It was extreme. I think it should be 4 total. 2 in pudding. 2 for sauce. My wife argued with me but I said follow my boys @unreal24278 recipe. Lol
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Gotcha! I think your wife is onto something!
Sorry about hijacking your thread! @physioLojik
Youāre supposed to put the sauce on after its out of the oven lol.
It looks like malva pudding, couldāve cooked it a bit longer though.
Iāll make some today and put it up here because the ask physiolojik thread is now the malva pudding thread
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Brown sugar
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Is that four 12oz (354mL) cans ? What size cans of milk?
So this is a bump.
Four years on TRT, getting off.
Splain please.
Taper, cold turkey, nolva, hcg.
Discuss.
I apologize, I shouldāve typed up the instructions clearer/more carefully. The evaporated milk is for the SAUCE! Not the pudding. On my thread (my first cycle log thread) Iāll retype up the instructions more carefully. If you donāt want to make the sauce thereās an easier way to do it, you can just pour cream on the pudding, but it doesnāt taste quite as sweet that way, and you donāt get the fun of making the sauce (although it doesnāt really matter I guess). I fully stand by brown sugar though, use brown sugar, adds extra flavour.
Remember though, malva pudding is without a doubt one of the worst things you can eat. Despite it being my favorite food, I probably only have it 1-2x/year, on my birthday and on Rosh Hashanah. Donāt eat a lot of it or you will most likely have terrible stomach cramps, itās a very rich food, very tasty, meant for special occasions only though, itās likeā¦ Diabetes in a pudding.
My aunt makes way better malva pudding, Iāll get her recipie off her. The recipie is very similar but the ratios are different
This was my malva puddingā¦ I havenāt made this stuff since I was like 16. Itās just as good as I remember thoughā¦ However I still canāt eat more than a tiny portion of it. This recipie isnāt as good as my auntās though, Iāll post her recipie in a sec after I phone her for it.
Wow it wonāt let me upload the picture itās really irritating me.
Okay! This is the important part! Makes more sense now.
Iām pretty sure Iāll be aight. I was born and raised in Texas. This aināt even close to ādiabetes in pudding.ā
They have been having issues today. Check out the forum feedback thread.
This has turned into a recipe contest, no pharma anymore. 
Zero hope for our questions getting an answer in the flood of off-topic issues. Anyways, my E2 issues seem small in light of how many guys have turned into desperate housewivesā recipe club. 
The desperate housewives of tnation!
Thatās because thereās like 100 different malva pudding recipies bro, however this thread will stop being littered with malva pudding and will go back to pharma discussion. I can see how the malva pudding hijack couldāve been percieved as irritating, so I apologize, I found it really, REALLLLY, really really funny, but each to their own
@The_Myth, is this for everyone to discuss?
Why do you want off trt after so long on? What was the cause for originally going on TRT, with congenital pathology or primary hypogonadism it isnāt really going to be possible to recover, even with acquired secondary hypogonadism sometimes recovery isnāt possible (for instance, rare but a good example, someone with empty sella syndrome sure as hell isnāt going to recover going off trt lol)ā¦ Recovery is probably going to be an absolute bitch regardless of how you try to come off due to prolonged HTPA shutdown, whether you bounce back will be dependent on genetics and the original reason for going on TRT.
Firstly, have you cycled before?
Secondly, this is a terrible idea, were the stents put on post myocardial infarction or just because extensive atheroslerosis was found? If youāre arteries are already diseased, using metandienone or oxandrolone (two anabolic steroids well known for causing adverse changes in blood pressure, blood lipids and haematological parameters (increased RBC+HCT+ potentially increased platelet aggregation), youāre LITERALLY setting yourself up for an early death by using these two specific compounds. Using anabolics at age 56 is already tricky business as you are likely more prone to the adverse affects AAS can induce on the cardiovascular system, however it does depend on the health of the 56 y/o, in youāre particular case youāre SERIOUSLY playing with fire, and not like a spark attempting to light a fuse, but youāre like dangling youāre body over a massive bonfire hoping to not get burnt if you decide to run this cycle.
Hey, man! No probs, man! 
In our house, I do 90% of the cooking, so Iām all about recipes. I even smile when I think how the average person imagines a BB/Gear forum, and Iām sure they donāt envision a couple guys exchanging malva puding recipes. The only thing is, Iām truly eager to get an explanation for the SERM vs AI thing I raised, and time after time it gets lost in the sea of other things. Cholesterol AND E2 seem to be my only concern with blast dose T, so I have good reason to be focused on the AI thing.
