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[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

I don’t think Loughner had coherent enough thoughts to think it that far through after looking at his videos. Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see him go to a penetentiary for multiple life terms.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

That’s just semantics: conservatives have better PR guys, and have effectively associated the term liberal with a number of negative traits: weak on crime, weak on national security, tax-and-spend, exe. [/quote]

You mean we told the truth and the voters agreed.

[quote]Everyone pays the the “center” in a national (and even most state-wide) general elections. Notice how last presidential election all the sudden the McCain stopped talking about boarder fences as soon as the general election began?

I think you underestimate how “liberal” the US is (in economic terms). Most Americans say they want smaller government, at the same time, most Americans throw a hissy-fit if you talk cutting social security, Medicare, Medicaid, or defense spending (you know, actually reduce the size and scope of government in a meaningful way). Most Americans also buy into Keynesian economic theory, which is why at local, state and national levels, almost every bond ever put before a voting population passes: most people believe that government spending stimulates the economy, and a pretty substantial minority really do believe that government should function as a job-creating entity, especially when the economy is isn’t doing well: screw the deficit, borrow money to fund public works projects and get people back to work.

Now those are not my positions, but as the economy continues to suck, they are becoming more mainstream. But you can’t continue to believe the bullshit about this country being a “center-right” nation: whatever that means.

We’re socially pretty liberal, and most people want the government out of their lives: until they need help, or depend on Medicare and Social Security. I’d say on the grand political spectrum that makes us pretty centrist.[/quote]

There is ample of proof available , one only needs to look. The majority of Americans were against Obama-care, raising taxes, even on the rich (class warfare didn’t work), bigger government in general. Against stricter gun laws, and they are for tougher punishment on those who perpetrate crimes.

If that’s not right leaning then I don’t know what is. Obama is truly an anomaly and I’ve already stated why. He has little chance to win a second term if the republicans pick a decent candidate to run.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

I don’t think Loughner had coherent enough thoughts to think it that far through after looking at his videos. Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see him go to a penetentiary for multiple life terms.[/quote]

I agree, he’s giving that whacko way too much credit.

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I have heard the Left call Tea Party People racist rednecks, xenophobes, homophobes, astroturf, Tea Baggers since their creation. Then the Fort Hood Shooter was accused of being a Tea Party Member, only to be found a Muslim extremist. Then the NYC bomber, same thing, again to be found to be a Muslim extremist. Then Left media groups tried yet again to pin this shooter as a Tea Party Member, yet again there is no evidence.

You are 0-3 amigo. [/quote]

Who?

Who is “the Left?”

What person with a mainstream audience in the millions said these things?

And, which of these things that you’ve mentioned is comparable to constant attacks on the very legitimacy of our government, followed by vague innuendo about revolution?
[/quote]

Your government has no legitimacy.

Even if you accept that a constitution is binding which is not necessarily so, according to people who actually wrote it, 2/3 of what your federal government is doing is way beyond this document that was written in simple declarative sentences that have been twisted and perverted beyond the breaking point in the last 2 centuries.

The thing is though, the only thing giving them any authority is the very document they consistently wipe their asses with.

If you are a US legislator and do not stay within the bounds of the constitution you have sworn to uphold you are basically a thug with lots of guns.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
It has been reported today that this guy:

  1. Did not watch TV
  2. Did not listen to talk radio
  3. Did not vote in November

All of these arguments connecting “speech” to the act are totally baseless.[/quote]

But even if he kept a journal and specifically said Rush, Beck and Palin are my favorite political people and wanted him to do some despicable deed, that is still irrelevant because none of them have ever said such things.

This is just total lunacy from the left. But shouldn’t we expect this? They are famous for a double standard. So just watch whatever they do and expect that they will go off the wall when you do something similar. Who was it that painted Bush in the most horrible terms? And they did this with movies, TV shows, articles etc. Who was it that destroyed Palin with the same tools they did Bush? Right the left…so it makes sense that they don’t like the hyper criticism coming from the right. And trying to attach any blame whatsoever to the right for this madmans actions is just more hypocrisy from the left and should be expected.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

I don’t think Loughner had coherent enough thoughts to think it that far through after looking at his videos. Don’t get me wrong, I would like to see him go to a penetentiary for multiple life terms.[/quote]

I agree, he’s giving that whacko way too much credit.
[/quote]

You might want to remember that just because someone is crazy does not mean they’re stupid. History is riddled with the legacy of crazed geniuses.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

It is not absurd at all. The Left is licking their chops at any opportunity, hoping that one day, one of these whack jobs will be a Fox News watcher, a Rush Limbaugh listener, or a Tea Party Member.

