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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
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How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
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Then you deny that some major politicos on the left are trying to take advantage of this situation in blaming some on the right?

I hope you’re not denying that, as it would be absurd.
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That is absolutely, wholly different than what rush stated and what is in question. What are you doing? What’s your angle here?[/quote]

What did he say before and after that quote? Without what was before and after there is no telling what the context is. Maybe he is saying what you are saying he is saying, maybe he is saying what Zeb is saying he is saying.

Or maybe Rush is just saying things to get the left to concentrate on him because he doesn’t care what the left thinks about him.[/quote]

Except that Zeb is referring to something that wasn’t in the quote and I am, as he said the “Democrat Party” sooooo I’m not sure where you’re going with that. Before and after what, how much context do you need? It’s not a one sentence snippet. I get that he doesn’t really care what he says as he’s just in it for the shock value, but sometimes he’s just too much.[/quote]

No my friend I am referring to the meaning of the quote.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

Then you deny that some major politicos on the left are trying to take advantage of this situation in blaming some on the right?

I hope you’re not denying that, as it would be absurd.
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That is absolutely, wholly different than what rush stated and what is in question. What are you doing? What’s your angle here?[/quote]

What did he say before and after that quote? Without what was before and after there is no telling what the context is. Maybe he is saying what you are saying he is saying, maybe he is saying what Zeb is saying he is saying.

Or maybe Rush is just saying things to get the left to concentrate on him because he doesn’t care what the left thinks about him.[/quote]

Except that Zeb is referring to something that wasn’t in the quote and I am, as he said the “Democrat Party” sooooo I’m not sure where you’re going with that. Before and after what, how much context do you need? It’s not a one sentence snippet. I get that he doesn’t really care what he says as he’s just in it for the shock value, but sometimes he’s just too much.[/quote]

No my friend I am referring to the meaning of the quote.
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I believe you are referring to your interpretation of the quote. I’ve never denied that some are trying to politically capitalize off this. However, I firmly believe that there is just as much, if not more, crying from the right about the perceived persecution from the left on this issue.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

He has you and the left focused on him and not Palin so I would say he did his job.[/quote]

A legitimate point, but I was personally never focused on palin as you’ll see from my first page comments.
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Very true, you did not focus on palin because you are not retarded. But if we can get to what Rush said, it is common place for both sides of the isle to use what the “leaders” of the party say to tag them to the whole party.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Jonh S. wrote:

He has you and the left focused on him and not Palin so I would say he did his job.[/quote]

A legitimate point, but I was personally never focused on palin as you’ll see from my first page comments.
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Very true, you did not focus on palin because you are not retarded. But if we can get to what Rush said, it is common place for both sides of the isle to use what the “leaders” of the party say to tag them to the whole party.[/quote]

If (and I, of course, will be very hard pressed to be 100% convinced of this) he was basing his generalization on the fact that there were some who attempted to senselessly capitalize then he may have a shaky foothold. Of course it is a fool’s errand to do so, but it is indeed what he’s paid for. I just have a difficult time with people trying to defend statements like that because I just can’t fathom seeing it as he does.

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Seems what send this guy over the edge was learning about the currency. Was my gut feeling from seeing his video’s.

So if anyone wants to point the finger at anyone point the finger at me, and people who worry about the currency. Now most would say that this would be outragus, that a documentary film caused him to shoot people. Sow how about we all put the blame on the shooter and get over this partisan bullshit.

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[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
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A month ago a rally 3 times the size of any tea party or progressive rally occurred in DC. It was run by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert and was attended by 200,000 people who want the partisanship and bickering to stop. And it’s obvious that most of us haven’t listened.
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You mean this rational group?

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So did anyone else hear that the 9 year old girl who was shot was one of 50 babies who were born on sept 11, 2001? Seriously? Fuck coincidences. Can some nerd do the math on that?

V

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

Then you deny that some major politicos on the left are trying to take advantage of this situation in blaming some on the right?

I hope you’re not denying that, as it would be absurd.
[/quote]

That is absolutely, wholly different than what rush stated and what is in question. What are you doing? What’s your angle here?[/quote]

What did he say before and after that quote? Without what was before and after there is no telling what the context is. Maybe he is saying what you are saying he is saying, maybe he is saying what Zeb is saying he is saying.

Or maybe Rush is just saying things to get the left to concentrate on him because he doesn’t care what the left thinks about him.[/quote]

Except that Zeb is referring to something that wasn’t in the quote and I am, as he said the “Democrat Party” sooooo I’m not sure where you’re going with that. Before and after what, how much context do you need? It’s not a one sentence snippet. I get that he doesn’t really care what he says as he’s just in it for the shock value, but sometimes he’s just too much.[/quote]

No my friend I am referring to the meaning of the quote.
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I believe you are referring to your interpretation of the quote. I’ve never denied that some are trying to politically capitalize off this. However, I firmly believe that there is just as much, if not more, crying from the right about the perceived persecution from the left on this issue.
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Crying from the right? If anyone had ever made such an accusation about YOU, or anyone on your side of the political fence there would be outrage and endless editorials about the evil republicans trying to degrade you and your party by the allusion of some sort of connection between a ruthless killer and mere political rhetoric - And you’d be right. Try to see things fairly without the political nonsense and then you’ll know how others feel who don’t have your political beliefs but still have your sensibilities.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:
I just have a difficult time with people trying to defend statements like that because I just can’t fathom seeing it as he does.[/quote]

Because you are not a conservative republican therefore you don’t like Limbaugh, Beck and the others. Pretty simple. And if something were said about John Stewart (and nothing ever will be because the media loves him) I would enjoy it as well.

