the only person responsible for your actions are you. Crazy or not, Drug induced or not. You are the one responsible for what you do.
Like the fact that JackAss needs a disclaimer so they don’t get sued because some little idiots get hurt trying their tricks. Johnny Knoxville is not responsible for your lack of parenting or your child’s lack of intelligence.
my only fear is this is just the start, especially seeing someone sent an explosive to napolitano.
This only gives fuel to the regulate the rights away mentality of the progressive machine.
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Pretty good summary here of how the dialogue has unfolded following the shooting. I was quick to discount any influence that palin’s rhetoric would have had on this kid, and I still think it was a nonfactor. However, it doesn’t help her when an aid agrees with an interviewer who suggested they were “surveyors symbols.” Don’t act like people are stupid.
edit: now that paul krugman has weighed in we can put this all to rest.
since that’s a bad krugman article i’ll also post a good one, however unrelated. might be thread worthy for those of us living in texas.
Thanks for the articles. I have been wondering when the troubles in Texas where going to get out. I still do not know how Perry was able to whitewash so many people. Well, no he has to deal with it.
Why are people screaming about the Tea Party when there is no proof or reason to think they had any influence in this?
There has not been any connection made with the shooter or any political group, so why are people pointing the finger at anyone at all? The guy acted alone and is mentally FUBAR.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Why are people screaming about the Tea Party when there is no proof or reason to think they had any influence in this?
There has not been any connection made with the shooter or any political group, so why are people pointing the finger at anyone at all? The guy acted alone and is mentally FUBAR.[/quote]
Because it suites an objective, and most blindly follow what they are told.
In essence if the media keeps pushing it enough, whether or not it has evidence, it will become connected in peoples minds.
I just hope some smart people will stand up to the media and tell them to quit trying to pigeonhole this kid like it matters what his messed up philosophical world view was. If the left and right cannot at least agree that violence is wrong we are doomed.
Both the left and right are trying to use this horrendous event to refute their political opponents the lazy way – by not actually having to make any valid arguments. They use vapid and vacuous language knowing full well the unsophisticated individuals will pick up on certain psychological language queues and have their minds completely made up by them.
This tragic event is going to be one more death nail in the liberty movement’s coffin.
Look for the new mantra from the establishment to be “Long live the police state!”
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Pretty good summary here of how the dialogue has unfolded following the shooting. I was quick to discount any influence that palin’s rhetoric would have had on this kid, and I still think it was a nonfactor. However, it doesn’t help her when an aid agrees with an interviewer who suggested they were “surveyors symbols.” Don’t act like people are stupid.
edit: now that paul krugman has weighed in we can put this all to rest.
since that’s a bad krugman article i’ll also post a good one, however unrelated. might be thread worthy for those of us living in texas.
Thanks for the articles. I have been wondering when the troubles in Texas where going to get out. I still do not know how Perry was able to whitewash so many people. Well, no he has to deal with it.[/quote]
Krugman long ago ceased to be a credible economist. The shame he brings on my MIT is great.
[quote]John S. wrote:
So the liberals on this site are going to ignore the WSJ article I posted showing he was targeting her since 2007. They are going to ignore his own videos, because of their hatred of Sarah Palin? But it is the right wing that is nuts? Up is down, 2+2=5 for you guys right.[/quote]
The liberal double standard is telling. There was a poster on this site (a girl, don’t remember which one, I think maybe Oleena) who posted on the “who do you want to succeed in 2011” thread “Sarah Palin’s Assassin — uh, duh, just joking.”)
The fact that assasination of someone because you don’t like their politics is funny to liberals is very telling of their mindset.
I can’t stand Obama, but I would never wish him to be killed.
There is enough hypocrisy and setting of double standards to go around; both from the Left AND the Right.
My problem is that no one…NO one…left or right…is “owning” their rhetoric…and the consequences of their words and actions, not only on the deterioration of public discourse and debate; but also when incendiary rhetoric falls on the ears of people like this kid.
This thread has proven that the response of many will either be 1) "Look…THEY did it! OR 2) “We” are the good guys!
I honestly don’t give a damn what end of the spectrum the rhetoric comes from; but if it’s hurtful, divisive, and in some cases, dangerous…get some balls and don’t “blame” the other side for the consequences.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
You can take this to the bank…
There is enough hypocrisy and setting of double standards to go around; both from the Left AND the Right.
My problem is that no one…NO one…left or right…is “owning” their rhetoric…and the consequences of their words and actions, not only on the deterioration of public discourse and debate; but also when incendiary rhetoric falls on the ears of people like this kid.
This thread has proven that the response of many will either be 1) "Look…THEY did it! OR 2) “We” are the good guys!
I honestly don’t give a damn what end of the spectrum the rhetoric comes from; but if it’s hurtful, divisive, and in some cases, dangerous…get some balls and don’t “blame” the other side for the consequences.
Mufasa [/quote]
I agree, the only problem I have with what people are saying is Glenn Beck is the cause of violence.
Up until probably 5 or 6 months ago I would have been a major proponent of an internal war to wipe the slate clean (forgive me in my error). But after really watching listening to what Glenn Beck was talking about I realized, that is the wrong answer. It wasn’t until a colleague suggested watching that I started to understand that.
I am a hothead by nature and look for the first reason to fight most of the time. But if anything listening to what he presents and looking further into it for myself has helped to subdue some of the resentful feelings I have had.