The demonization of this asshole is secondary to pinning this entire tragedy on a specific political affiliation. You had a stupid fucking Sheriff go on national television talking about how the rhetoric and incendiary speech has reached critical mass, when there is no evidence that any of such speech influenced his actions.

The sad thing is, who really gives a shit what political party he might have aligned himself with. Both sides have nutjobs, and both sides have mentally stable people.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

It is not absurd at all. The Left is licking their chops at any opportunity, hoping that one day, one of these whack jobs will be a Fox News watcher, a Rush Limbaugh listener, or a Tea Party Member.

The demonization of this asshole is secondary to pinning this entire tragedy on a specific political affiliation. You had a stupid fucking Sheriff go on national television talking about how the rhetoric and incendiary speech has reached critical mass, when there is no evidence that any of such speech influenced his actions.

The sad thing is, who really gives a shit what political party he might have aligned himself with. Both sides have nutjobs, and both sides have mentally stable people.

[/quote]

Point taken, but it is still absurd. The sheriff talked about rhetoric, but didn’t mention anything about a party in particular. Maybe you guys aren’t reading this the same way I am, because if you were I just can’t see how you would agree that the whole democratic party is supporting someone who murdered 6 people, including a democrat rep. Really, he’s suggesting that he has the full support of the democratic party. That’s insane, right?

edit: didn’t mean to say he had murdered giffords, should have said attempted

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Why, because he speaks the truth about it?

Very true statement…except that his lawyer is the one who know all this. It’s evident on the new MSNBC survey, asking if Sarah Palin was to blame. 60% say yes. Look out, they are coming for our speech now, and the left condone it. [/quote]

I am surprised 40% of msnbc audience is smart enough not to blame her.

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[quote]orion wrote:

The thing is though, the only thing giving them any authority is the very document they consistently wipe their asses with.

If you are a US legislator and do not stay within the bounds of the constitution you have sworn to uphold you are basically a thug with lots of guns.

[/quote]

Orion has it right on this one…

“I swear to uphold the Constitution, as long as it fits my agenda.”

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

That’s just semantics: conservatives have better PR guys, and have effectively associated the term liberal with a number of negative traits: weak on crime, weak on national security, tax-and-spend, exe. [/quote]

You mean we told the truth and the voters agreed.

[quote]Everyone pays the the “center” in a national (and even most state-wide) general elections. Notice how last presidential election all the sudden the McCain stopped talking about boarder fences as soon as the general election began?

I think you underestimate how “liberal” the US is (in economic terms). Most Americans say they want smaller government, at the same time, most Americans throw a hissy-fit if you talk cutting social security, Medicare, Medicaid, or defense spending (you know, actually reduce the size and scope of government in a meaningful way). Most Americans also buy into Keynesian economic theory, which is why at local, state and national levels, almost every bond ever put before a voting population passes: most people believe that government spending stimulates the economy, and a pretty substantial minority really do believe that government should function as a job-creating entity, especially when the economy is isn’t doing well: screw the deficit, borrow money to fund public works projects and get people back to work.

Now those are not my positions, but as the economy continues to suck, they are becoming more mainstream. But you can’t continue to believe the bullshit about this country being a “center-right” nation: whatever that means.

We’re socially pretty liberal, and most people want the government out of their lives: until they need help, or depend on Medicare and Social Security. I’d say on the grand political spectrum that makes us pretty centrist.[/quote]

There is ample of proof available , one only needs to look. The majority of Americans were against Obama-care, raising taxes, even on the rich (class warfare didn’t work), bigger government in general. Against stricter gun laws, and they are for tougher punishment on those who perpetrate crimes.

If that’s not right leaning then I don’t know what is. Obama is truly an anomaly and I’ve already stated why. He has little chance to win a second term if the republicans pick a decent candidate to run.
[/quote]

I don’t think he expected to represent the Democrat party. He was probably just as surprised as anyone.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

Then you deny that some major politicos on the left are trying to take advantage of this situation in blaming some on the right?

