"Of course now I balance my meats and rotate them regularly and make healthier choices for the meat (fresher, leaner, grain fed etc). "
Dude? You realize that grain fed=low quality, mass produced meat right? Just like “Grass raised”. All beef in North America is “Grass raised” it is then sent to KAFOs to be fattened with corn and soy. The only legit, good, healthy meet these days is either bought from the Rancher/Farmer so you can ask what the cattle are fed or are marketed as “Grass Finished” or “Pasture Finished”. If it says anything else it is corn fed and is bad for the environment and less healthy (poor Omega 3/6 ratio).
I’m on the fence a bit. I drink milk, eat eggs, love wild fish and eat some meat. I do think the people who are cavalier and aggressive about the issues these animals face are missing the point. I don’t mind the 30 seconds in which the animal dies. I take issue with them being penned up, force-fed corn, given massive doses of prophylactic antibiotics to combat bloat and deal with the immune problems cows face in Kafos. This isn’t just a animal cruelty issue. It’s an issue with food quality, food safety that are causing us to get sick. Wouldn’t it be awesome if every steak came with a free dose of Omega-3? Guess what? It used to.
[quote]TheTick42 wrote:
"Of course now I balance my meats and rotate them regularly and make healthier choices for the meat (fresher, leaner, grain fed etc). "
Dude? You realize that grain fed=low quality, mass produced meat right? Just like “Grass raised”. All beef in North America is “Grass raised” it is then sent to KAFOs to be fattened with corn and soy. The only legit, good, healthy meet these days is either bought from the Rancher/Farmer so you can ask what the cattle are fed or are marketed as “Grass Finished” or “Pasture Finished”. If it says anything else it is corn fed and is bad for the environment and less healthy (poor Omega 3/6 ratio).
I’m on the fence a bit. I drink milk, eat eggs, love wild fish and eat some meat. I do think the people who are cavalier and aggressive about the issues these animals face are missing the point. I don’t mind the 30 seconds in which the animal dies. I take issue with them being penned up, force-fed corn, given massive doses of prophylactic antibiotics to combat bloat and deal with the immune problems cows face in Kafos. This isn’t just a animal cruelty issue. It’s an issue with food quality, food safety that are causing us to get sick. Wouldn’t it be awesome if every steak came with a free dose of Omega-3? Guess what? It used to.[/quote]
Is it really sustainable though? There is no doubt in my mind that the better treatment of animals is better for our health but it seems to me that there might not be enough resources for the entire planet to enjoy the diet of free range and organic food I personally have the privilege of consuming.
[quote]TheTick42 wrote:
"Of course now I balance my meats and rotate them regularly and make healthier choices for the meat (fresher, leaner, grain fed etc). "
Dude? You realize that grain fed=low quality, mass produced meat right? Just like “Grass raised”. All beef in North America is “Grass raised” it is then sent to KAFOs to be fattened with corn and soy. The only legit, good, healthy meet these days is either bought from the Rancher/Farmer so you can ask what the cattle are fed or are marketed as “Grass Finished” or “Pasture Finished”. If it says anything else it is corn fed and is bad for the environment and less healthy (poor Omega 3/6 ratio).
I’m on the fence a bit. I drink milk, eat eggs, love wild fish and eat some meat. I do think the people who are cavalier and aggressive about the issues these animals face are missing the point. I don’t mind the 30 seconds in which the animal dies. I take issue with them being penned up, force-fed corn, given massive doses of prophylactic antibiotics to combat bloat and deal with the immune problems cows face in Kafos. This isn’t just a animal cruelty issue. It’s an issue with food quality, food safety that are causing us to get sick. Wouldn’t it be awesome if every steak came with a free dose of Omega-3? Guess what? It used to.[/quote]
Is it really sustainable though? There is no doubt in my mind that the better treatment of animals is better for our health but it seems to me that there might not be enough resources for the entire planet to enjoy the diet of free range and organic food I personally have the privilege of consuming. [/quote]
No, it is not sustainable, but that is Social Darwinism at work. Not everyone is conscious enough to seek out healthy cuts of meat, let alone practicing a healthy lifestyle. These people are more likely to die off quicker, thus extending and preserving people who you might find on this site. Shitty I know, but hey, that’s what happens when you don’t bother giving a shit about yourself.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey lets pull another thread up from a year ago.
How the fuck do you people even find these?[/quote]
Pricks like you keep telling us to “Use the fucking search box…” so maybe you shouldn’t bitch when we do. Also - No one made you read or respond so shut the hell up.
[quote]debraD wrote:
Is it really sustainable though? There is no doubt in my mind that the better treatment of animals is better for our health but it seems to me that there might not be enough resources for the entire planet to enjoy the diet of free range and organic food I personally have the privilege of consuming. [/quote]
Yes and no. Michael Pollan’s “Omnivore’s Dilemma” talks a lot about the various food chains we can choose to be the top of. It’s a great read and approaches meat with no defensiveness or attitude. He acknowledges the issues and takes a thoughtful, balanced view on it.
I think the trick is to get the companies that produce our food off the damn commodities market. If tax money is going to be used to subsidize food it shouldn’t be corn and soy it should be fresh fruit and veg or sustain-ably farmed, humane animal products. I don’t see that even vegans can complain about that step. Yeah we are killing animals and “using” them but we are at least doing it in a way that makes their lives longer, “happier” and without notable pain. The fact that we are getting better, tastier, healthier meat as a bi-product is a bonus.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey lets pull another thread up from a year ago.
