My Fellow American,
Be a man about this and admit too it. Get a lawyer to get you the lowest possible punishment and then do it like a man.
I did! And look at me now, I am the President of the United States!!! The American people can forgive mistakes, but the can not forgive lying about them! Sorry, gotta go, my other phone is ringing. By gum, it’s Billy Clinton.
You can flame me all you want, the fact is, if any of you get arrested you will get a lawyer and try to get out of it.
He who hath no sin, cast the first stone.
BTW - In my state you can refuse the all tests. You do not have to take them, they just threaten to take away your license, of which you have 10 days to contest this. I only recommend this if you are pretty sure you are guilty, this alternative is better because they have nothing to convict you on. If you try to be a man, you are going to get fucked, period. It's more heat than you want for a mistake. Get out of it any way you can.
I would like to see anybody here who would get arrested for anything and "take it like a man". You'll be taking it like a bitch in prison if you take that approach. Don't be stupid, do your research and get out of it anyway you can. The experience of that in itself is bad enough to deter you from doing it again.
It's your ass, but if you decide to take it like a man, don't forget to lube up, it hurts worse when it's dry.
“Responsible”, ADJECTIVE: …Able to make moral or rational decisions on one’s own and therefore be answerable for one’s behavior.
“Irresponsible”, ADJECTIVE: 1. Marked by a lack of responsibility 2. Lacking a sense of responsibility; unreliable or untrustworthy…
What kind of LOSER gives advice on how to get out of a DUI? Yes you can have a good lawyer but you are still going to face some kind of crime. You expect the guy to go infront of a judge say “someone forced me to drive my car home I really fought them” or “I felt that I haven’t had the much to drink”? Come on. Yes his alcohol level wasn’t to bad but still over the limit. What people need to do is face the penalty they deserve for driving drunk. No excuses thus no lawyer.
Hey W.! Hey I heard you committed a crime and pleaded guilty? Why did you do that? You could have committed perjury (used to be a felony, still is for normal peon Americans) as long as your polls were high and you were slick enough, you wouldn’t have gotten in trouble! Take it from me – it is far easier to lie and equivocate and mince words than to take responsibility for your actions! Throw some missiles around, do anything to keep people from paying attention to your crimes. Tell ol’ Cheney not to worry – I established that once you get to the top of the government, you are above the law! Hey, if they really stick it to you, try to hold off for a decade, that’s when I get my law license back from that whole perjury thing, I would be happy to help! – Bubba
I agree with Pat on this one. Any of you who say to “take it like a man” wouldn’t feel so great about that approach if you were in Dawg’s shoes. It’s got to be a shitty situation to be in, and he’s obviously aware that he fucked up. Whether he gets off completely or gets the book thrown at him, it’s going to turn his life upside down for awhile. Enough to make someone think good and hard about ever doing it again. And anyone who got busted for something substanial would be a downright FOOL to just bend over and take it up the pipe by our government.
That’s the thing, most people don’t learn from the mistake. Perhaps Dawg is, and that’s a good thing, but look at the number of repeat offenders out there. I don’t think he should go to jail, everyone is entitled to ONE mistake, but being a weasel like Pat is suggesting is low. You chose to drive impared, you deserve the consequences of your actions. The fact that there are schools of lawyers who specialize in getting guilty people out of trouble is sickening.
I don’t think he will be taking a pipe up his you know… but instead I think some of the older veterans at the local hotel with bars on the windows will have something to shove up there. Yes it will change his life but he was the one who chose to change his life no one else decided to change this, he got behind the wheel he drove the car, not casper. Face the facts. Just dont’ forget your soap on a rope.
Firstly, dont ever DUI again and dont let anyone else you know do it either! Thats the BEST way to pay your dept to society.
Luckily no one was harmed. That being the case, get off these charges anyway possible. Everyone telling you to face it like a man are saying that because they dont care about you. You are just a screen name to them and as soon as they turn off their computers you cease to exist. If it were one of their loved ones in the same situation as you’re in most would be advising you differently.
The point is, assuming you’ve learned your lesson (VERY IMPORTANT), that you shouldnt be punished for it. You werent wasted nor was anyone hurt. You dont throw a baby shower for a girl who almost got pregnant so why take the fall for this?