This is all about politics - I understand that why don’t you?

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[quote]John S. wrote:
So how about we all put the blame on the shooter and get over this partisan bullshit.[/quote]

The scum bag liberals cannot possibly waste a good crisis without trying to drag Palin, Rush or Beck into it. Their hatred for anyone who would question “the chosen one” knows no bounds.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
So how about we all put the blame on the shooter and get over this partisan bullshit.[/quote]

The scum bag liberals cannot possibly waste a good crisis without trying to drag Palin, Rush or Beck into it. Their hatred for anyone who would question “the chosen one” knows no bounds.
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Giving some credit to “the chosen one” I believe Obama was talking to his own party and supporters when he suggested that the nation temper the political discourse. Sure the right is defending themselves from the suggestions, but in order to defend oneself, one must be being attacked. Lets see if people like pitbull get the message from thier savior and stop trying to stir up shit.

V

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
So how about we all put the blame on the shooter and get over this partisan bullshit.[/quote]

The scum bag liberals cannot possibly waste a good crisis without trying to drag Palin, Rush or Beck into it. Their hatred for anyone who would question “the chosen one” knows no bounds.
[/quote]

Giving some credit to “the chosen one” I believe Obama was talking to his own party and supporters when he suggested that the nation temper the political discourse. Sure the right is defending themselves from the suggestions, but in order to defend oneself, one must be being attacked. Lets see if people like pitbull get the message from thier savior and stop trying to stir up shit.

V[/quote]

Just remember, the “Chosen One” was telling people to get in the faces of those who opposed his Health Care Bill when he was trying to pass it. The President played his part.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

There is ample of proof available , one only needs to look. The majority of Americans were against Obama-care, raising taxes, even on the rich (class warfare didn’t work), bigger government in general. Against stricter gun laws, and they are for tougher punishment on those who perpetrate crimes.

If that’s not right leaning then I don’t know what is. Obama is truly an anomaly and I’ve already stated why. He has little chance to win a second term if the republicans pick a decent candidate to run.
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Most Americans are constantly for lowering taxes while expanding the size and scope of government: we have a population of zero-liability voters. I also saw many polls that suggested a slight majority of Americans were in favor if increasing taxes on the wealthy. The reason it didn’t happen was because the senate Republicans were able to hold expanding unemployment benefits hostage, the result being we get extended unemployment benefits and an extension of the Bush-era tax-cuts. Another perfect example of catering to our zero-liability voting population.

Obamacare is a misnomer: people don’t like being forced to buy anything, and whatever you think of the law in it’s entirety, that aspect was the product of the house democrats, not Obama.

That’s not true about gun laws: it varies incredibly by region. These cities and states with outrageous draconian gun laws didn’t pass them without the consent of their people: California and the North East unfortunately make up a large % of the American population: it’s called population density. The US senate is the only place empty land gets a vote.

There’s also nothing conservative about liking guns: as a response to the leftist militants in the 1950s-70s the Democratic Party decided to become anti-gun to distance themselves from those movements. Just as the Republicans don’t represent conservatism (and continue be less and less politically conservative) the Dems don’t represent liberalism. Both party platforms are filled with contradictions, which is why so many Americans are unhappy with them.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
So did anyone else hear that the 9 year old girl who was shot was one of 50 babies who were born on sept 11, 2001? Seriously? Fuck coincidences. Can some nerd do the math on that?

V[/quote]

And you know that’s the reason she was interested in politics? Someone said that her birthday, what happened on it, caused her to be interested in what is going on in the country.

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Just a little correction, guys.

Christina Green was one of 50 babies featured in special picture book on “Hope” following the Twin Tower attacks.

There were a LOT more than 50 babies born in the U.S. on 9/11/2001.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Just a little correction, guys.

Christina Green was one of 50 babies featured in special picture book on “Hope” following the Twin Tower attacks.

There were a LOT more than 50 babies born in the U.S. on 9/11/2001.

Mufasa[/quote]

Yeah, she’s just one of the 50 born on 9/11 in that book, not one of 50 total born on 9/11.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
So how about we all put the blame on the shooter and get over this partisan bullshit.[/quote]

The scum bag liberals cannot possibly waste a good crisis without trying to drag Palin, Rush or Beck into it. Their hatred for anyone who would question “the chosen one” knows no bounds.
[/quote]

Giving some credit to “the chosen one” I believe Obama was talking to his own party and supporters when he suggested that the nation temper the political discourse. Sure the right is defending themselves from the suggestions, but in order to defend oneself, one must be being attacked. Lets see if people like pitbull get the message from thier savior and stop trying to stir up shit.