How the fuck do you people even find these?[/quote]
Pricks like you keep telling us to “Use the fucking search box…” so maybe you shouldn’t bitch when we do. Also - No one made you read or respond so shut the hell up.[/quote]
I’m not trying to be confrontational here, but there’s a big difference between using the search function and reading a discussion about a topic you’re interested in, and using the search function and then responding to a post somebody put up a year ago and then everybody forgot about.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I just ate some deer that was fucking great. It was free range too until it got knocked off of its hooves by a high velocity piece of lead.
[quote]debraD wrote:
Is it really sustainable though? There is no doubt in my mind that the better treatment of animals is better for our health but it seems to me that there might not be enough resources for the entire planet to enjoy the diet of free range and organic food I personally have the privilege of consuming. [/quote]
Yes and no. Michael Pollan’s “Omnivore’s Dilemma” talks a lot about the various food chains we can choose to be the top of. It’s a great read and approaches meat with no defensiveness or attitude. He acknowledges the issues and takes a thoughtful, balanced view on it.
I think the trick is to get the companies that produce our food off the damn commodities market. If tax money is going to be used to subsidize food it shouldn’t be corn and soy it should be fresh fruit and veg or sustain-ably farmed, humane animal products. I don’t see that even vegans can complain about that step. Yeah we are killing animals and “using” them but we are at least doing it in a way that makes their lives longer, “happier” and without notable pain. The fact that we are getting better, tastier, healthier meat as a bi-product is a bonus.
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[quote]WWEAttitude wrote:
I’ve been eating alot of meat for quite some time now, but lately alot of my family members are becoming vegetarian and they always have me against the ropes in regards to their reasoning and arguments of how much more beneficial a vegetarian diet is compared to eating meat.
It’s starting to annoy me now and I want to know some good reasons (not just “meat tastes good” or meat is for men) as to why its not good to be strictly vegetarian. What do you guys say to people who try to push their vegan “agenda” onto you?[/quote]
watch / make them all watch “Fat Head” its the rebuttle documentory to super size that got a lot less press because the guy looses fat / gains muscle - eating nothing but fast food, lots of saturated fat (under 2k calories and under 100 grams carbs)… he also goes through why we as humans need meat, fat, and how / why carbs / bread are so forced on us as a nation (faulty science)
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hey lets pull another thread up from a year ago.
How the fuck do you people even find these?[/quote]
Man…fuckin’ a right! I spent a half hour reading this before I realized it was a year old…and that argument about the search function is stoopid.
For the record here’s what I’ve ordered meat wise this year:
2 cows (one is going to market at the ripe age of 2 years old…should be AWESOME)
4 hogs
3 lambs (Might order more lambs later in the year…I get ‘em cheap now since I can slaughter and butcher them myself…save 4 bucks per pound FTW!)
1 goat (She Say don’t like goat)
52 chickens (might raise that to a hunnerd if I get a promotion I’m buckin’ for)
4 ducks (She say don’t like duck)
4 turkeys (My rancher has a smaller supply)
[quote]debraD wrote:
Is it really sustainable though? There is no doubt in my mind that the better treatment of animals is better for our health but it seems to me that there might not be enough resources for the entire planet to enjoy the diet of free range and organic food I personally have the privilege of consuming. [/quote]
Yes and no. Michael Pollan’s “Omnivore’s Dilemma” talks a lot about the various food chains we can choose to be the top of. It’s a great read and approaches meat with no defensiveness or attitude. He acknowledges the issues and takes a thoughtful, balanced view on it.
I think the trick is to get the companies that produce our food off the damn commodities market. If tax money is going to be used to subsidize food it shouldn’t be corn and soy it should be fresh fruit and veg or sustain-ably farmed, humane animal products. I don’t see that even vegans can complain about that step. Yeah we are killing animals and “using” them but we are at least doing it in a way that makes their lives longer, “happier” and without notable pain. The fact that we are getting better, tastier, healthier meat as a bi-product is a bonus.
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I take it you’ve read “The Vegetarian Myth”?[/quote]
Nope. Any good? My family farmed (farms a little) in Iowa. It’s just sad going there because the farm belt is ugly and desolate compared to when I visited as a kid just 10-15 years ago.
People are bitching because this thread is old as fuck. If you don’t see the wisdom in that, google “be a member longer than a month” before you talk shit.
I don’t see the problem with responding to an old thread. I am a member on a message board that has a scrolling format and I wish people on there could use the search function and respond at the end of those threads rather than starting a new thread on the same conversation every day.
That being said, I don’t confront the vegan or whomever. When my wife gets teary eyed about the documentary on how ground beef is made, I just remind her that God gave us an animal that is very large, moves very slowly (so it’s easy to hunt/heard/kill), eats what grows on the ground, and whose entire body can be used to provide food, shelter, clothing, and tools for us.
I don’t see the problem in digging up an old thread either. It sure beats starting another thread just like it and having every asshole rip you for not using the search function because there’s already an old thread like it on here.
Okay… I’m off to make myself a quarter lb organic beef burger. Medium rare.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I don’t see the problem in digging up an old thread either. It sure beats starting another thread just like it and having every asshole rip you for not using the search function because there’s already an old thread like it on here.
Okay… I’m off to make myself a quarter lb organic beef burger. Medium rare. [/quote]
Nice. I miss the cost of food in the USA. Up here we have $3 dozen eggs, $4 gallons of milk and the cheapest meat I see in the grocery is $2.99lb. Canada doesn’t have an obesity problem but I sometimes wonder if it isn’t via taxation.