Again, I cant stress it enough, NEVER DUI AGAIN or let others DUI. You’ve seen the commercials and know how to do it.
Good luck
I wasn’t suggesting that he plead insanity or pretend he didn’t do anything. I’m sure the legal system will punish him appropriately. But what I was gathering from some of the posts here was that he should not even get a lawyer. I think everyone is entitled to a good defense and he should definitely seek counsel, that’s all.
And as an aside, what are people’s thoughts on the BAC limit (mostly .08 in the US) anyway? It’s been getting lower and lower as the years pass. Is this the right way to go about curbing drinking and driving? I agree that those who blow higher BAC levels, as well as repeat offenders, should face stiffer penalties. However, Dawg got busted for being right at or a bit above the legal limit (either .08 or .10)… ignoring the fact that he’s eighteen. Is anyone at that level really any more impaired than those driving after very little sleep the night before or those incessant cell phone talkers? I don’t see much of a difference. Hell, there are so many dipshits on the road today, that most of them should be considered “impaired” all the time. Between old people, sixteen year olds with something to prove, and the scatter brains, I just don’t know. Just looking for thoughts here on how to improve the current system: what kind of stiffer penalties should be implemented?
I see that nobody here has dumb something done and gotten away with it. I.E…you didn’t get pulled over that night…Wow you must all be perfect, because I am sure if you were standing in front of a judge, you would go with out a lawyer plead guilty and ask for the stiffest sentence possible, because after all thats would T-man would do…You must all be Holier than old Dawg here since obviously, thats what you would do…Bunch of Holier than Thou. I bet 10:1 that anybody here gets into the same jam as Dawg here they would be crying like a pussy to the nearest lawyer and begging the judge for clemancy.
You see porchdawg, nobody here has ever nor ever would drive when they were a little questionable, so your just an asshole. They are better than you!
If my son or daughter were to be arrested for DUI they would sit their ass in jail. I wouldn’t pay $1 to get them out any earlier than they were sentenced to. I wouldn’t pay their bail, I wouldn’t hire a lawyer. “You learned your lesson, so you shouldn’t be punished.” Bullshit. Just because no one was hurt doesn’t excuse anything. If he had shot a gun into a crowd and luckily not hit anyone, would you say, “Well, you learned your lesson”?
How much had you had to drink anyway? Over how long a period?
Next time don’t get caught. It isn’t a crime if no one catches you.
There’s a HUGE difference between your example of shooting in a crowd and driving home with 2 beers in your system. The difference is intent. When you fire into a crowd know you will probably cause someone harm. Trying to get home with a blood level of .1 is different.
Do you honestly think that this kid was a bigger menace to society because of the .02 difference? Imagine 2 individuals. One 200lbs the other 150 lbs. Both down 2 beers and head home. If they were both pulled over one would be stopped for DUI and the other would not. Its that small a difference IN THIS CASE. Such a small increment in alcohol level does not make a difference in reaction time/ driving skill.
I’m not trying to justify this kid’s actions. He did wrong. But on the other hand you have to realize he got busted because of a subjective cut-off point.
As for what you do with your kids is your choice. If the expense of helping them far outweigh the punishment they recieve, than it would be a great time for them to learn responsibility.
But I do have one question for you. If your kids were .02 above the limit and were faced with the death penalty as punishment, would you tell them to man up?
My point about the death penalty is just to say we have to re-evaluate if this punishment fits the crime. You probably cant tell from my post but I always think that punishments are too soft. But when it comes to a .02 difference I think the courts should give a 2 strike rule. Not everyone is gonna be a repeat offender.
To share a quick story with you. When I was 8 yrs old I ‘tried’ to steal a pack of gum from the corner store. I got busted by the clerk. I guess I wasnt a very good thief because it was my first time trying. Either way he threatened to tell my father [who was a cop at the time]. That experience scared the living hell out of me! Never again did I try to steal something in my life. To be quite honest I’ve never even BORROWED anything since. Anyways you get my point.
There are many ways to learn a lesson.
Yea doogie that sounds like a great plan. It just doesn’t seem to hold up when tested. I’ve heard a parent say this before and when a child actually got in trouble they ran right down to the jail to bail them out. Its easy to talk tough when someone else is in that situation. Althought, doogie may be the ultimate hardass parent.
To Porchdawg, i’ve heard lots of people swear off drinking-never happens.
