[quote]rainjack wrote:
I was responding to pookie’s post. I have no fucking idea what Thunder’s post has to do with what I said.
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Relax, TB’s post had to do with a prior response of yours to me about “searching”.
What, the president isn’t human? He isn’t just a person who is standing for his principles? You are proving my point…
People have repeatedly said they respect him for that, even if he was wrong or doing something that nobody likes. Nope, I can’t see any parallels at all. The president is clearly a demigod and can’t be used as a simple point of comparison in human issues at all.
[quote]vroom wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I was responding to pookie’s post. I have no fucking idea what Thunder’s post has to do with what I said.
Relax, TB’s post had to do with a prior response of yours to me about “searching”.
You equating the actions of a dickhead in a Circuit City to the principles of a President is laughable.
What, the president isn’t human? He isn’t just a person who is standing for his principles? You are proving my point…
People have repeatedly said they respect him for that, even if he was wrong or doing something that nobody likes. Nope, I can’t see any parallels at all. The president is clearly a demigod and can’t be used as a simple point of comparison in human issues at all.[/quote]
You need to go to bed and really think about this. I mean REALLY think. None of that under the tree shit.
Let me get you started. The dipshit in circuit city has no rights on private property. There are no rights he could be standing up for - other than his right to be a douche in public.
Now - go to bed and really consider if it is necessary for you to take a stand here. Well… as much of a stand as you can take on any subject (please see pookie’s posts wrt to your ability to say so much and still take no stand).
If the circuit city liberator is such a fucking hero - start a fan club. I’m sure lixy would join up and ya’ll could all be pen pals.
Some folks really need to get a life if they feel the need to put this idiot on a pedestal.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You need to go to bed and really think about this. I mean REALLY think. None of that under the tree shit.
Let me get you started. The dipshit in circuit city has no rights on private property. There are no rights he could be standing up for - other than his right to be a douche in public.
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Great, except he walked out of the store…
No more so than it is for people to claim the guy “deserves” to be punished. If people can make that claim, then I can claim otherwise. Was the dickhead legally operating within his own rights? If so, then he doesn’t “deserve” to be arrested.
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If the circuit city liberator is such a fucking hero - start a fan club. I’m sure lixy would join up and ya’ll could all be pen pals.
Some folks really need to get a life if they feel the need to put this idiot on a pedestal.[/quote]
The only reason to argue on his behalf is because of some of the severe crap being heaped at him. If that wasn’t being done then there would be no opposing point to argue, would there?
[quote]vroom wrote:
Great, except he walked out of the store…[/quote]
…and right into the circuit city parking lot.
The issue isn’t his arrest - that was just a bonus. You are shifting the focus. I can understand why, since you are in such a poor position wrt defending the guys actions in and around the store.
So you need to take up for him because rational people can see he is being a dipshit and hope that he gets punished?
Does Circuit City have an universal receipt checking policy? I’m not bothered by costco’s because it’s a given upon entering the store that my receipt will be checked. I can understand though if a person overreacted a bit to being singled out for inspection- casting aspersion on his character by implication- by some punk kid in front of his family.
On a somewhat related note, one thing I like about Costco is that the employees are relatively well paid and resultantly more polite and experienced. Stores like Circuit City and Best Buy on the other hand are awful shopping experiences.
I can’t believe how many people on T-Nation are calling this guy an asshole.
First of all in order to have probable cause to accuse someone of shoplifting, somebody must see them approach, select, and conceal an item. Simply refusing to show a receipt in no way gives probable cause to suspect shoplifting.
Even setting off the alarms as you walk out does not give probable cause for the store to detain you. How many times has a clerk at Wal-mart failed to demagnetize an item as you checked out?
This talk of having no rights on private property is ridiculous. So I can detain you as long as I want if I THINK you MAY have stolen something? The store has every right to ask to see a receipt and the contents of your bag.
The consumer has every right to decline this request. I do, with a simple no thank you, and intelligent employees leave me alone. After all, he has legally purchased the goods and they are now his possesion (including the receipt). Keep in mind, however, the store has every right to kick out, refuse service to you, and never let you return.
I fail to see how Righi is an asshole for not giving in to the power trip of the store manager.
[quote]tedro wrote:
I can’t believe how many people on T-Nation are calling this guy an asshole.
First of all in order to have probable cause to accuse someone of shoplifting, somebody must see them approach, select, and conceal an item. Simply refusing to show a receipt in no way gives probable cause to suspect shoplifting.
Even setting off the alarms as you walk out does not give probable cause for the store to detain you. How many times has a clerk at Wal-mart failed to demagnetize an item as you checked out?
This talk of having no rights on private property is ridiculous. So I can detain you as long as I want if I THINK you MAY have stolen something? The store has every right to ask to see a receipt and the contents of your bag.
The consumer has every right to decline this request. I do, with a simple no thank you, and intelligent employees leave me alone. After all, he has legally purchased the goods and they are now his possesion (including the receipt). Keep in mind, however, the store has every right to kick out, refuse service to you, and never let you return.
