And you know how that welfare state came to be?

Women.

Without the womens right to vote, it would not exist, not to that degree.

This is foul.

This is rotten.

This is the Rome I want to see burn and if the system finally breaks down, as it must, I am looking forward to majors in gender studies to clean the toilets at their local McDonalds because what is their degree worth really?
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Uh-huh, and so you’re saying that your former boss is an asshole and fired you for no reason? That happened with the last job, too, huh? And the one before that…

Boy, have you been unlucky.