Are all Lives Equal?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Everyone born is equal. It’s ones behavior and acts that makes them less. [/quote]

In order to be equal they must have a quantifiable value unless they’re all equally valueless. A value for real or personal property can be determined via its relation to the market. When someone is captured as a slave they become a commodity with a quantifiable value determined by the market. I would say that because I believe all men have natural rights I’m against slavery and therefore would not presume to calculate what another person’s value might be were I to capture and sell them.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
all human lives are equal [/quote]

If you were on a sinking ship, and there were only three life jackets and four people. You, your wife, and your two children. What would you do?

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[quote]lou21 wrote:
Do the people posting on this forum consider that the lives of people have equal value whoever they are? (Discounting murders and rapists.)[/quote]
Of course not. That’s simply scientifically false. You used the word “value” which means it’s a numbers game. Statistically speaking, rich people will be more valuable, less violent people, people with a better moral compass, etc etc. The list is pretty obvious. These people will create more jobs, create more scientific and societal advancement, and so forth.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
all human lives are equal [/quote]

What about human fetuses?[/quote]

They are not people , they are fetuses :slight_smile:

I guess , I have to ask , Can I spank my monster , tomorrow :)?

Hundreds of thousands human lives :frowning:

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IMO, in the grand scheme of things when, humanity has become extinct and new lifeforms are roving the Earth over our fossilized skeletons, all human life is equally meaningless.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:
Do the people posting on this forum consider that the lives of people have equal value whoever they are? (Discounting murders and rapists.)[/quote]
Statistically speaking, rich people will be […] people with a better moral compass[/quote]

Is this true? Benevolent, honest wealthy people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Dale Carnegie etc have always struck me as the exception in a world of rampant corporate corruption

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It’s everyones own decision what they think and how they act. There are no external forces in play, only other human beings. In other words, God gave us free will and this is one of the questions where we can use it. In practice the answer is defined in our laws.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
all human lives are equal [/quote]

What about human fetuses?[/quote]

They are not people , they are fetuses :slight_smile:

I guess , I have to ask , Can I spank my monster , tomorrow :)?

Hundreds of thousands human lives :frowning:
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Actually by definition a fetus is a stage of life so it must be a “human life” regardless of your political views. What you are talking about is person hood which there is some controversy on rights.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
all human lives are equal [/quote]

If you were on a sinking ship, and there were only three life jackets and four people. You, your wife, and your two children. What would you do?

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I would put the children in 1 jacket , back to back , I would take one and my wife the other

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
all human lives are equal [/quote]

What about human fetuses?[/quote]

They are not people , they are fetuses :slight_smile:

I guess , I have to ask , Can I spank my monster , tomorrow :)?

Hundreds of thousands human lives :frowning:
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Actually by definition a fetus is a stage of life so it must be a “human life” regardless of your political views. What you are talking about is person hood which there is some controversy on rights.
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Thanks for fixing that for me , I forget that I am @PWI some times and that I am not dealing with normal people .

Here you must speak everything right the 1rst time , thanks :slight_smile:

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
all human lives are equal [/quote]

If you were on a sinking ship, and there were only three life jackets and four people. You, your wife, and your two children. What would you do?

[/quote]

I would put the children in 1 jacket , back to back , I would take one and my wife the other
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Good idea.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
all human lives are equal [/quote]

What about human fetuses?[/quote]

They are not people , they are fetuses :slight_smile:

I guess , I have to ask , Can I spank my monster , tomorrow :)?

Hundreds of thousands human lives :frowning:
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Here’s pitt, making up “science” as he goes, like he always does.

As to the thread in general: Idealistically all people are created equal under the law. We certainly aren’t created equal in ability, not even close. Some will be good at some things, other good at other things, and that is good. Society will by and large, through a relatively “free market of ideas and perceptions” place a value on these “talents” and reward individuals appropriately.

Realistically: it depends on perspective, and this has been mentioned. If we look at things from the collective, all human life is worthless, and we (the global community) prove this every day. Abortion, killing, raping, war, torture, abuse, etc etc etc. It is only once we get to the individual level and individual relationships does anyone put any value on one another. So big picture, because we find anyone worthless, we are all worthless on a big enough scale.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
all human lives are equal [/quote]

What about human fetuses?[/quote]

They are not people , they are fetuses :slight_smile:

I guess , I have to ask , Can I spank my monster , tomorrow :)?