I fail to see how Righi is an asshole for not giving in to the power trip of the store manager.[/quote]
Finally, a sane voice of reason. It’s like a breath of fresh air…
Sometimes I go to the Circuit City with an empty sack in my pocket. Then when I am about to leave, I pull the sack out and just dare those power tripping SOB’s to ask for my receipt. When they do, I show them one from Best Buy.
Then me and my friends all high-five each other when we get back in my '74 AMC Pacer.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Sometimes I go to the Circuit City with an empty sack in my pocket. Then when I am about to leave, I pull the sack out and just dare those power tripping SOB’s to ask for my receipt. When they do, I show them one from Best Buy.
Then me and my friends all high-five each other when we get back in my '74 AMC Pacer. [/quote]
Next time you do it you better put it in yourr blog. I feel like I am missing it.
Hey man, sometimes people do get their kicks out of simple things like that and see it as a power trip. Those who don’t have much power, find little ways in which they can experience a sense of power, no matter how small it may be. It gives them a little thrill and sense of accomplishment or excitement for an otherwise boring day.
I think the whole point of Righi’s stand was that it is in these little, seemingly trivial ways in which our rights and privacy are gradually taken away from us…i.e. if we keep giving an inch, the governments/beauracrats/powerful corporate conglomerates will eventually take away an extra inch, and an extra one, until it becomes a mile. The change can be so gradual over the years, that most of the population hardly notices until it is too late. Then they look back and say, “Hey, remember years ago when we didn’t have to [for extreme example:] have a full search and have our body implanted RFID tags scanned upon entering or leaving a place of business or transit center?”
Have you ever heard the allegory of the frog in the pot? Let me elucidate for you…If one puts a frog into a saucepan of water at room temperature…and puts the saucepan onto a stove with the frog sitting in there …comfortably…gradually turning up the heat…the frog does not notice the gradual change in its environment, the increasing temperature - and will continue to sit there until it is too…late…to jump out. It will boil to death. Do you understand what I am getting at? We are like the frogs. …Year by year…incremental changes have been caused in the human world atmosphere…it is gradually becoming the atmosFEAR, without enough people noticing what is going on. It all might eventually reach the point of NO RETURN unless something is done to turn things around.
He was fighting against an atmosphere of submission and fear, being perpetrated in the name of the common good, in his own little way. No matter what your opinions, that was his intention and is his little urban warrior citizen battle in the greater wars going on.
It’s just a way of ‘system jamming’.
Call me paranoid, call him a dick for choosing a silly stupid battle, but sometimes these things gotta be done, sometimes the status quo has to be upset, the world boat has to be rocked because it’s cruising towards destruction at the end of the world if it doesn’t change course.
That kid in the wheel chair at Wal-Mart that checks receipts doesn’t seem to be on a power trip. He seems damn glad to have the job. Whatever disease he has also messes up his hands so he moves a bit slow. Maybe it is a hidden power trip. Next time he says hi to me and asks to see my receipt I will tell him to piss off. Or maybe I will slap him.
Sometimes it becomes painfully evident to even the most casual observer that when some folks use a lot of words, they should have opted for either using far fewer words - or none at all.
For some reason, I can’t help but imagine these guys attending WAY too many Star Trek conventions.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Sometimes it becomes painfully evident to even the most casual observer that when some folks use a lot of words, they should have opted for either using far fewer words - or none at all.
For some reason, I can’t help but imagine these guys attending WAY too many Star Trek conventions. [/quote]
I have noticed the same thing. Why write 100 words when 10 say it better?
Hey, it’s the kind of geeks who watch Star Trek, Star Wars and so forth who are developing the technology you are using right now, to participate in this forum.
Maybe those with higher intelligence and IQ are able to make more sense of the patterns occurring in the world.
[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Hey, it’s the kind of geeks who watch Star Trek, Star Wars and so forth who are developing the technology you are using right now, to participate in this forum.
Maybe those with higher intelligence and IQ are able to make more sense of the patterns occurring in the world.[/quote]
And then again, maybe they are just a bunch of panty-waisted morons that like to make mountains out of molehills.
I am pretty sure if all the convention goers are the new captains of industry they would be far too busy to draw a line in the sand at the local Circuit City.
But hey - if it makes you feel better to think that way, knock yourself out.
[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Hey, it’s the kind of geeks who watch Star Trek, Star Wars and so forth who are developing the technology you are using right now, to participate in this forum.
Maybe those with higher intelligence and IQ are able to make more sense of the patterns occurring in the world.[/quote]
So chasing somebody out the door, through a parking lot, and holding their car door open isn’t an abuse of perceived authority and a power trip?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
And then again, maybe they are just a bunch of panty-waisted morons that like to make mountains out of molehills.
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You know, all the employee and manager had to do was say “ok, have a nice day” and none of this would have happened either.
