Hey guys , I started a cycle with test E 250 2xweek . hcg2xweek 250iu each and had to introduce arimidex because of gyno symptoms. On Tuesday I took 1cc test e, 250 iu of hcg . Wednesday 2cc of test and Thursday 1 of test with one shot of hcg . Friday my nipple were swollen and sore so I took. 25 of arimidex… Sunday took 1cc test e with .25 arimidex and 1 1cc (250iu) hcg. still sore nips so dropped the hcg and took .25 arimidex Tuesday. Wednesday depression set in a bit with low energy and low appetite took 1cc test e this morning and feel like shit this evening . Any suggestions ? I have nolva on hand as well
Ok your log of shots has to have some typos in it or did you end up taking a total of 4 CC’s of test from Tuesday thru Thursday?
The top part of your post stated a total of 500 mgs of test a week.
I know for me with my brand of UGL test and UGL arimidex I would need to be around 0.5 mgs of arimidex every other day. Every one is different but my point is just because your bottle says 250mgs of test per cc and 1 mg of arimidex per tablet it does not mean that it is a 100% accurate dosage. You might need to up the arimidex dosage.
Things to think about as you are dialing in your dosage;
First HCG will make you aromatize test no matter how much AI you take. I am not familiar with the specifics but I have read that enough from credible sources to take it as fact. You might be super sensitive to estrogen thus the early gyno signs. If you are able to dial in the arimidex dosage properly for you with your brands and body then you still see gyno that would be one of the times that Nolvadex would be needed on cycle. Now don’t just go and take Nolvadex to deal with it. You need to figure out your arimidex dosage. I don’t know your prior history so I can’t really say anymore than try 0.5 mgs EOD. If you just use Nolvadex to deal with the issue then you could end up desensitizing to it and it won’t work for PCT when you need it.
Second thing to think about. I know what you wrote as your symptoms sounds like you crashed your estrogen but high estrogen can also cause the same signs. Since you have gyno signs and your dosage of arimidex is not comparable to a previous cycle I would think you have high estrogen not crashed estrogen. Also remember that HCG is going to cause an estrogen rise as well.
If I were you I would try increasing the arimidex dosage to 0.5 EOD. You will need to give yourself a few days at this dosage to see if it is enough, maybe a week or so.
Without knowing more about you I would also put in I don’t think that the rise in aromatizing caused by the HCG alone could necessarily be high enough to cause gyno. So if you get your AI dialed in properly then the amount of estrogen you will still have from the HCG should not give you gyno. But everyone is different.
I wish I could be more specific but I don’t know your history or what week of the cycle you are on. If I am to understand that just started a cycle means you are on week one and already have issues then I would think it is the HCG causing the gyno. I just don’t know if our bodies respond fast enough to produce enough aromatizing enzyme to cause the issue within a few days.
Adex takes a while to build up in your system. Be careful as you can tank your E when the adex kicks in. I usually get sore joints for no reason, lethargy too.
Personally I do better running nolva on cycle to stop gyno. I don’t really like AI’s, tricky to dial in correctly for me.I don’t take HCG so I can’t comment on that effects the cycle. If you are worried about desensitization in PCT(I have no idea if it is an issue or not), you could try using clomid for pct( or clomid on cycle, and Nolva for PCT). I would have thought with hcg during the cycle that pct is going to be faster, regardless which serm you use.
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I tried to front load that’s why I did the extra . My first shot was on May 22 (tuesday)… it almost feels like around the 24 hour mark( lastnight was the worst ) after taking the arimidex is the worst , well I had diarrhea , joints are sore, in my own head alot , feel bloated and no energy at all but my nipples are still puffy and tender and I’m sure around it gained fatty tissue I also lost my appetite and I usually eat alot … They almost feel they get warm by times too . I wonder should I try the .5 eod or just see if the .25 will balance me our if my test levels come down since I only front loaded 22,23 and 24th …
You front loaded test e? That’s not a great idea when you have no idea how your body reacts to the AI you’re using. It sounds like you don’t do well with arimidex (if that’s even what you have) and you’ll probably struggle to dial in your dosage until your cycle is over. You need blood work at this point. Having e2 out of whack—either too high or too low—will make you feel miserable. You don’t want that. I have a very hard time believing you got gyno nine days after starting a test-only cycle. I know it can happen, but it’s kind of unusual, especially with a medium length ester like enanthate. If you had blasted 750mg of prop in a four day span I could see it happening. But test e? I’m dubious.
So do you think the best thing is to continue the 500 mg/week and take my arimidex the same for about a week then go get tested ? Because if I get tested right now the arimidex and test may not be at the levels they’re gonna be . I did my test shot yesterday morning and took .25 arimidex this morning . I’m still a bit groggy but I was able to eat a bit and stuff today , have a bit of energy . I’m thinking the front load spiked me too much and now I’m leveling out ? Not exactly sure tho .