Now that being said I do understand, he is a commentator and entertainer. I get my news and information from many different sources. But to say he spews hate filled vitriol is very erroneous.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s funny how the left changes its tune depending on what they want. When it comes to promoting basically R rated filth on TV with a large degree of violence thrown in they say it’s freedom of speech. You right wingers are overly sensitive. But now for some reason everyone on the right has to tone it down because there are crazy people who take things too far. But those same crazy people don’t take things too far that regularly passes as news and entertainment in the MSLM? Now either words and pictures mean something or they don’t which is it? [/quote]
Interesting point. Hollywood has been glorifying violence for decades. I wonder if the left is up for censorship.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I just hope some smart people will stand up to the media and tell them to quit trying to pigeonhole this kid like it matters what his messed up philosophical world view was. If the left and right cannot at least agree that violence is wrong we are doomed.
Both the left and right are trying to use this horrendous event to refute their political opponents the lazy way – by not actually having to make any valid arguments. They use vapid and vacuous language knowing full well the unsophisticated individuals will pick up on certain psychological language queues and have their minds completely made up by them.
This tragic event is going to be one more death nail in the liberty movement’s coffin.
Look for the new mantra from the establishment to be “Long live the police state!”
I hope I am wrong.[/quote]
Me too, but this is the exact type of thing that tightens the noose.
[quote]John S. wrote:
So the liberals on this site are going to ignore the WSJ article I posted showing he was targeting her since 2007. They are going to ignore his own videos, because of their hatred of Sarah Palin? But it is the right wing that is nuts? Up is down, 2+2=5 for you guys right.[/quote]
The liberal double standard is telling. There was a poster on this site (a girl, don’t remember which one, I think maybe Oleena) who posted on the “who do you want to succeed in 2011” thread “Sarah Palin’s Assassin — uh, duh, just joking.”)
The fact that assasination of someone because you don’t like their politics is funny to liberals is very telling of their mindset.
I can’t stand Obama, but I would never wish him to be killed.[/quote]
During the entire health care debacle, didn’t Obama tell people to go home and talk to people, get in their face if you have to, something of that nature? Wait, here it is. So much for Mr. Anti-Vitriol. Way to go Mr. President, you are the shining example aren’t you.
[quote]John S. wrote:
So the liberals on this site are going to ignore the WSJ article I posted showing he was targeting her since 2007. They are going to ignore his own videos, because of their hatred of Sarah Palin? But it is the right wing that is nuts? Up is down, 2+2=5 for you guys right.[/quote]
The liberal double standard is telling. There was a poster on this site (a girl, don’t remember which one, I think maybe Oleena) who posted on the “who do you want to succeed in 2011” thread “Sarah Palin’s Assassin — uh, duh, just joking.”)
The fact that assasination of someone because you don’t like their politics is funny to liberals is very telling of their mindset.
I can’t stand Obama, but I would never wish him to be killed.[/quote]
First page.
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lol debraD is a sicko.
EDIT: Careful what you wish for, you may just get it.
[quote]siouxperman wrote:
Pretty good summary here of how the dialogue has unfolded following the shooting. I was quick to discount any influence that palin’s rhetoric would have had on this kid, and I still think it was a nonfactor. However, it doesn’t help her when an aid agrees with an interviewer who suggested they were “surveyors symbols.” Don’t act like people are stupid.
edit: now that paul krugman has weighed in we can put this all to rest.
since that’s a bad krugman article i’ll also post a good one, however unrelated. might be thread worthy for those of us living in texas.
Thanks for the articles. I have been wondering when the troubles in Texas where going to get out. I still do not know how Perry was able to whitewash so many people. Well, no he has to deal with it.[/quote]
Krugman long ago ceased to be a credible economist. The shame he brings on my MIT is great.
I had heard similar things the Krugman and your article point out. The cuts to services, education and universities to prevent a deficit are not reflected in the nation review article.
I had heard similar things the Krugman and your article point out. The cuts to services, education and universities to prevent a deficit are not reflected in the nation review article.[/quote]
Actually they are. And that’s called “living within one’s means.” It’s a shocking concept to liberals.
It’s also interesting to note that Texas is swallowing immigrants fleeing all the Blue State crappy economies and somehow managing to find them good jobs.
Texas should put up a sign though: “Texas has a good economy because we are not liberals. If you plan on voting liberal, please go back to the state you ruined.”
I had heard similar things the Krugman and your article point out. The cuts to services, education and universities to prevent a deficit are not reflected in the nation review article.[/quote]
Actually they are. And that’s called “living within one’s means.” It’s a shocking concept to liberals.
It’s also interesting to note that Texas is swallowing immigrants fleeing all the Blue State crappy economies and somehow managing to find them good jobs.
Texas should put up a sign though: “Texas has a good economy because we are not liberals. If you plan on voting liberal, please go back to the state you ruined.”[/quote]
We are hijacking this thread, so here is my last post here.
I agree that Texas is different and that conservative and liberal there means something else that in other states, especially the northeast.
I think Perry and Bush have relieved on the kindness of strangers a bit too much and cut some important programs, but I do prefer the financial restraint in Texas than the bloat of New York state.
I got the nickname “bootstraps” because the NY folks in grad school could not understand my take on funding as opposed to their more socialist/communal notions.