But anyway, you have the deck stacked against you 1. at or above the legal limit 2. you are underage, in IA if you are <21 you only are allowed .02 BAC I don’t know about PA.
Get yourself a good lawyer. Considering the evidence against you it is unlikely for you to get off. However, having someone who is intimately familiar with PA law could get your fines/punishment greatly reduced. Don’t listen to that “be a man” crap. If I was convicted of a serious felony I’d have my lawyer busting his ass trying to get my sentence reduced from 30-40yrs down to 10-20. Every other “man” here would be doing the same.
Moral: Don’t Drive after drinking.
Hey, Pat. You sound like a Democrat. How about those Democrats!?! Instead of facing up to the crime, we should get a “layer!” You don’t need to obey the law. You just need to express your concerns with EMOTION! You don’t even need to know how to spell correctly.
Listen up. I have NEVER had a drink and driven. I guess that makes me perfect. If it does, I can live with perfection. People who drink and drive should be punished severely. Too many innocents are injured or killed be people who should know better. Here’s to harsh punishment.
People in this country will treat DUI and DWI with respect when punishments are handed down correctly. In France you lose you license FOREVER if you have a DWI. No plea bargins, no lawyers, no bullshit. If you are over the limit you pay the price. If judges actually handed down punishments that fit the seriousness of the crime perhaps people would be more aware of the consequences of their actions. Here in the ‘Good ol USofA’ we blame everyone else for what we do. Look at Pat’s advice - find a legal loop hole and jump through, you’ll come out smelling like roses. Someday, the legal system in this country will decide to tell the lawyers to fuck off, and hand down sentences that are apppropriate. I am not saying jail time for a first time offense, but a few months of taking a bus just may make an impression on some people.
Dawg - I'm still sorry this happened to you and I hope it all straightens out.
Pedestrian lawyers give the absolute worst advice. Usually it is because of a 50/50 mix of ignorance and attitude problems.
Pat, what state do you live in? Your interpretation of the law sure sounds hinky to me. If DUI laws in your state are in fact as you describe them, then they are unenforceable. They wouldn't stand.
I don't think anyone is beating up on our younger brother here. He screwed up and he knows it. You, on the other hand, jumped in with advice on how to screw the system right away. You're the one people in this thread are going after.
And stop with the "Holier than Thou" crap. Go find a few victim's families who have lost a father, mother, daughter or son to a drunk driver. Talk to them, and try to get a sense of their loss. THEN come back here and try to suggest that somone try to "get out of" a DUI.
Incidentally, I don't drive drunk, and I don't let my friends either. I've almost come to blows with my best friend for taking his keys away. He thanked me the next day.
Dr. Mindbender–I fail to see the difference in intent between firing into a crowd and
DUI. Dawg just used a bigger bullet. How many people do you think Dawg passed on
the road that night? Any of them could have died. It just takes a split second. You look
down to change the radio station, don’t look up in time. Bang. If he had hit someone
you love, would you be able to say, “Well, he learned his lesson. He didn’t mean to do
this.” No way. And you ask that if my kids were .02 above the limit and were faced
with the death penalty as punishment, would I tell them to man up. Well, if they knew
the consequences of their actions before hand and chose to do wrong, they made the
choice. I love my kids way too much to tell them to do right, but if you decide to do
wrong mommy and daddy will bail you out. I want my kids to grow up to be adults.
Christ, this country is full of punks and mommy’s boys who have never grown up because
they’ve been bailed out of every thing they’ve done wrong their entire lives. These are the
kids who get into trouble at school and their parents always think it is the school’s fault.
These are the fucking frat boys who date rape girls, but their parents hire them a lawyer
because the girl had to have been asking for it. I know I’m rambling, but this shit pisses
me off to no end. I’ll be damned if I’ll raise on of those punks. And to Cyman who
wrote, “Yea doogie that sounds like a great plan. It just doesn’t seem to hold up when
tested. I’ve heard a parent say this before and when a child actually got in trouble they ran
right down to the jail to bail them out. Its easy to talk tough when someone else is in that
situation. Althought, doogie may be the ultimate hardass parent.” I think that by the time
my kids are 18 they would know they would be WAY BETTER OFF staying in their cell
doing their time than calling me (and I’m a softy compared to my wife).