V[/quote]

Well, pitbull may not as he has the brain of a gnat. But normal lefty’s (wait is that an oxymoron?) will probably tone it down recognizing that they were wrong from the start.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

Most Americans are constantly for lowering taxes while expanding the size and scope of government: we have a population of zero-liability voters. I also saw many polls that suggested a slight majority of Americans were in favor if increasing taxes on the wealthy.[/quote]

I was actually surprised to see the many polls which showed a thin majority of people NOT wanting to raise taxes on the wealthy. The rational was that they were aware of the devastating effect it would have on the economy. Makes sense.

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Obamacare is a misnomer: people don’t like being forced to buy anything, and whatever you think of the law in it’s entirety, that aspect was the product of the house democrats, not Obama.[/quote]

Well, yeah but without Obama’s behind the scenes pushing wanting badly to have a health care legacy it would have gone no where. But you know that.

Yeah like the health care bill right? Stop it.

But I do agree that laws vary per region. But if you look at 8 of 10 national polls Americans do not want stricter gun laws. They may have spike a bit because of the recent shooting but it will settle back to where it usually sits in a month or two.

Yeah the republicans are less conservative than the democrats and the left loves guns. And what planet did you say you were from? Because you’ll have to adjust to our planet now that you’re going to be living here.

Let’s get something straight: The republicans fought to the man to prevent the biggest spending bill in history Obama care. The democrats voted almost to a man to pass it.

And the only time a national democrat picks up a gun is around election time. Otherwise most are too busy trying to either dodge the issue of gun control so they can get reelected, or siding with some lefty on trying to get more gun laws.

Just as I’ve said on these threads many times. A liberal can never really be a liberal when it comes time to get elected. He/she must masquerade as a moderate. The campaign is all about how good the republican is at tearing off the moderate mask. And as I’ve said many times, Obama would never have been elected had the press or someone on the McCain team done their jobs. He’s the most liberal man to ever hold the highest office in the land. And…he is a disaster!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
So how about we all put the blame on the shooter and get over this partisan bullshit.[/quote]

The scum bag liberals cannot possibly waste a good crisis without trying to drag Palin, Rush or Beck into it. Their hatred for anyone who would question “the chosen one” knows no bounds.
[/quote]

Giving some credit to “the chosen one” I believe Obama was talking to his own party and supporters when he suggested that the nation temper the political discourse. Sure the right is defending themselves from the suggestions, but in order to defend oneself, one must be being attacked. Lets see if people like pitbull get the message from thier savior and stop trying to stir up shit.

V[/quote]

Well, pitbull may not as he has the brain of a gnat. But normal lefty’s (wait is that an oxymoron?) will probably tone it down recognizing that they were wrong from the start.
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:slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

Most Americans are constantly for lowering taxes while expanding the size and scope of government: we have a population of zero-liability voters. I also saw many polls that suggested a slight majority of Americans were in favor if increasing taxes on the wealthy.[/quote]

I was actually surprised to see the many polls which showed a thin majority of people NOT wanting to raise taxes on the wealthy. The rational was that they were aware of the devastating effect it would have on the economy. Makes sense.

[quote]
Obamacare is a misnomer: people don’t like being forced to buy anything, and whatever you think of the law in it’s entirety, that aspect was the product of the house democrats, not Obama.[/quote]

Well, yeah but without Obama’s behind the scenes pushing wanting badly to have a health care legacy it would have gone no where. But you know that.

Yeah like the health care bill right? Stop it.

But I do agree that laws vary per region. But if you look at 8 of 10 national polls Americans do not want stricter gun laws. They may have spike a bit because of the recent shooting but it will settle back to where it usually sits in a month or two.

Yeah the republicans are less conservative than the democrats and the left loves guns. And what planet did you say you were from? Because you’ll have to adjust to our planet now that you’re going to be living here.

Let’s get something straight: The republicans fought to the man to prevent the biggest spending bill in history Obama care. The democrats voted almost to a man to pass it.

And the only time a national democrat picks up a gun is around election time. Otherwise most are too busy trying to either dodge the issue of gun control so they can get reelected, or siding with some lefty on trying to get more gun laws.

Just as I’ve said on these threads many times. A liberal can never really be a liberal when it comes time to get elected. He/she must masquerade as a moderate. The campaign is all about how good the republican is at tearing off the moderate mask. And as I’ve said many times, Obama would never have been elected had the press or someone on the McCain team done their jobs. He’s the most liberal man to ever hold the highest office in the land. And…he is a disaster![/quote]

And a republican can never really be a conservative to get elected: they have to tell everyone that they aren’t going to cut social security, medicare or medicaid.

Although the last bunch of high-profile Republicans haven’t even pretended to be politically conservative, they’ve all been open about being pro-big government, supply-side economic-promoting social conservatives.