Hundreds of thousands human lives :frowning:
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Here’s pitt, making up “science” as he goes, like he always does.

As to the thread in general: Idealistically all people are created equal under the law. We certainly aren’t created equal in ability, not even close. Some will be good at some things, other good at other things, and that is good. Society will by and large, through a relatively “free market of ideas and perceptions” place a value on these “talents” and reward individuals appropriately.

Realistically: it depends on perspective, and this has been mentioned. If we look at things from the collective, all human life is worthless, and we (the global community) prove this every day. Abortion, killing, raping, war, torture, abuse, etc etc etc. It is only once we get to the individual level and individual relationships does anyone put any value on one another. So big picture, because we find anyone worthless, we are all worthless on a big enough scale.
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while I totally agree with your second paragraph , I think you are misssing the crux of the question

To put it more precisely

Is it worse that Palestine kills a hundred Israeli Children ?

or

Is it worse that Israel kills a hundred Palestinian Children ?

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[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:
Do the people posting on this forum consider that the lives of people have equal value whoever they are? (Discounting murders and rapists.)[/quote]
Statistically speaking, rich people will be […] people with a better moral compass[/quote]

Is this true? Benevolent, honest wealthy people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Dale Carnegie etc have always struck me as the exception in a world of rampant corporate corruption
[/quote]
Well I’m not adding the qualifiers rich and ethical together. Rich people and also ethical people will both be more beneficial on the whole. The rich people may be ethical or not. The ethical people may be rich or not. I’m not correlating either of those.

I would still argue that, even the rich people deep into corporate corruption still provide society with a hell of a lot. I mean even if they’re evil jackasses they’re still probably responsible for creating like tens of thousands of jobs which all provide possibly much more ethical people with the disposable income they need to spread goodness and whatnot.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think you are misssing the crux of the question[/quote]

No. Not at all.

You support abortion, so using children in your little appeal to emotion loaded question is hilarious.

Worse than what?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think you are misssing the crux of the question[/quote]

No. Not at all.

You support abortion, so using children in your little appeal to emotion loaded question is hilarious.

Worse than what?

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I contend you support abortion , so using the right to life is hypocrisy when you can’t admit Israel is wrong for systematically killing any innocent people.

Especially killing more innocent than suspected guilty

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think you are misssing the crux of the question[/quote]

No. Not at all.

You support abortion, so using children in your little appeal to emotion loaded question is hilarious.

Worse than what?

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Hmmmmm…indeed. A supporter of mass murder at home deplores a slightly different form and on a much smaller scale abroad…hmmmmmm.

SM’s trivium maxim rings its bell again:

  1. Grammar
  2. Logic
  3. Rhetoric

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A supporter of mass murder abroad objects to removing unwanted cells

the school of common sense

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I contend you support abortion
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Put the pipe down.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think you are misssing the crux of the question[/quote]

No. Not at all.

You support abortion, so using children in your little appeal to emotion loaded question is hilarious.

Worse than what?

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I contend you support abortion , so using the right to life is hypocrisy when you can’t admit Israel is wrong for systematically killing any innocent people.

Especially killing more innocent than suspected guilty
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Here in lies the rub. You believe Israel is purposefully “systematically” as you said, killing children. I don’t believe that is the case. I believe that said children are essentially a victim of their own elected government’s policy of launching rockets, digging tunnels under, and hiding munitions in crowded civilian areas, blurring the lines between civilian and combatant. It is the Palestinian government, which is what Hamas is, who is at fault for the deaths of the children, not Israel.

It is also the same terrorist activity from the Palestinian’s elected government that led to the blockade to begin with in. In short, Palestine’s people are solely to blame for the situation they currently find themselves in, but it furthers their agenda if they can turn the world on Israel. And as squathench said, if Hamas gets control of Israel, the genocide of the Jews their isn’t that big a deal anyway because their are Jews other all over the world. Unlike Arab Islamic Extremeists.