just put veg in a shake and chug it
How the hell could you say that, you are right , you will get grilled(at least by any proper nuritionist). you obviously know nothing about nutrition, If you serously belive you dont need vegtables. IT CANNOT BE OVEREMPHASISED HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO TAKE 5-10 PORTIONS OF FRUIT AND VEG A DAY
Arnie may not like his veg but you should’nt listen to Arnie (If it really is his real diet or one written for him by supplement companies) for your nutritional needs. There are hundreds and thousands more compounds you need from fruit and veg than ,fibre (including your zinc and magnesium that are so important for your testosterone production). The and other things you need form specific fruit and veg like beta-carotene.
Fruit and Veg may contian lignins and pythoestrogens (in varying amount’s useally not that much) which can be my only reason for thinking that bodybuilders (especially ones as rich as Arnie). All olympic athletes (including all powerlifters) will get there 5 fruit and veg a day.
[quote]theBigEnglishman wrote:
How the hell could you say that, you are right , you will get grilled(at least by any proper nuritionist). you obviously know nothing about nutrition, If you serously belive you dont need vegtables. IT CANNOT BE OVEREMPHASISED HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO TAKE 5-10 PORTIONS OF FRUIT AND VEG A DAY
Arnie may not like his veg but you should’nt listen to Arnie (If it really is his real diet or one written for him by supplement companies) for your nutritional needs. There are hundreds and thousands more compounds you need from fruit and veg than ,fibre (including your zinc and magnesium that are so important for your testosterone production). The and other things you need form specific fruit and veg like beta-carotene.
Fruit and Veg may contian lignins and pythoestrogens (in varying amount’s useally not that much) which can be my only reason for thinking that bodybuilders (especially ones as rich as Arnie). All olympic athletes (including all powerlifters) will get there 5 fruit and veg a day.
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Look up the word ‘essential’ in the dictionary.
eating F & V (got it all the way down to just one letter each now) is very important, in fact one of the most healthiest foodstuffs available is Brocoli.
Without eating F & V you will be less healthy than what you would be with eating them.
Are they essential? NO ‘essential’ means you will die without them
essential to humans are Oxygen, water, food (you need protein and fats, not Necessarily carbohydrates)
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
Actually, most likely we have evolved largely by eating ridiculously high amounts of fiber, coming from plants that most certainly don’t resemble the genetic engineered versions you see today. For a long time we probably acted more as intelligent scavengers, capitalizing on animals which were sick or were killed by other predators. We mostly likely weren’t the killing machines we like to fancy ourselves as.
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I suspect one evolutionary reason for mankinds proliferation is an ability to eat a huge variety of foods and to deal with the unideal. The ‘state of nature’ diet would simply have been what was available. Think eskimo’s with their predominant fish/meat/fat diet then think jungle living people with all the variety of meat, vegetables, fruits and nuts available to them.
many so called primitive people have ingeniuous ways of collecting foods and preparing them. Impressive species really!
The human digestive system is typically omnivore too, not the robust big guts of a bison nor the acidic ‘ok i will have the rancid meat’ gut of a hyena. Less specialised and more jack of all trades (foods!)
Yours was a good post, btw.
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
Actually, most likely we have evolved largely by eating ridiculously high amounts of fiber, coming from plants that most certainly don’t resemble the genetic engineered versions you see today. For a long time we probably acted more as intelligent scavengers, capitalizing on animals which were sick or were killed by other predators. We mostly likely weren’t the killing machines we like to fancy ourselves as.
There were likely periods of lean times which plants predominated the diet - plants which were much more bitter, high in fiber, and harder to chew, than those which we eat today, with fiber content ranging in the hundreds. These lean times were probably peppered with protein and fat gorgings when possible, but hunting is a hard endeavor.
Horrible, horrible hijack. Sorry.
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not really disagreeing or agreeing, but just a few things. Mauro dipasquale write in the anbolic diet that man most likely evolved eating the internal organs, muscle etc with small amounts of veggies “peppered” in when meat sources were scarce.
I have also heard arguemnts on the other side of the fence. Ive heard that the appendix was actually used in our ancestors to break down the cellulose from the large amounts of greens they consumed.
Again on the other side ive the inuits from up north survive on a diet of whale blubber and meat and have one of the lowest rates of heart disease and cancer.
Again on the other side of the fence, there are tribes in africa that survive almost exclusivly off the vegitation and crops around there area, with diets of upwards of 80% carbs.
And for the last time on the other side of the fence ive read about the roman legions and the diet there troops used, which was similar to the anabolic diet. Periods of almost all fat and meat for a certain period of time, then little to no fat and meat and all carbs.
the only thing i KNOW for sure is that man didnt evolve eating anything out of a box, anything refined, and anything with transfat.
Overall i believe the human is a highly adaptative, fascinating animal.
again not agreeing or disagreeing just some food for thought
[quote]gswork wrote:
NewDamage wrote:
Actually, most likely we have evolved largely by eating ridiculously high amounts of fiber, coming from plants that most certainly don’t resemble the genetic engineered versions you see today. For a long time we probably acted more as intelligent scavengers, capitalizing on animals which were sick or were killed by other predators. We mostly likely weren’t the killing machines we like to fancy ourselves as.
I suspect one evolutionary reason for mankinds proliferation is an ability to eat a huge variety of foods and to deal with the unideal. The ‘state of nature’ diet would simply have been what was available. Think eskimo’s with their predominant fish/meat/fat diet then think jungle living people with all the variety of meat, vegetables, fruits and nuts available to them.
many so called primitive people have ingeniuous ways of collecting foods and preparing them. Impressive species really!
The human digestive system is typically omnivore too, not the robust big guts of a bison nor the acidic ‘ok i will have the rancid meat’ gut of a hyena. Less specialised and more jack of all trades (foods!)
Yours was a good post, btw.[/quote]
i wrote my post after but i think ours share alot of the same points, i agree
Curodd and gswork,
Excellent points, and I agree.