I hope you’re not denying that, as it would be absurd.

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You can always tell when Rush is dipping into the Oxycontin again…

Mufasa

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

Then you deny that some major politicos on the left are trying to take advantage of this situation in blaming some on the right?

I hope you’re not denying that, as it would be absurd.
[/quote]

That is absolutely, wholly different than what rush stated and what is in question. What are you doing? What’s your angle here?

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

Then you deny that some major politicos on the left are trying to take advantage of this situation in blaming some on the right?

I hope you’re not denying that, as it would be absurd.
[/quote]

That is absolutely, wholly different than what rush stated and what is in question. What are you doing? What’s your angle here?[/quote]

What did he say before and after that quote? Without what was before and after there is no telling what the context is. Maybe he is saying what you are saying he is saying, maybe he is saying what Zeb is saying he is saying.

Or maybe Rush is just saying things to get the left to concentrate on him because he doesn’t care what the left thinks about him.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

Then you deny that some major politicos on the left are trying to take advantage of this situation in blaming some on the right?

I hope you’re not denying that, as it would be absurd.
[/quote]

That is absolutely, wholly different than what rush stated and what is in question. What are you doing? What’s your angle here?[/quote]

What did he say before and after that quote? Without what was before and after there is no telling what the context is. Maybe he is saying what you are saying he is saying, maybe he is saying what Zeb is saying he is saying.

Or maybe Rush is just saying things to get the left to concentrate on him because he doesn’t care what the left thinks about him.[/quote]

Except that Zeb is referring to something that wasn’t in the quote and I am, as he said the “Democrat Party” sooooo I’m not sure where you’re going with that. Before and after what, how much context do you need? It’s not a one sentence snippet. I get that he doesn’t really care what he says as he’s just in it for the shock value, but sometimes he’s just too much.

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[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

Then you deny that some major politicos on the left are trying to take advantage of this situation in blaming some on the right?

I hope you’re not denying that, as it would be absurd.
[/quote]

That is absolutely, wholly different than what rush stated and what is in question. What are you doing? What’s your angle here?[/quote]

What did he say before and after that quote? Without what was before and after there is no telling what the context is. Maybe he is saying what you are saying he is saying, maybe he is saying what Zeb is saying he is saying.

Or maybe Rush is just saying things to get the left to concentrate on him because he doesn’t care what the left thinks about him.[/quote]

Except that Zeb is referring to something that wasn’t in the quote and I am, as he said the “Democrat Party” sooooo I’m not sure where you’re going with that. Before and after what, how much context do you need? It’s not a one sentence snippet. I get that he doesn’t really care what he says as he’s just in it for the shock value, but sometimes he’s just too much.[/quote]

He has you and the left focused on him and not Palin so I would say he did his job.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Rush Limbaugh:
“What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He’s sitting there in jail. He knows what’s going on, he knows that…the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he’s just a victim. He’s the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America…this guy clearly understands he’s getting all the attention and he understands he’s got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he’s not convicted of murder - but something lesser.”

Fuck him[/quote]

Everything that Rush said above (if in fact he said it) is accurate - All but the final sentence that is.
[/quote]

How can you assert that it is accurate that he has “the full support of a major political party (Democrats) in this country.”

That is absolutely absurd, Zeb.
[/quote]

Then you deny that some major politicos on the left are trying to take advantage of this situation in blaming some on the right?

I hope you’re not denying that, as it would be absurd.
[/quote]

That is absolutely, wholly different than what rush stated and what is in question. What are you doing? What’s your angle here?[/quote]

What did he say before and after that quote? Without what was before and after there is no telling what the context is. Maybe he is saying what you are saying he is saying, maybe he is saying what Zeb is saying he is saying.

Or maybe Rush is just saying things to get the left to concentrate on him because he doesn’t care what the left thinks about him.[/quote]

Except that Zeb is referring to something that wasn’t in the quote and I am, as he said the “Democrat Party” sooooo I’m not sure where you’re going with that. Before and after what, how much context do you need? It’s not a one sentence snippet. I get that he doesn’t really care what he says as he’s just in it for the shock value, but sometimes he’s just too much.[/quote]

He has you and the left focused on him and not Palin so I would say he did his job.[/quote]

A legitimate point, but I was personally never focused on palin as you’ll see from my first page comments.