Other than this, I have absolutely zero issue with recipes or any other shits and giggles.
Iās strongly advise that you listen to @unreal24278. No one in their right mind will tell you anything drastically different. If thereās a situation when a cycle is contraindicated, thatās yours.
If I were you, Iād find a TRT dose that serves you without the need of an AI, and work under the support of that. Proper T levels do support endothelial function, but anything thatād further exacerbate the lipid issue could easily be a recipe for disaster.
If itās absolutely impossible to talk you out of trying a cycle, probably the least dramatically stupid idea would be a slight increase of T dosage to the point where it doesnāt corrupt your lipids or BP any further. But this doesnāt lack risk at all, either.
Atrophy and just tired of it. My doc isnāt hip to HCG and other stuff, tired of hunting doctors, etcā¦I believe initial diagnosis was caused by lifestyle choices, alcohol, diet, sleep, etcā¦
Understandable. I mean, is the atrophy really noticeable though? My testis never shrank all that much on TRT, theyād just shrank significantly in the year before in which my T had dropped to very low concentrations.
One can acquire leydig receptor downregulation on HCG, it isnāt as safe as was once previously thought. Brief bouts of HCG are probs better when coming off or trying to conceive a child (if one is infertile).
Injectable FSH is also available nowdays, however the same issue (FSH receptor downregulation) appears to existā¦ At least according to animal models. Iād gander given anecdotal reports and literature available that similar issues may be present with human use. So while atrophy could be prevented, use of HCG/ injectable gonadotropins probs arenāt worth the long term drawbacks.
SERMS come with their risks too, many people oversimplify the concept of using them. Just like any other drug they contain risks (dose dependant) and must be treated with respect, Iād say tamofixen is significantly safer than clomipheneā¦ Zuclomiohene is fucking poison lol. (fun fact, Tamoxifen is actually a pro-drug) when ingested Tamoxifen itself actually has veerrry little affinity for the ER. Anyway there isnāt a whole lot of research on male use of SERMS (however the same can be said with many anabolics and even to some extent TRT).
Do you still drink a lot of alcohol, for better chance of a solid recovery Iād suggest against frequent drinkingā¦ As a matter of fact Iād suggest against frequent drinking anyway because alcohol is TERRIBLE for you, seriously it adversely affects just about every major functioning organ in the body lol. Granted Iām a hypocrite as I do drink sometimes, usually just a beer or two every two weeks or so (however I even got drunk on one occasion about three weeks agoā¦ What a terrible experience that was). My 18th birthday is coming up very soon, not specifying when but when it comes my avatar will change to a birthday cake for the day, will def be getting a buzz on that day (but not smashed because I donāt enjoy that feeling) because here is like 21st in America, will also be at a wedding. So Iāll probs go out during that night. I actually canāt believe alcohol is legal because when consumed in excess itās so unbelievably terrible for you. I guess thereās nothing we can do because itās so engrained into society, however I believe that if it was introduced today (actually alcohol and tobacco) thereās no way theyād ever be FDA approvedā¦ Also I donāt use tobaccoā¦
Ever, I tried a cigarette once when I was about fourteen and that was the end of it lol, took one drag and was like ānope, why do people do thisā
How much sleep do you get per night? If not enough, is the reason related to work, stress or generalised insomnia?
Just evaporated milk or is it sweetened condensed evaporated milk?
Youāre 17 and on TRT? Why?
Lol, Iām in recovery. Youāre 17 and telling a 55 year old in recovery that I shouldnāt drink. I like your moxie son.
Iām aware of the sleep, diet, alcohol issues. Iām also aware that I may not restart my HPTA and that waiting for it will be a bitch. Was just hoping for some guidance on the Nolva, when to start, how much, for how long. I go back to my Primary in about ten weeks and will see where my levels are then. It was 170 when I started. Doc said if my E2 was a little higher I would have started my period in a few days, lol.
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First, I am listening to you guys, thatās why Iām hereā¦ I have cycled before; Clen, Avar, mostly, the last cycle included Winstrol. each cycle was 6 weeks on and 4 weeks off. with no issues until the chest pains started while doing cardio. Failed the stress test and my Calcium score was 700 so the Cardiologist recommended angioplasty where he found the Right coronary artery and the Circumflex artery both 90% blocked, placed stents and has since given me release to go back to cardio and working out. I had no prior high blood pressure or cholesterol issues. Donāt know if this info changes anything, but again, I am listening to you. Thanks for your input.